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Glad my kids are grown.. just imagine nowadays having to explain sex..

There are the birds and the bees, the bees and the bees, the birds and the birds.

There are the birds that may want to be bees and bees that may want to be birds both of whom are keeping their options open.

There are birds that used to be bees and bees that used to be birds.

There are birds that look like birds and bees that look like bees that prefer to be known as beesirds or birdees, you need to double check their individual preferred pronoun my child, for the police no longer catch criminals but instead caution those that use incorrect pronouns as hate crimes.

There are birds that are still birds yet prefer to look like bees and of course there are bees that prefer to look like birds albeit they still have a stinger.

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Guinness….that made me laugh on a grey wet Saturday morning…..I don’t know how long it took to compose this post, but it is well worth the time and effort.
Yet….it is a serious comment too on the way the world has become seriously mentally unstable.

I still don’t ‘get’ how a bee can know just what it feels like to be a bird..because if you asked a bird they would not be much good at explaining…except perhaps they may tell the bee that they liked worms….to eat, that is

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Seems there's quite a lot of it about at the moment, got a fair few mentions yesterday on GB News. I blame the warm weather myself, it brings out the raving loons & downright moronic.

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Think Croc Dundee had the best way of sorting out who was what.

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Case in point... The Halifax putting personal pronouns on name badges to ensure that equality, diversity and inclusion are honoured.

In my opinion this is 100% virtue signalling.... I can't recall ever being in a bank in my life where I have ever needed to use a personal pronoun other than 'you' or 'I'....can 'you' cash this please?, thank 'you', I'd like a loan etc..

This is a bank that had to be bailed out by taxpayers (i.e ME!) who are now saying that if you dont like it bank elsewhere. Fortunately I don't bank with these muppets, if I did I would have taken their advice.

Earlier this week the papers had mobile phone footage of a female copper struggling to hold down a suspect whilst being assaulted by his teenage girlfriend...male cop comes in hard and pretty much slams the assaulting teenage girl to the ground and away from his struggling colleague....he's now suspended pending investigation..

Idiots stick themselves to goalposts, works of art and motorway slip roads. You try to move them, the courts give you a harsher punishment than they get...not okay to run on the pitch in celebration but ok to tie yourself to a goalpost..not ok to touch the art exhibits unless you are gluing yourself to them

*sigh* life was so much simpler when the biggest story of the day was Mary Whitehouse moaning about seeing a side nipple on BBC Play for Today and Life of Brian was considered the work of the antichrist

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agree 100% GUINESS luckily i dont bank with them neither i would have done the same, loads have and quit them.

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Guinness, I certainly enjoyed your very clever post about the birds and bees. I have now read the article about Halifax and find it hard to understand what they’re on about, or the reasoning behind it. I wonder what the pronouns will be on the badges of their employees who are the birds and the bees featured in your post. I bet that will give Halifax something to think about.

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I hope everyone of the oldies…our generation….the generation that worked and saved, do take the advice of the diversity guy at the Halifax….remove every brass razoo and leave this financial organisation in bits.

I do not bank with the Halifax, but if I did I would find somewhere else to put my money.

It is like the boo-ha over the Pride March….I really do not care what sexual orientation anyone is…it is none of my beeswax(continuing a theme).
As for Philip Schofield and Kelly Holmes and their ‘coming out’……well my gaydar was right about both of these self publicists.
I think it was public knowledge, but not commented on because we do not care who they are getting it on with.

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Andy M the Social Media advisor/manager says that if you do not like the addition of pronouns to badges then it is you who are the problem.
Brain rinsing…telling us what to think…what to believe…..virtue signalling of the highest order.
Well go woke…go broke.

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I must have been ahead of my time when I was young free and attempting to be sexually active, I often found out about someone's sexual orientation without really asking.
The number of young ladies I took out wined and dined with the evening ending with either a peck on the cheek or a handshake and the comment, 'thanks for a lovely evening Less, I wasn't sure before, but now you've convinced me, I'm a lesbian'.

I would see them out at the disco a few nights later strutting their stuff with some other pimply faced youf, and think, 'well what do you know? she isn't a lesbian she's bi'.
It was an elder brother that told me nope, none of them were lesbians, they just didn't want to have sex with YOU!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...exUig&usqp=CAU

The above just about sums me up for that period of life!

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Not sitting well with the "good, solid folk of Yarkingshire" :D or those of Lancashire judging from the comments on here, I must admit to sharing the same opinion.


https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/...e-24374038.amp

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This idea that we must be inclusive of all genders….both real and perceived(after all there ARE only Two genders whatever the loony leaning leftists think) is trying to exclude biological women to placate the trans lobbyists….so is self defeating…you cannot be inclusive if half of the population are excluded by an ‘inclusive ideology’

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Oh yes….and people with ovaries are WOMEN.
That is an incontrovertible fact….but they are bent on changing this to fit their agenda.
Women with a Penis are not women…they are men!
Just saying…

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This story about the Halifax was covered by an American Youtuber with over 1.2 million subscribers. I wonder how long this Andy M will have his job?

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who is andym?

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I do know what you are saying Marge and I am in total agreement but your post is a bit, (sorry), more than a bit above my head, I was never very "verbose" in English language at Woodnook but once I left school at fifteen my word skills increased ten fold but not always for the better. :D

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Why is it above your head Taddy?

I am not sure which bits of my post you do not understand… or are ‘over your head’.
And if you do not understand what I have posted, then how can you agree with it?

We do not stop learning when the school gates clang behind us.

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Him, Her, It, whatever! :D

Andy M, a member of the Halifax social media team

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Andy M is the Halifax Social Media loser who said if you don't like pronouns we use your free to close your accounts and take your money elsewhere.... They deserve to lose their job.

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I quite agree, but you can guarantee his superiors are part of the wokeratti crowd & instead of sacking him they'll probably promote him.

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…you cannot be inclusive if half of the population are excluded by an ‘inclusive ideology’[/QUOTE]

What,;);) This is what I can't get my head around Marge.

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ta ryewolf i was totally lost with that, fortunately have never bothered with the Halifax.

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It's as clear as the face on the back of your neck when it's a foggy 30th of February.
:rolleyes:

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Taddy…just think about it for a moment……half(or roughly half) of the population are women.
If you remove all terms that relate to women, from speech, from literature etc….then you are not being inclusive.
Being inclusive means that all members in society have equality….are recognised for their unique attributes…the things that make them…well, them.

Describing women as people with ovaries…rather than women(for fear of upsetting those biological women who self identify as men….but are STILL female) is erasing women from speech….or saying people who menstruate, rather than calling them women…again to save the tender feelings of transgender men(who are biologically female) is insulting to the vast majority of women who are not transgender.

Now Taddy that may seem a verbose answer….but it explains how women….who identify as women are being cancelled for a very small minority……making us EXCLUDED,

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Less…don’t pretend that you do not understand it either.

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What I’m finding hard to come to grips with is (and I’ll prove I’m making this up as I go along, by using Graham Jones’s favourite percentage).
97% of the population are happy to be whichever sex they are, this includes homosexuals and lesbians, they feel no need to use a different toilet to that of their own sex.
It’s an awkward and tiny minority that go out of their way to draw attention to themselves by demanding that the rest of us should cow-tow to whatever trendy non-sexual sexuality they feel should be given priority over ‘normals’ seating (or standing) position in whichever toilet they use.

I just wish the people that have sympathy for these bog standard whiners (P.C. Brigade?) would get a life of their own then maybe they could tell the nuisance 3% to shut up and look for a way to fit in with the rest of us.

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See…I knew you understood what I meant.

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Eh?

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Yes….you KNOW!!!

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Oh Marge, After that expletive I am even more confused but if you are saying which I think you are, that a male who has his b-----s removed can then say (He) is a female then he should have been working as I and many others (Lads) did when they left school before these "snow flakes had finished sucking on their Mothers appendage's then I will back you 100%
Oh, This new Ruby Ale is every bit as powerful as the old Hobgoblin, time for another one before the (old ) lass say's, That's enough.
As ever, Stay Safe, Stay Happy But drink Ruby Ale.

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No Taddy….
What I am saying is that those who try to cancel women from society….by not using the term ‘women’ are defeating the idea of inclusiveness.
And they are defeating the idea for such a very small number of transgender people.
In doing this, they insult women born female(as opposed to those men who declare that they
‘Feel’ like a woman)…and the loony left liberal hand wringers continue to try to remove the word ‘woman/women’ from things like female products(tampons, sanitary pads) and information produced for mothers to be (they prefer the term ‘birthing parent’) and women’s health education information.

Now if you do not ‘get it’ after this explanation…then I am giving up….and will say to you ‘it is never going to affect you, so forget about it’…yet somehow that is not right.

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Margaret is right, women are being cancelled and are now being called "birthing people" and "menstruators"... I understand (and I'm a man) exactly what Margaret is saying, this is not inclusive but exclusive and pandering to a small minority of transgender wokeists who get offended by everything...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...struators.html

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I do not think it is the fault of those who ARE transgender.
It is those who wish to be seen as ‘right on’….the woke brigade.
If I made the decision the identify as a man, then I would accept that I was in a minority and not expect the world to change so that I would not be offended.
I would expect to be treated with respect, but not have women erased to save my feelings.

The most offensive thing I have seen was the picture of what looked like a bearded man….with a swollen very pregnant belly (but no breasts)…..this man was transgender….as was his wife…so they were a male and female couple with the working reproductive bits…but both of them had changed gender.
The baby the ‘male ‘ was carrying was their biological child. Does that not strike you as a bit weird?

That is not what I found offensive.
What offended me was their desire to have this picture put into multiple publications.
I actually do not care what they do in their lives….but their need to shove this under the noses of the rest of us…those of us who are the vast majority….who are identifying as the gender we were born with.

Oh yes….and the female to male partner was a ‘model’ for a major fashion house….so a bit of a self publicist there, or that is how it looks to me.

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Thank you Ryewolf…I hoped that my post was not over anyone’s head.

I felt that I had explained quite clearly the issues that give cause for concern.

If women call out these practices we are referred to as TERFS
This stands for Transphobic Exclusionary Radical Feminists.
When in fact what we are doing is protecting our right to be seen, not as body parts, but as nature intended us to be…WOMEN!

Yes, by all means respect those who have gender issues, but do us the courtesy of accepting that those who do decide to change gender are a very small minority.

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I am absolutely 100% behind you Marge so please don't give up on me (and other's) just yet, my pet subjects at school were Sports,(really enjoyed) so did well, History, (the proper 1066 and all that), and still enjoy to this day, not the modernistic rubbish that is being churned out today.
Woodwork, under the guidance of Norman Booth I once made a Spanish Guitar from scratch, so I was and still am willing to learn about most things but English Literature has never been a turn on for me so I did not and still do not appreciate a language that is a mixture of Celtic, Roman, (Saxon/ Germanic), Danish, Flemish and all the other variants, So I shall stick to my Lancashire Dialect thank you very much.

Bye the way, I really love the fancy spell checker on my new all singing, all dancing computer machine

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I also like Lancashire dialect….as to school, well it is a long long time ago.
A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then.

What I learned at school has been multiplied many many times….some of it because I had to, but much of my learning has been done to give my grey cells a work out.
I remain endlessly curious….and it is the desire to improve what I know that motivates me.

We only graduate from the university of life when they are screwing down the lid on the wooden box

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This is really going to make life hard for songwriters.

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Image a queer, LGBTQ+ alphabet owned coffee shop (Mina's World in Philidelpia), who wanted to create a "inclusive space" (as long as you were a part of the alphabet mafia) being closed because their employees said they weren't woke enough.... Get Woke, Go Broke

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I see a lot of this because I follow several channels on YouTube that discuss this Get Woke, Go broke attitude (which seems more prevalent in the US). The latest company to suffer from the Get Woke, Go Broke is Victoria's Secrets their stock Price has tanked 53% since they dropped 'The Angels' 6 months ago...

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And so it should tank…..this ‘jumping on the bandwagon’ is just a lot of virtue signalling.

I am getting truly fed up of adverts with children in them, who promote the virtues of plant based foods….I am also noticing more and more adverts that seem to normalise inter race partners…boyfriends, girlfriends, wives and cafe au lait children.
Yes….there are these couple in society, but there are far more couples who are not ‘mixed race’.
All more woke stuff.
So glad I am at the butt end of my existence on this planet.

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join the club margaret so am i.

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Whilst I can still savour a couple or three pints of "Real Ale" a day I think I shall do a Boris and try to "Crash On" for a few more years.

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There was an absolute cracker yesterday from the BBC about the lack of diversity in the Lionesses football team after their 8-0 win over Norway...strangely enough there are some in that team who come under their own 'diversity banner' definition of LGB (and quite rightly so..each to their own)....but what the overfunded 'woke' BBC were attempting to clumsily point out was the lack of 'Black' faces in the England team... overlooking the fact that the Norwegians were also all white, as are the Germans and Danes in this competition

A quick google of the Nigerian ladies team shows a distinct lack of white faces. I guess there are no white females in Nigeria and continuing the theme no white or black Eurasian females in Japan, China or South Korea

Didn't hear anything on the recent BBC coverage of Wimbledon about the lack of UK Black tennis players? Also I can't recall anything being mentioned during the olympics about the lack of 'diversity' in the womens hockey team, no black skiers or three day eventers..(but hey I could be wrong only because the BBC coverage didn't highlight them)

And another thing the 'woke' muppets of the BBC fail to notice is that up here in the North who follow the 'English Game' of Cricket we have welcomed a vast majority of different colours white/brown/black (Faroukh Engineer/Clive Lloyd/Viv Richards) based on their skill as opposed to their heritage for more than 50 years to my personal knowledge...god forgive us we even welcomed the bloody aussies (purposely used lower case to describe the true enemy :) ) in our local leagues in the 70's....

Long story short...today I've cancelled my direct debit for my TV licence, I'm not funding this crap anymore

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Liked your post Ma, #36, for content, definitely not for your hint about shuffling off, awaiting much more for many years from you. :)

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I hope to stick around for as many as possible Son….I have lots of irritating in me yet:D