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garinda

10-01-2007 01:36

One big happy family.

Ok, I can't sleep, so I thought I'd share my thoughts with anyone who may be remotely interested.

We all have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents, sixteen great great grandparents, thirty two great great great grandparents, and so on, and so on.... the numbers doubling each generation.

If we average that there are four generations per century, in a thousand year period we will all have 1,009,511,627,776 direct ancestors.

I hope my maths isn't wrong. I think it's 2 to the power of 40, and I had to get Google to do it, because my calculator didn't have enough digits. Any way it's a huge number.

Since the population of the UK in 1000 AD was roughly 1,420,000 that means we all must be related in some way, and I suppose we should count ourselves lucky not to have eleven fingers or webbed toes.

Any comments, or corrections to my mathematics, will be appreciated.

KIPAX

10-01-2007 01:43

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I thought it was common knowledge that if you go back far enough then we all must be related......eh bruv :)

AccyAlec

10-01-2007 01:50

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LOL garinda.. think your right but i cant comment as im not good at maths:D

Do we all believe that we come from 'adam and eve'... im not convinced lol :cool:

Alec

Neil	10-01-2007 05:33

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Originally Posted by AccyAlec (Post 364686)

Do we all believe that we come from 'adam and eve'..

Or Adam and Steve in some cases :D

entwisi

10-01-2007 05:36

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Ah but you forgot all those marauding foreigners, (Vikings/Saxons/etc).

WillowTheWhisp

10-01-2007 07:52

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Even with the marauding foreigners there aren't enough ancestors for us all to have had different ones. You've also got to take into account the people who never had offspring for whatever reason and the genepool shrinks even further.

You don't need to go as far back as Adam & Eve, remember Noah and his family were the only ones to survive the flood so he's the grand daddy of us all.

jedimaster

10-01-2007 11:05

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just cant bring myself to believe i may be related to some of you lot lol.

Neil	10-01-2007 11:23

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 364711)

You don't need to go as far back as Adam & Eve, remember Noah and his family were the only ones to survive the flood so he's the grand daddy of us all.

I've told you before not to believe everything you read :rolleyes:

garinda

10-01-2007 11:57

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 364693)

Ah but you forgot all those marauding foreigners, (Vikings/Saxons/etc).

All of us will have ancestors who came to the British Isles both before and since 1000 AD. Over that thousand year period all of us will have over a billion direct ancestors, or how ever big that number is, I can't read it, compared with the figure of under a million and a half people who inhabited Britain then.

The whole population of the British Isles in 1000 AD, is similar to that number that now lives on the Isle of Wight today.

Gayle

10-01-2007 13:04

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Hasn't it been proven (god knows how) that we all descend from one woman in africa? Of course, no one knows where she came from though!

I also read somewhere (slightly contradictory to the first sentence) that there are three main lines in the world - the african line can be traced back millions of years and the chinese/eastern line can be traced back equaly as far but the white race can not be traced back quite as far - which is where all the alien theorists come in!!!!!

Due to migration and interbreeding we're all a mixmatch of the three race lines!

garinda

10-01-2007 13:10

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 364805)

Yes scientists say that the whole of mankind's DNA can be traced to one woman in Africa. They named her Elizabeth, which doesn't sound very African, and although Biblical, anything like the name Eve.:D

KIPAX

10-01-2007 13:12

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all from one women... oh dear.... proven? all i see is 2 accyweb members saying it.... source please?

KIPAX

10-01-2007 13:13

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 364805)

Due to migration and interbreeding we're all a mixmatch of the three race lines!

I dont think blaming burnley helps :)

lancsdave

10-01-2007 13:14

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Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 364815)

I dont think blaming burnley helps :)

Glass houses and stones may be relevant here :)

garinda

10-01-2007 13:15

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http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/870.html

garinda

10-01-2007 13:16

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Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 364814)

all from one women... oh dear.... proven? all i see is 2 accyweb members saying it.... source please?

There is lots of scientific information about it. It's their theories, not mine.

I would never make anything up.:D

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/870.html

KIPAX

10-01-2007 13:19

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 364817)

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/870.html

Your joking?

hardly proof is it... and the use of phrases such as "strongly suggests" ,"seem" and "most likely" hardly add to the case of it being proven ...

KIPAX

10-01-2007 13:23

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 364820)

There is lots of scientific information about it. It's their theories, not mine.

First its proven., then its theories...soon you will be down to fairy stories :)

Lolly

10-01-2007 13:26

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Its all too mind boggling for me. It s like the age old drunken question how big is the Universe?????

KIPAX

10-01-2007 13:31

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Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 364829)

Its all too mind boggling for me. It s like the age old drunken question how big is the Universe?????

i prefer the chicken and egg one... its more fun confusing the kids with... they dont get the universe one yet :)

garinda

10-01-2007 13:33

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Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 364827)

First its proven., then its theories...soon you will be down to fairy stories :)

I'm not saying it is correct, just that it is common scientific theory that we are all descended from one woman, named by the scientists Elizabeth, from whom everyone alive today is linked by DNA.

garinda

10-01-2007 13:34

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_re...ommon_ancestor

KIPAX

10-01-2007 13:37

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wikipedia.org thats the one where just about anyone can edit add to the page innit... your killing your sources here garinda... if its theories then fairynuff... i dont argue with that..... it was when you and gayle said it was proven that I jumped in... now its been downgraded to theories then I agree with you

Tealeaf

10-01-2007 13:38

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Unfortunatly, there is now substancial evidence that homo sapiens were interbreeding with neandathals as little as 40,000 years ago. That does of course, blow the theory that we are all decended from the same earth mother straight out the water.

KIPAX

10-01-2007 13:41

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 364844)

Unfortunatly, there is now substancial evidence that homo sapiens were interbreeding with neandathals as little as 40,000 years ago. That does of course, blow the theory that we are all decended from the same earth mother straight out the water.

substantial.. doesnt that mean quite a lot? doesnt mean 100% proof does it.. so still theories

garinda

10-01-2007 13:56

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Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 364843)

Gayle and I were refering to the same recent scientific claims, they are not ours.

Although both clever clogs, neither Gayle or myself have solved the theory of evolution...yet.

If either of us do, we'll be sure to let you know.:D

KIPAX

10-01-2007 14:02

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No you where not.. you where saying it has been proven.. is this another one of those going around in circles.. you making up crap.. changing sentances and then dropping down to insults and nastiness until someone gives up and you then go off thinking your right? oh goody :) you where talking about it being proven ... but go on... have a go at convincing ua you wernt :)

Gayle: Hasn't it been proven (god knows how) that we all descend from one woman in africa?

Garinda: Yes scientists say that the whole of mankind's DNA can be traced to one woman in Africa.

Doug	10-01-2007 14:05

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 364865)

neither Gayle or myself have solved the theory of evolution...yet.

Now that is a frightening statement, some things should be left unthought-of let alone unsaid.

garinda

10-01-2007 14:06

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See.

Bickering.

Just like a real family.:D

WillowTheWhisp

10-01-2007 15:23

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It must be true because I saw it on telly ;) They called her Eve though not Elizabeth.

There's some theory too (I could probably provide links if really pressed but can't do it off top of my head) about ancient Sumerians writing about visitors from space who cross bred with the humans they found here to produce a superior race to be their servants. Superior to the native earthlngs that it, but inferior to the space visitors.

Gayle

10-01-2007 15:43

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Well I wasn't actually making a claim, I was asking a question

Hasn't it been proven? Then I continued with an expression of disbelief - god knows how. I think Garinda was agreeing that scientists have made the claim, not that he personally has discovered this to be fact.

It is scientists who have made the claim.

Lolly

10-01-2007 16:01

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Still blags my head!! lol.

WillowTheWhisp

10-01-2007 16:02

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Next we'll be discussing the beginning of time and what happened before time began. :D

Gayle

10-01-2007 16:08

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Well if we're discussing random theories we might as well start on 'time' since nothing about that can really be proven.

Less	10-01-2007 16:21

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 364973)

Well if we're discussing random theories we might as well start on 'time' since nothing about that can really be proven.

Excuse me? Nothing can be proved about time? I was here yesterday, so far, I am here today, if I concern myself with tomorrow it has yet to be proven that I will be here, but, time, it does go on with us or without us.

Aren't these parts of time that exist? Or are we all just some twisted part of your imagination?:eek:

Lolly

10-01-2007 16:23

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 364968)

Next we'll be discussing the beginning of time and what happened before time began. :D

Oh God Willow don't please. My head will just explode!!!!

Gayle

10-01-2007 16:40

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 364980)

Ah, but can you actually prove that you are living your life in that order? You think you are but just because you can't remember your future doesn't mean it hasn't happened! :D

Gayle

10-01-2007 16:41

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And while I'm on the subject - who has defined 'yesterday', 'today' and 'tomorrow' - these are just names for concepts that were defined 1000 years ago when scientists believed the world was flat - who's to say they were right about time? They just haven't been proven wrong yet!

KIPAX

10-01-2007 16:46

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 364980)

Aren't these parts of time that exist?

yesterday doesn't exist. it's gone.. even if you where part of it... it's now gone.. the only time that exists is now..

Gayle

10-01-2007 16:48

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Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 364989)

yesterday doesn't exist. it's gone.. even if you where part of it... it's now gone.. the only time that exists is now..

Which only ever exists for a millisecond :)

KIPAX

10-01-2007 16:49

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 364988)

And while I'm on the subject - who has defined 'yesterday', 'today' and 'tomorrow'

that would probably be the same people who decided trees are beautiful ...and now generations later it is instilled in us..

Gayle

10-01-2007 16:50

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Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 364991)

that would probably be the same people who decided trees are beautiful ...and now generations later it is instilled in us..

Yep, and the same ones who have decided that blue is blue and green is green - but who can say that we're all seeing exactly the same thing and there's no way of proving it.

Less	10-01-2007 16:51

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 364988)

It was really nice talking to you tomorrow, I look forward to listening to you yesterday, today just shows that the future isn't.....!:rolleyes:

garinda

10-01-2007 17:44

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Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 364989)

yesterday doesn't exist. it's gone.. even if you where part of it... it's now gone.. the only time that exists is now..

When though?

When you thought what you were about to post. When you wrote and finished it with a full stop? Or when we read your post?

Time is only a concept, not a science. Scientists have said so, so it must be true.:D

All this may be a fleeting brain wave in someone's dream.

WillowTheWhisp

10-01-2007 17:48

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 364993)

Yep, and the same ones who have decided that blue is blue and green is green - but who can say that we're all seeing exactly the same thing and there's no way of proving it.

This used to be one of my favourite subjects. Just because we both call it green doesn't mean that I see what you see. I might actually be seeing the colour that you call red.

The ancient greeks didn't define colours as we do which is amazing to me.

I also find it quite incredible that a century or so ago the Lake District was regarded as wild and ugly and a part of the country to be avoided at all costs with all those nasty high mountains and wet horrible meres and waters. How opinions do change.

garinda

10-01-2007 17:55

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 365024)

I also find it quite incredible that a century or so ago the Lake District was regarded as wild and ugly and a part of the country to be avoided at all costs with all those nasty high mountains and wet horrible meres and waters. How opinions do change.

Unless you were a Romantic Poet.;)

Lolly

10-01-2007 17:58

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 365024)

The ancient greeks didn't define colours as we do which is amazing to me.

This is quite true, they actually had no word for blue, so they called the colour of the sky "bronze" this is what they called blue.

garinda

10-01-2007 18:02

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I was taught at Art School, in colour theory, that Africans see colour differently from Caucasians, especially bright colours, which to them are duller.

This isn't my theory, in case any cantankerous old gits are reading this.:D

WillowTheWhisp

10-01-2007 18:21

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Maybe it's something to do with brightness of the light in some parts of the world.

Lolly

10-01-2007 18:49

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These are all things we'll never know, stuff like the Matrix..... is it real????

WillowTheWhisp

10-01-2007 21:02

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Are we real? We could all be the figment of someone else's imagination.

jedimaster

10-01-2007 21:31

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 365226)

Are we real? We could all be the figment of someone else's imagination.

here comes the matrix theory!

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