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Just watching the news about the bin wagon that has lost control and crashed in Glasgow. What a terrible shame that people have lost their lives whilst out shopping at Christmas. Sounds like the driver has had some sort of medical problem at the wheel, terrible tragedy again for Glasgow again after the New Year helicopter crash. Thoughts go to the families of victims.

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I'm watching Sky go news now and the reporter at the scene of the lorry crash says they have no idea why the crash happened, no mention of medical problems.

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There was on BBC News at 6-00, they said driver was slumped oer wheel as it ran down street, and could be medical reasons.

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Sadness for the families of those killed.
Christmas will never be the same again for them.
My thoughts are with them.

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It's terrible to lose a family member or close friend in any circumstances but losing them like this with Xmas round the corner must be devastating.My thoughts and prayers go out to all those effected by this sad incident.

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One family have lost 3 members. I cannot imagine what they must be going through. I hope all the families involved have much needed support from other family members and friends. Certainly should make the rest of us feel very fortunate to have our family around us this Christmas.

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Tragic, Glasgow has had 2 Christmases on the run now, :eek:

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I see a 19 year old oik has been arrested for posting an offensive tweet regarding the Glasgow bin lorry tragedy.
There was a similar occurence after the helicopter crash last year.
Lock em' up and throw away the key. Smug arrogant gits eh?

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Its a good job the internet wasnt around when challenger exploded i along with thousands of others would have been arrested for the jokes we shared

i havnt read the remark the person has written but im pretty sure he or she has made themselves out to be enough of a pillock and police involvment isnt justified unless of course hurt feelings are top of the crimes to beat list

theres always a sick joke that goes along with a tradgedy so im guessing these arnt allowed anymore ?

to be clear im not justifying the persons actions or agreeing with any remark made i just think its pathetic the police getting involved over somones sick remark.Unless of course he or she made threats to kill etc

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That's how we used to deal with mental illness, not sure how effective it was.

And I do think that it's a form of mental illness - the inability to see that something is going to massively offend a large number of people or seriously upset an individual or small group who are still grieving.

I've not seen the post either, but for the police to get involved it must have been something targeted and inciteful or deliberately hurtful. "Comedians" like Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr seem to get away with it in front of an arena crowd, so in their case it must be the audience who have the mental issues. The former made jokes about Katie Price and her disabled child, the latter about Reeva Steenkamp within days of Pistorius' conviction.

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I thought it was just me who thought such 'humour' was offensive.

I know that 'black humour' is a coping mechanism for those who have been through traumatic experiences....but only those in that situation are really entitled to use it.....anyone who employs it to fill up their bank balance is crass.(and that is the polite word for it)

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last i knew it wasnt illigal to offend someone

cracks me up how people get so upset over people they never knew or will most likely never know yet have most likely laughed at a sick joke themselves or even told one

it seems to be fashionable in this country to jump on the offended binwaggon oops bandwaggon and express outrage at an action most have probabbly done themselves at some point.

most people spend hours been offended before they actually know what they are been offended by

iv offended people in the past infact i have no doubt i have but i have also been offended in the past and i can say that it never made me feel like diaing 999

like STUDIO says the only way police would or shoudl get involved is if there was direct threats to people made or specific action was said to be taken.Otherwise there shouldnt have been any police involvment if it was only a matter of something been in bad taste

the internet is full of idiots our prisons cant cope with real criminals yet alone the millions of idiots with keyboards

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When you think about it, most humor is "offensive". That doesn't mean it isn't funny. I don't believe we have much control over what we find "funny". I wonder how many people choke down a laugh in order that they don't be seen to be politically incorrect.

Here's my only original joke: Buddy of mine was in my kitchen, helping himself to one of my precious Bomber beers. He called out, "Hey, you got fruit flies in here." I replied: "Yeah, they came out of my closet." Did I offend the GLTGs:eek: Nah. Just a brain fart. Don't make me a homophobe.

Sad, though, what happened. Not easy to lose loved ones at any time. But, at Christmas ... that makes it worse.

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:hidewall:No.....it isn't illegal to offend......just bad taste.
I do know what offends me... and where possible I avoid the stuff.....because I know it offends me.

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The stuff I find offensive, i don't find funny Eric. In fact much of what passes for comedy these days is as funny as toothache.

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Well even on here you get a ban or at a minimum an infraction for offending people.

Right or wrong?

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if we only had knock knock jokes humour would be over by the time we were 5

an ex of mine had epilepsy and i made a remark in the beer garden that her giving oral sex was like playing russain roulete with your winky.The person with epilepsy wasnt offended and spat her drink out laughing while someone who happened to know a woman with epilepsy got extreemly offended on the non present persons behalf

it didnt help matters when i asked for the persons number so i could avoid putting my winky in un nessecary danger either but once you have 1 foot in a hole you may as well jump in with both.

roy chubby brown concerts have warnings in teh adverts not to atttend if easily offended yet people still go then call for him to be banned

i think some folk want to be offended and are addicted to been offended

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I can see why she is your "ex" accyman

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Well, I think that comments about people being addicted to being offended are a bit like those who shut down discussion by citing racism, homophobia and the like.
I would never go to a Chubby Brown show because I know that his humour is not something I like.
I avoid the stuff that I don't like...or the stuff I find offensive.

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It's what they said he was guilty off, he was arrested on suspicion of making a malicious communication. The Malicious Communications Act 1998 appears to be a poor piece of legislation using not how it was intended, have a read here Malicious Communications Act 1988 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It basically means anything you write online could be used against you by the Police, be it Twitter, Facebook or on here

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Hi-yes this aspect is a bit Orwellian isn't it. There's no real sign that anyone is being more careful with their comments under the threat of police action but it's a warning about surveillance I suppose:rolleyes: It's also an easy arrest for the authorities. There's an interesting book from the seventies written by a Manchester University chap "The Police We Deserve".

Margaret P seems to get the balance right [p11*] It's all about taste. Tragedy does lead to jokes to cope [as with the jewish experience] but that's different to nasty anonymous inadequate text vandals. We should be able to put them down with humour but they would need to be grown up enough to understand it. I think time is another factor but modern society has one off reminder events that declare the subject "holy" all over again eg the enormous fuss re the Titanic-other ships have gone down! I was on a forum at that time where moderators decided that all posts about the event would be deleted "out of respect"-where does that end! Not only was there no discussion about the decision, it wasn't announced-confusion all round:(
[I'm sure it's better here].

Orwell thought we would all be under constant watch via our TV sets and only the elite would have private lives. A lot of that is now true and I like to see the look on peoples faces when you remind them that CCTV cameras aren't as significant as mobile phones tracking their every move volountarily!

I watched the live feed of the two minutes silence from Glasgow yesterday.
Impressive but some aspects? I'll leave it there out of respect and [hopefully] in good taste.
Dave W

"In The Future When All's Well" Morrissey

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Sometimes we inadvertently offend others.
This is because the internet is a very difficult medium to get nuances across on....something that is said in text can offend the reader as there are no facial expressions or body language(which we take far more notice of than we realise).
I am sure that over the years I have offended some people.......we all have different views on what is and isn't offensive.
I have never ever set out to offend someone on purpose...and that is the difference. I have never been banned for expressing an opinion...maybe that is because I have tried to moderate how I have expressed the opinion.

The people who make nasty comments in the name of humour are doing it with a purpose....that purpose is to make money out of what is a tragic situation for those who have lost someone.

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Somewhere along the line I must have missed something. Where did this one come from.:confused:

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Eric, I was referring to the comedians who use bad taste jokes in their shows......but I think this gives those internet trolls the signal that these comments are acceptable.

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Yup ... they are called "muslims.";)

By the way, "winky" is not a good choice of euphemism. "Wee Willie Winkie runs through the town ..... ":D

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Surveillance is only one aspect of governmental attempts to control discourse, or, at least, channel free speech into acceptable directions. There are other, unofficial, bodies who also try to enforce control. Fox "News" comes to mind. As Goebbels was well aware, and, of course, Orwell in "1984" and "Animal Farm", who controls discourse controls the people. Political Correctness is the new Ministry of Truth.;)

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Let me check my infraction warnings.......Seems your right :D

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The Government doesn't need to do it in UK - the BBC manage quite well on their own.

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It's a pity that most folks are convinced that what they see on any news channel is "news", the "facts."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4LPkmGO5Cc

It isn't. It's a series of editorials. Check out Fox "News" for their reporting on possible Presidential candidate, Elizabeth Warren.:rolleyes: Even the sports. Read a report on a game you watched ... and I know you and I have been watching football for over half a century ... and you scratch your head, and wonder: "Was I watching the same bloody game?":confused:

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I see serial twitter abuser Katie Hopkins is at it again with a dig on Twitter at the poor scottish health worker who unfortunately has contracted Ebola. :mad:

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Here is the story Katie Hopkins' vile reaction to Ebola in Glasgow: ?Little sweaty jocks, sending us Ebola? - 3am & Mirror Online

Off topic I know but the whole thread has taken a side move.
Why on earth are people who have been working with ebola victims let back into the country without spending a period of time in quarantine. We really are a stupid country at times

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well we let everything else in neil why not ebola

ebola probabbly has more human rights than us and will be put up in luxury hotels and given benefits

and then when it kills us off it will take our jobs :D

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I cannot understand why NHS staff are going to West Africa when we are told that the NHS is in such a dire situation partly because of a shortage of nurses and doctors? Quite agree that all travellers should be in quarantine for the duration of the incubation period.

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I'm not sure the thread is going that OT as it's themes seem to be due respect re loss of life, not going so far with this that basic freedoms are undermined and citizens being manipulated so that anyone with a different view is "off message" and can be silenced. It's a difficult balancing act but not so hard that we all have to toe the line as happens with Facist societies.

These are not one point issues eg I would defend the BBC in most arenas but a lot of "News" coverage is clearly infantalised [usually neutered as well with a good dose of cheery irrelevant football news so we don't get too anxious about anything]. The Glasgow Tragedy/Ebola and the CSA Enquiry ongoing strange saga can all be linked in that sense.

As an example Dame Butler S appeared to be completely outrageous in her lunchtime apparently unsolicited [otherwise why was she interviewed?] views on Radio 4 at 1-15 today. The victims group was completely outraged-justifiably so in my opinion. Now [on PM 5-15] there is a much longer statement which is the same but somehow different in emphasis:rolleyes:
Dave W

"Look out kid-they keep it all hid" Mr Bob 1965

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Bit alarmist that accyman !!

A nation the majority of whom can't be bothered to wash their hands properly after going the toilet will never learn even if ebola lived next door until it's too late.

For the record: Ebola virus is easily killed by soap, bleach, sunlight, and high temperatures or drying. Machine-washing clothes that have been contaminated with fluids will destroy Ebola virus. Ebola virus survives only a short time on surfaces that are in the sun or have dried.

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i reakon if you played bob geldofs ebola song loud enough it would kill the virus

sadly it would probabbly kill the patient as well

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The whole Ebola thing is a crock of media horse manure ... it has a catchy name like West Nile Virus ... "Oooo, West Nile Virus" say folks who have no damned idea what the Nile is, or where it is, and couldn't find "west" even if the sun set there every day ... come to think of it, it does.:eek: Hundreds are dying from Ebola ... somehow this seems more "tragic" (one of the most overused words in the media vocabulary:rolleyes:) than the tens of thousands who starve to death on that unfortunate continent, or are massacred by whatever group of goons can get together enough AKs and machetes. We can conveniently forget about those things and concentrate on the new, designer issue, "Ebola". Ah well, as soon as the fad wears thin, the victims of Ebola can die ignored, along with the starving, the child soldiers, and thousands of women who are brutally raped and murdered. This rant is getting a little too serious; time for a humorous interlude:

BBC News - US woman accidentally shot dead by son, two, in Idaho Wal-Mart

(Those of you who don't find humor in this, feel free to express yourselves in conventional clichees of outrage.)

I particularly like the comment about videos and witnesses confirming that this was an "accident." Lucky for the two-year-old, eh. In Texas, there would be calls for his arrest, conviction, and execution. In Oklahoma, he would have been lynched.

What the hell was she doing with a loaded handgun in her purse ... obviously with a round chambered and safety off. Maybe there was a sale on; and she was determined to get the good deals at gunpoint.:rolleyes:

Ah well, it turns out that there was no real problem. She had a valid CCW permit and the weight of the Second Amendment backing her up ... not to mention the NRA.

Enough of this ... I think I'll pour myself a stiff one and watch the latest episode of "Hillbilly Handfishing", a stunning tv tour de force straight from that part of the States where the most popular Hallmark greeting card is "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" and folks think "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms" is a local convenience store.

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I seem to remember there has always been Ebola outbrakes in that particular area reported on the news. Its nothing new so why the big çommotion now? Scare techniques to bury other stuff that's going on right now? I think were all expected to be terrified at the moment for whatever reason. Bullocks to that, live life to the full and stick two fingers up to the establishment or whoever pulls the strings. Life's too short!

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It's easily explained....Ebola makes no distinction on whether you are rich or poor.....nobody with money is ever going to starve to death and they are unlikely to end up on the wrong end of a machete in some backwater hovel

Then again maybe thats just me being my usual cynical self

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Not quite true there ... the rich, and that means us too, as citizens of rich countries, always have a much better chance of surviving natural disasters ... and if Ebola ain't "natural" I'll eat my shorts.

Imagine the headline: "Floods in Bangladesh: Thousands Dead and Missing." And in the catastrophic floods in Calgary and surrounding area: Four. We are equipped to deal with shiiite. Because we have the bucks to buy the equipment.

There have been no recorded cases of Ebola in Canada. But in all regions there are world class designated medical facilities ... Kingston General is one, by the way ....all geared up to treat cases of Ebola that will never appear. So, I guess if I get Ebola, I won't end up sleeping on a floormat in some fly infested backwater hovel.:alright:;)

And the rich always have the option of leaving.

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You're probably right, if we have 4 people dying in a flood we have hours and hours of 'in depth' reporting with experts blaming polar ice caps, weather isotherms and not enough people turning on their taps to fill the kettle during the commercial break in Coronation Street.

Oh and I'll see your Hillbilly Handfishing and raise you our The Only Way Is Essex (commonly known as TOWIE), the English home grown tv tour de force where our young southern inbreds have taken to anal bleaching to hide the brown star..your shout..raise or fold? :hehetable

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Call. And raise you a "Little Mosque on the Prairies.":D

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All in with Citizen Khan :D

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Just gotta see that. All I have is "Pawnagraphy.";)

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people starving wont kill us or put us in danger but the second something happens that may come and bite us on our arses happens its a big problem ;)

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Pauline Cafferkey was in Sierra Leone as a volunteer on 5 week placement for Save the Children Barrie.

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And her UK job is??????

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Further to Westendlass [post38*] but from a different perspective, a female journalist did a radio 4 program in 1992 which won a Sony award the year after. She was arrested because she had been in an Ebola area and was a seen as a major threat to the community where she had now gone. I have always remembered the fear in her voice-live recording-for a while she thought she might be ill and would die or be killed anyway! You may be forgiven for thinking that this archive material would have appeared by now!

Re the unfortunate lady flown from Glasgow to London in the manner of a Sci-Fi film. Well the Aid agencies seemed very concerned that this might discourage further volounteers. They have been alarmed by the 2014 outbreak not being rural, as in the past, but now in more populated areas. The UK population is 70 million people largely in close proximity on a small island. We are told it's impossible to screen that well and that transmission is only by bodily fluids anyway. Does that mean sharing a toilet or sitting next to a sweating person on a plane, train or bus is ok?

I'm not interested in blaming individuals and it's easy to criticise if you are not not the one volunteering to help others but I would want to put myself in a voluntary 21 day quarantine rather than risk my family or community's well being and then have to live [or not live] with the consequences for the rest of my life.

The other puzzle is-why would a dedicated health professional who is probaly much more knowledgeable and experienced than those examining her and who feels very unwell meekly take the advice to travel on public transport?:eek: They were told isolate yourself WHEN YOU GET THERE?
Is it a consequence of the facist tendency discussed earlier in this thread to do as you are told [even when you know it's wrong] which is a feature of that political system?
Dave W

The other question

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Rhetorical question eh Barrie?
I'll apply my New Years Resolution right now.