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The two swans that have been on the canal at clayton have been killed today, shot by some mindless scum, people are going rightly mad about it on facebook, but if caught it will make very little difference imho, there is NO real deterrent if they are, the do-gooders have seen to that. makes me want to puke.

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That makes me very very sad.
I do not get why anyone would want to harm these majestic birds.

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What a truly senseless thing to do! Is there any indication as to who/what is responsible for the situation?

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Only indication i have is someone said they had there pellet gun stolen the other week, and was told 2 lads about 15 yrs old were spotted on the canal bank with a pellet gun plus another gun, so if thats the case? then if caught they will get next to sod all and not even be named.:mad:

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The Country has definitely taken a downward turn, I do sometimes wonder as to how things became so twisted & where have we gone wrong. Admittedly I do have my views & opinions, same as many folk do, but it seems no one is listening.

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To me its taken a downward turn long ago, teachers are prevented from discipline now, respect went out the window, and no-one can enforce it any more. thats my honest view.

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I wonder if these boys have ever had pets...or do they think that it is like a video game...you shoot, you kill, but they get up and have another life.
I wish them Karma.

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I wont say what i wish em will probably get banned if i do.;)

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What part of the cut in Clayton Cashy.

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We should teach them some useful trades - ship them off the places like Rockall and St Kilda with a load of timber, and other materials, basic tools and let them build their own accommodation thereby learning something useful and then leave them there for the foreseeable future

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Near chequers mate.they been yon fer years.

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dave, sod all will be done if there is. similar thing less than 100 yards from my house when one of the 2 herons we have was shot by a couple of scroates. was filmed by someone and sent to the police. guess what, your are right sod all. good thing is another heron has mated up with the one that got away so there is a pair about again.

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You can usually find swans and geese anywhere between Burnley road/Altham canal bridge and express gifts in Accrington

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With All the burglaries happening in Accrington and Clayton and my increasing anxiety I've gone for contents insurance lately.

Now have to worry also about pets being safe too. With this morons wandering the streets

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If a similar situation were to occur again it would probably be more effective to send the film to the RSPCA. When they were to take it to the police they would take it directly to the 'wildlife team' (or whatever your force calls them) that most forces now have. Much more chance of getting attention there than being lost in a list of drunks, shoplifting, road accidents etc.

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There are strong laws that make it illegal to use an air gun on the canal but the police will still do nothing

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Does this not make it a weak law.

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This is simply deplorable, mindless cruelty, and if any perpetrators are found I hope they're suitably punished.
It can take hours or even days for these beautiful birds to die after a airgun shot.
Personally, I'd like to see karma bite the offenders on the backside (perhaps a firm clip around the lughole from a passerby or shot in the backside by the air gun but obviously that’s frowned upon).

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Only as weak as all the rest.

Tell the police that you think they are shooting at people and they will soon be up there, maybe even armed themselves - that will soon make the scrotes think twice about going around with an airgun in public again.

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Well yeh got more faith in plod than i have.

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The Plod should be hammering these creatures, firing & using an air rifle in public is quite simply illegal

Using an Air Rifle

Air Rifles may be used only on land where the user has full permission to shoot.
It is illegal:

• To shoot on any land, including common land, river banks, public land, recreation and land covered by water, i.e. lakes and rivers where you do not have full permission from the land owner or tenant.
• To fire an Air Rifle closer than 50 feet (15 metres) from the centre of a public highway, or footpath.
• To fire an Air Rifle pellet beyond the land to which you have permission to shoot
• For a person in possession of an Air Rifle to fail to take reasonable precautions to prevent someone under the age of 18 from gaining unauthorised access to it

It is legal:

• For anyone above the age of 14 to shoot an Air Rifle on private land where full permission to shoot has been given.
• For those below the age of 14 to shoot an Air Rifle on private land, but only if closely supervised by a responsible person over 21 years of age. The supervising adult is legally responsible for the actions of the junior shooter.

These are the laws & they are blatantly being flaunted.

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do not really think they are interested dave. tell em you know someone who is driving their car without tax they will be round like a shot. well anyway they are in keighley and that is a fact.

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Was the pun intended

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no but i,ll say it was.

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No, it means the Police are often poor at dealing with airgun issues.

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They are very poor at dealing with many issues these days.I know instances of someone being burgled and was 1 week and numerous calls before she got any attention.

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I thought it was just the male swan that had died (according to the Lancashire Telegraph), it's still deplorable whatever, the problem is if they were under the age of 16 they know there's b***er all anyone can do about it, an adult who tries to discipline them is likely to ended up being arrested and they know this.....

I photographed these swans earlier this year, I just don't understand the mentality of scumbags who would do this just for fun....

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Its mate was shot in the neck and died at the vets,i was told.:(

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Which makes it a weak law.

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As are a great many low level laws, because the police have no longer got the resources to deal with them.

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Agree about lack of resources, but dont regard "Burglary" as low level?

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If the items stolen are worth less than £200 then the police will.

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One classic, in my opinion, was the introduction of 20 mph zones and the cost of all the signs - hundreds of thousands of £s ??????

How many have been prosecuted for speeding in them? They can't even catch the ones that exceed the 30 mph limits or the red light jumpers. Why introduce laws that cannot be policed?

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They very rarely catch anyone using a mobile whilst driving, a serious danger to life, yet i see loads on a daily basis.:mad:

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seem mainly interested in having a blitz on mobile users on motorways. use em whilst driving round town you probably get away with it as there is no one to spot you.

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LCC will not combat red light jumping in fact Lancashire County Council fully back and support red light jumpers and activly encourage it

they have switched off all red light jumping cameras in lancashire in order to protect red light jumpers from smashing in to each other when the red light jumper slams on when seeing a flash making the second red light jumper collide in to the back of him

Lancashire County Council do not support the blind person crossing when told to do so by the button placed underneath the WAIT box and most certainly do not support the person going obeying the law and going through green who may well be injured or even killed by the people they protect who jump red lights

If Lancashire County Council had even the most remote intention of combating red light jumping each and every set of lights they have installed in the past 10 years would have had them fitted from the day of installation

instead they turned them all off across the county

LCC however will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you slightly wander in to a bus lane

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Another similar incident yesterday near to the spot where the swans were shot, a cat was shot dead - can't be a coincidence, they need to catch them & threaten the sods at gunpoint - see how they'd like it. Mindless thugs!

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Typical scum behaviour, Also typical police seem to have done sod all.

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Red Light cameras in London - where they are at most junctions, do not flash. LCC did not appear to keep up with modern technology.

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I wonder if it is the same two scumbags who got into our car port to rob from my freezer...they have been in before and stolen ice cream and lollies...last week because the could not remove the new lock that had been used to secure the door, they tried to torch the freezer.
To be fair our local community police officer visited the day it was reported.

if these two lads had been successful in setting the freezer alight they might have f found themselves toasted as well, because it is our wood store and would have gone up like a Roman candle.

The policeman said he had a strong suspicion as to who these lads were and was going to view footage. on the Express gifts CCTV system.

Anyway the next time they come calling they will find that their entry has been bricked up...they can get their ice cream like we do...at Iceland!
A pox on them.

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Should have set up a alarm that fire's a blank shotgun cartridge, then CPO could have followed their trail home.

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This pic is from social media, I had to edit it but I think you’ll get the message.

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Hope someone grasses this piece of crap.:mad:

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Me too...and I hope they shoot his arsenal full of buckshot. Then he might know some pain.
A poor defenceless creature.
I would not need any reward to grass up this slimeball.

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And what's the betting plod will be knocking on her door warning her off! Absolutely disgusted with the way the Country has gone.

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Very sad thing what happened with the cat, swans and rabbits. Could this be a young person living in Clayton since it all seems to be happening there. Serial Killer in the making.... Jeffrey Dahmer started with animals.

Very worrying I'm a bit nervous to put milly outside.

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Best thing mate is don't, until this piece of crap is caught. imho

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Yes, Rob, I would keep her in.
The two ginger ninjas are indoor cats(but they would be outdoor cats if I didn't watch them)
But Samson goes out and is gone for hours sometimes.
I would be broken-hearted if I thought someone had callously and calculatedly killed cats.
Karma to them.

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or the supposed head of the department i got through to after 4 hours on the phone was an outright liar who after telling me on previous occasions it was all the polices responsibility got the hint that i wasnt going to be fobbed off so dreamed up an excuse because there is no logical reason to stop protecting the blind , children , pedestrians of all types plus law abiding motorists who go when lights say green from scumbags who think red does not apply to them

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here is the sad story about the rabbits.... WTF is wrong with these people

Thieves steal pet rabbits and throw them 30ft onto motorway | Metro News

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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...87260424624120 don't need facebook profile to read the story

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I wonder if they'll be found beaten black & blue floating down the cut (no sympathy if it does happen), but if the local plod don't pull their fingers out PDQ, then folks will take things upon themselves & best of British to them I say.

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It would not be legal, but it would be exactly what they deserve...and then some!

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can't do that Dave we have some strong laws against that.

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Strong Laws ? thats a joke, when this scum are still about.

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They should be tied to a cow's tail and s..t on

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plus some do gooder making all the excuses why they did it in the first place. the usual broken family and educational problems to come out for a start.

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Think this one has gone over your head Cashy. Post 16

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Well me memorys goosed, and that was posted last year.

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That is far too good for them Bea.
Sh1t washes off and does not hurt.

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Ah, but in the good old days of plod custody & walking into cell doors or falling down the stairs ...... As good enough an excuse today as it was then & Joe Public could use it too to cover a multitude of sins.

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I once recall i fell down the stairs, complete bull. the only stairs yon, led up to the dock in court. lol

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Ah well, that's cos you're a villainous felon Mr.Cashmeister! ;)

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And today while I'm off on one, that other Scum formerly known as Jon Venables, is bleating about a little scalding in the nick, maybe a little time reflecting on his past behaviour may make him realise hes getting it easy!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/92...g-water-prison

As to the Screws "Doing nothing at first!", he should be thankful they've been so infiltrated by leftist liberal pussies. Had it only been the bad old days he'd of had the Screws handing the cons buckets filled with boiling water, then ambling off for a "smoke break", only to come back to find a boiling, bloodied rendered pulp lying their screaming & squealing like a bitch!

The Worlds gone soft if you ask me!

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Its a pity they didn't end his existence imho.

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They should bring back hanging

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That gets my vote!

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Better still if the cons do the job costs nowt.;)

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££££££££££££ saved

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A thread about scum - this definitely fits into that category, the scumbag who killed the lady in Rishton on Boxing Day in the hit & run incident has been sentenced & what did he get for totally destroying a family, 8 sodding years!! An absolute disgrace!

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This and i have wiped better off the sole of my shoe, will no doubt do only 4 years then get released,

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I remember reading that because he entered an early guilty plea he'd be entitled to a reduction to his sentence - who makes these sodding rules?!
Any reduction should have been nullified by the fact that it took 4 days to find the snivelling coward after he fled the scene, I'm just absolutely flabbergasted by the injustice of this.
No amount of years in prison would help make it even the teeniest better for her family but 8 is just a massive insult to them & to Susan's memory.

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Prison doesn't work. With the best will in the world it just doesn't. So what do we do. We have this liberal approach where its no real deterrent. 8yrs but only do 4. Fact most cons reoffend and as prison is no deterrent the amount of offenders actually increases plus you have this revolving door thing going on at the prison gates. I was in Dubai in October. A Liverpool drug dealer was sentenced to 25yrs. And he will do 25yrs which starts from the date of his sentence. Now that more like it! That's the kind of thing we need, that is a deterrant. Personally I would also bring back the death penalty because we now have repeat murderers people who have already taken a life and served a sentence. Save the cash and a life!

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I'll drink to that.
The reason that prison does not work is that it is just too comfortable.
Prisoners can get their drugs, they can get phones...ok, they don't have their freedom, but that is a fair trade off.
And it appears there is no shame to having done 'bird'...it is almost worn as a badge of honour.
Many pensioners would like to have three meals a day, no bills to pay....no wonder they go back in, it beats sleeping under a canal bridge.

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Margaret that’s an excellent point. The state has a duty of care to everyone but it strikes me there is a bigger duty of care to the dead heads in prison than to honest hard working people. If it was down to me prison would constitute a blanket three squares a day and as a duty of care to provide very small hammers for them to spend long hours breaking very large rocks for long periods on the day.

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Yes...I like that idea.
Mine would be transport them to some barren inhsopitable island in the outer hebrides.
Give them food for oh...say, a week....if they want shelter they have to build it...any other food they have to catch it, pick it or grow it.
There would be no drugs, no phones, no TV's...nothing to distract them from the long days in inhospitable terrain.
They would gain skills in self sufficiency, building, forming a community that can work together for the common good.
They would need no warders....the costs would be low and they would(I believe) never want to go back again.
And the biggest benefit would be, that once they came back into the community they might...just might, value the common goals that the rest of us work towards.
Earning an honest crust by the work of our own hands, rather than stealing their bread.

The really would be rehabilitation!

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The Americans had a place just like you describe Margaret, its called Alcatraz and it worked.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1209657]Yes...I like that idea.
Mine would be transport them to some barren inhsopitable island in the outer hebrides.

I have suggested a few times that St Kilda would be ideal. The only inhabitants there during my time on Benbecula was an army detachment manning a radar station to make sure no fishing boats went into the area during live missile firing - not sure if it is still there. Give them some timber and nails and let them build their own, plenty of water 0 it rains most of the time, food would be a problem although there are plenty of seabirds that used to be a staple diet up there - and a few sheep. I would discount Rockall as that would be a cruel and unjust punishment:D

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So Rockall it is then Barrie :D

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this prison debate is something i change my mind on every day. one day i think its too soft the next day you hear of all the suicides that happen there and no real thoughts on re hab of offenders. at the end of the day i for one would hate the idea of being banged up for any length of time no matter what the food and other perks are like.

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[QUOTE=Barrie Yates;1209758]My brother served with the R.E.M.E. on Benbecular in the 1950's, they were (I think), testing the "Corporal" guided missile system and I have been told that the base is still there but just, as you say, a Radar tracking station.
Your's Taddy.

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I sailed passed Rockall and circled St Kilda a couple of years ago. Their is a horseshoe bay/inlet where you can anchor. There is still some comms towers and a radome plus accommodation buildings in the anchorage but I believe the MoD still own it although I think all their stuff is remote controlled and the site has been given over to conservation groups. On a good day best described as "bleak". Ideal spot where as Rockall is literally a rock sticking out of the sea which I would describe as "very bleak" and such would be even better apart from the fact its too small.

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It would not need to be huge if our plan works :)

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So for you, the removal of you from your family and surroundings proves to be a deterrent, but for many it does not.
As for re-hab, you can go into prison and get your further education at no cost.
Re-hab also needs lots of staff and commitment from not only the prison authorities, but the prisoners.
You cannot rehabilitate someone who does not wish to change their ways.
Why work for the things you need if you can steal them and get free bed and board.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;
Why work for the things you need if you can steal them and get free bed and board.[/QUOTE]

might have been the case a few years ago when people went out on the rob to give em a lifestyle they think they should be accustimed to but a greater number now have been banged up due to stealing due to drug addiction. cannot afford to buy em so need to rob for their fix. not the prison system fault or maybe not theirs either. if a stronger stance was made years ago about the drug question and problems then maybe something would be different. too much of a mamby pamby approach statring in the so called swinging sixties where there should have been a harder hitting approach to it all.

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mamby pamby approach starting in the 60s.
Accy Observer fri march 9
Heroin dealer gets 5years 9months jail
same man has been sentenced 3 times before for supplying class A drugs.
WoW that's what I call being tough.

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We cannot change what happened in the past...and looking that way is entirely the wrong direction...it is not the direction of current travel.
The namby pamby liberal approach is certainly a factor, and it still continues.

So, these days they steal to fund a filthy habit, that makes it less painful and disturbing for those who are the victims...no, of course it doesn't and I feel pretty sure you did not mean it to sound apologetic for these 'unfortunate addicts'....or that you feel sorry for them
I do not feel sorry for them. They ruin lives of innocent people, for this they should be punished first...Rehabilitation is a much harder thing to achieve.
The offender has to WANT to change their ways...if they do not WANT to change then you are just wasting time and effort on them.

Drug use is a lifestyle choice. Something that these folks have chosen to get involved in.
Going to prison does not solve this because....well, would you believe it?
These criminals(because that is what they are) can get drugs in prison almost as easily as out on the street.

If these folk were sent somewhere remote, then they would have to do cold turkey...
But, truthfully, you are NEVER going to crack the problem of drugs on the streets while ever there are those who think drugs should be decriminalised.

Drugs are controlled for a reason....they are detrimental to physical and mental well being.
But if laws are not policed then we might just as well not have them

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Australia used to be a good place to get rid of some.
Now people are flocking there for a few years (before coming back).

:)

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Australia is far too discerning now to take the dregs of our society.
It really needs to be somewhere far less hospitable.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1209867]We cannot change what happened in the past...and looking that way is entirely the wrong direction...it is not the direction of current travel.
The namby pamby liberal approach is certainly a factor, and it still continues.

i do know that looking backwards is not the answer but you must agree that is where it all started. was not rife apart from hippy type communes and pop events. if plod had been as pro active with drug offences they would not have the problems they have now. you will i imagine the only drugs you came across in your youth were woodbines. since the 60,s we have heard the liberal types attemting to show how drugs are less of a problem than tabs were to us.

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Of course that is where it started, but knowing where it started and solving the problem are different issues entirely.

I was a teen in the sixties...I did not take drugs...I knew nothing at all about drugs.
The circles I travelled in were the same people...none of us were exposed to drug taking.

If you look at those who are peddling drugs to children at the school gates, one thing will be plain to you...they are all of ethnic origin.

Where my dear old Ma lived, drug dealing was rife...and on a couple of occasions I reported to the police what I had seen...I did not see the police take any action.

As I previously said, if the people who are supposed to uphold the law do nothing, then the law they are supposed to be upholding is useless.
That is where a large part of the problem lies, and a larger part is how the judiciary let these offenders off with a slap on the wrist.
It is all well and good saying that the drug addicts are victims, but they CHOSE to adopt a dubious lifestyle for their own initial pleasure.
Everything you choose has a price. The price of this pleasure is addiction, paranoia and other mental health issues.

Those who are burglarised are the true victims and should expect to be 1) protected and 2) compensated.

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Ah the joys of Multi-Kulti enrichment & the experience of our new ethnic neighbours quaint little folkways! What could possibly go wrong ..... ?

Revealed: Police Failed to Act as 1,000 Girls Beaten, Pimped, Raped, and Even KILLED Over 40 Years in Britain's Worst Grooming Scandal

Should my cynical, jaded & "racist" attitude upset some (Whiny bedwetting hand wringing liberalist leftards) ... So what? Come talk to me personally & I will happily show you the error of your ways & at the same time hand you your own blubbery pussy arses!

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I think that this,as much as anything has much to do with the 'leave it alone' attitude of the authorities.
The fact that many many of those supplying what are considered 'soft drugs' are of ethnic origin.
There are those she believe that these soft drugs...recreational drugs do no harm and are unlikely to lead to addiction of Class A drugs...I am very sceptical of this assertion.
In fact, I would go as far as to say that my opinion is that the use of weed, hash, pot....whatever you want to call it, is the first step down the drug spiral.

The other thing is that the current situation with weed, is that is is the much stronger version...and this is responsible for triggering mental health issues which may need treatment for the rest of the users life.

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Yer quite correct about todays weed being much stronger Margaret it is "Skunk" these days albeit different versions.

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And therein lies the heart of the problem! If those who are invested with the right & the powers to enforce the law don't, how the hell can the rule of law be effectively applied?

Lady Justice is depicted blindfolded for the simple reaaon that justice is supposedly blind to any differences between peoples & as such doesn't discriminate regardless of colour, nationality or religion! Unfortunately it seems that in todays modern leftist wankeratti controlled society the blindfold seems to indicate a selective "Blindness" that applies as & when it suits the bleating whiny leftist narrative!

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Yes, and there is a correlation between the use of this much stronger version of the stuff to mental illness.

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If you look at those who are peddling drugs to children at the school gates, one thing will be plain to you...they are all of ethnic origin.

Where my dear old Ma lived, drug dealing was rife...and on a couple of occasions I reported to the police what I had seen...I did not see the police take any action.

rotherham and rochdale again but a different subject. when anyone gets caught for flogging drugs its the usual types of names that crop up around me and it aint smith or jones.

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Very topical this what with the whole Worboys thing going on. The simple fact as I said before is regardless of what people say prison doesn’t work and quite clearly this only serve half your sentence is ridiculous. Prison doesn’t reform anyone but it does stop them from harming the rest of society. So for my money 10 years should mean 10 years. Also I would agree that in the 60s the Police took their eye off the ball. Things were changing and they simply didn’t keep up. We lost the drug war in this country in the 70s and as for the limp wristed lefty political correct brigade well the repercussions of their input on the Police and Social Services is coming back to haunt them in places like Rotherham and now Telford and trust me probably a lot more towns to come.

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I think that where ever there are ethnic communities you can guarantee that what went on in Rotherham and Rochdale, is going on there as well.
This is not being racist, it is being realist.

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should never have to say the words not being racist. a fact is a fact margaret no matter who it will upset.