Old Map of Accy - 1890(Wrong!)
 

Most of you are probably familiar with the map (per thumbnails) which is to be found on several sites, including the Lancashire County Council website. All of them restate a glaring error - that this map is of Accy & Church in 1890. It's not. The map is much later, sometime between 1923 and 1930. Can anyone see why? And can anyone give a more exact date to the map?

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Sorry..........here's a link
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/environ...ns/acc/acc.htm

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is it wrong because of all the housing, there seems to be a lot i would have thought for the 1890s//

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You're right...some of the terraced rows on their are'nt built to the 1900's (each block tends to have a date)...but there are some individual buildings on there which do have dates & they are fay later than 1890.

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++not often im right tea but i must say i was looking for other things too, did they have trams in the 1890s?

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They had steam trams in the 1890's...the system was electrified in the 1900's...so you can't really tell from the map.

They did'nt have the cinema in 1890, though....but possibly "theatre" refered to Music Hall....can you spot it? If it does refer to music hall, then there are still a number of other items to spot..just depends how well you know the dates of individual buildings.

Do you remember the old swimming baths? They were Edwardian, were they not?

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I think this could be a good one for Atarah!!!

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Thanks! I had five minutes to catch up on the forum at 10am this morning & 'cause of this post I've spent most of the day trying to locate maps through the ages of my old stamping grounds..... If I wasn't already under a redundancy notice for June I might have got the sack!!!

Seriously interesting stuff though, even idf it is the wrong date :-)

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it's a bit of a shame that there is a big void in the middle of the map (possibly something went wrong when it was scanned)...but there is a whole area north of the old grammar school that is missing (it's on both sections of the map).

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It must be a pre 1908 map, thats when my house was built and it isn't shown on the map

Sorry, My fault, it is on so its post 1908
Just that the street was in 2 halfs then and I hadn't noticed

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If you look closely this is 2 maps joined together, there is a distinct line running down the page around the Monk St area, possible these maps are of a different year as they do not match in a few places. ie Monk St, Stevenson St and also the rialway sidings

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It's a big map with lots of detail on it. I note that ´(as you pointed out Tealeaf) most of Charter Street between Fairfield st. and Willows Lane is missing. It looks like they have overlaid an older map for E. Accy partly over that of West Accy.
When was the Fire Station built? It doesn't appear on the map! But that was the E. Accy half!

Dill Hall might give a clue but most of it isn't covered by the map.

Well...it's out with the spy glass and burrow my way through !

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Accrington House is shown near the bottom of Spencer St. Feel sure Atarah has mentioned this recently. Also I know that the row of terraced houses in Hodder St, between Clarendon St & Essex St, which were built 1910/11 are not shown. Not sure what all this proves though.

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Have done a bit more investigations but without my reference books I can't get any reliable dates (my head is empty at this time). I think that the E. Accy and W. Accy maps are from 2 different dates. Some of the reasons (also reliably dated) could be:

Trams up to Ossy.
Tram lines to Blackburn from Church
No Broadway
No Oak Hill Park
The Hippodrome wasn't there
Theatre on Edgar St., but no Cinemas
Nothing built above Perth St.
Part of Countess St. not finished (Opposite Persia St. etc)
No Charter St. on the E Accy Map, but it's on the W Accy Map (the block on Charter Street W, Accy map was built about 1906, I know as my Mother-in-law was born there in 1912). So the E. Accy map is at least the begining of the 20th Century!
Exchange St. ends at Fairfield St.

I note the horse water trough on Wollows Lane.....Could do with a drink myself!!

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The West Accy map has the Queens Hotel on Church Lane (built 1903), the Railway Station has redeveloped around 1901 (I think), but best of all - what was the Church Conservative Club (now the shop selling push-bikes and motor car spares)......built 1923 (at least that's what the stone says)

East Accy....something in my head says the old baths were built in 1909 or 1911...was'nt their a plaque or something in the entrance giving the date? I dunno, I may be wrong.

I think the possibility we have 2 maps here is a very distinct one.

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I mentioned about Accrington House in a previous posting on this thread. It was demolished in 1889 so even if the map was published in 1890 it was slightly inaccurate although there is nothing unusual in that. No doubt the Cartographers had not updated their software.

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Accy East -The other interesting point is that pubs are indicated by PH on the map (although sometimes it my be hotel) The Bay Horse (I think) is to be found on Church Street, in front of the Church....according to Atarah, this was demolished in 1920; at the same time, we can see the site of The Lark Inn on Abbey Steet (previously mentioned in the photo's section) and it is the same on the map as it is today. The pub was closed in 1906 and there is no reference to PH on the map, suggesting at least that this is post 1906.

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I have to agree as my house is on and it was built in 1908

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Will probably get in trouble for not starting a new thread but seeing this has been about an old map thought it may be of interest to the dedicated few who have posted here.
I have two old local maps from this company which is at www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk

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Accy East -- As KSH`s house is on and was built in 1908, and mine, which was built 1911 is not shown, seems we can pinpoint to within 3 years. The odd thing about this though is that Oswald St and others in the area are built on the site of Accrington House which as I mentioned earlier was demolished in 1889 ( Library Records). Feel sure Oswald St was built before 1908 but will check. Must sort this out I reckon.

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How do you all know so much about when everything was built & demolished? I'm beginning to wonder about the ages of you Accy Webbers!!!

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Well, as far as I am concerned, have long been interested in "Old Accy & District" and have spent hours in the Local Studies Dept at the Library. Arising out of this I think we can take it for granted that "Accrington House" was demolished in 1889 (Library Records) and that it was on the site of present day top-block of Oswald Street. That block or terrace was built in 1891 ( info from a friend who lives there). I am convinced that the East Section of the Map we have been discussing is dated correctly although I have misgivings about the West section. Will be researching one particular aspect of the West Section as soon as possible.

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I'm convinced that the west section is indeed much later....certainly about 1923 (Because of Church Con Club being on the map)...however, the railway is marked Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway, a title which ended in 1923 with the railway amalgamation into the LMS railway.

Another interesting comparative point between the East & West sections of the map is that on the latter several council district wards are indicated as such, in quite a modern typeface which appears to have been overprinted on the map. I am not aware of the Ordnance Survey, in any of their map series, indicationg council ward boundaries. The East map has nothing like this.

I think this is a mess-up all round on the part of LCC archives dept. The map is not 1890's and in fact may be 2 distinct maps with different and later dates. It makes you wonder what else they may have got wrong. Anyway, someone needs to tell 'em.

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There's some interesting maphs on this site:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb...._pages/lan.htm

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Further to my earlier posting -- should have mentioned that there is a lot of info on this website, a lot coming from the previous poster and others -- with special mention of Atarah.
Can we perhaps compile a few specific points re-the West Section before contacting LCC ? I have one particular item in mind which I feel sure I can verify by tomorrow.

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Fine by me Bert........I'm shy in contacting anyone, as you know.

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wot you shy ///

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Re West Map Section -- Verified what I had in mind, namely that Lang Bridge Works was built in the Exchange St area c1904. The firm was originally in Paradise St and they moved in 1905.

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Good one Bert......did you notice the old Ewbank factory, close to the old Baths? I don't know when they moved on to Hyndburn Road.

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Bert made a posting today - a piccy "Arden View 1909 " of which the emerging concensus appears to be that it ison the gardened terrace on Plantation Street....Sure enough, our map (above) has the very same terrace on there..19 years before they were built.

I think I've cracked it now. The map is a 1:2500 scale first surveyed in 1890; there was a subesequent re-survey in 1909, and another one in 1929. The map of Accrington (East) is the 1909 resurvey (published 1911) while the map of Accy (West) and Church is actually the 1929 resurvey (published 1931).....in the time scale, quite a few years from 1890!

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I'll do a bit more checking...but your theory sounds credible...and probably right!!

There's nowt like a Church lad to do t'job!!

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I'm pretty certain of it...in fact, you've got Church Conservative Club on the map..and when I checked the weekend before last the build date is 1927 (I originally thought 1923).

I also walked past the Palladium in Ossy (not shown on the West map) and I have a recollection of seeing a date on there of 193? ....but I could'nt see anything this time. I also recall a date stone on the school opposite (again not on the map) and again I'm sure this was 193?....anyone any ideas

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Which Map are we now talking about ? If it is the West one I agree it has wrong date but I have replied to Lindsay who said that my "Arden View 1909" was in Plantation St to tell her to look again as she is wrong. Did you (Tealeaf) get my PM about this ?

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I did Bert....so I'll put the East Map on hold...but I'm still sticking by the West Map, which I'm convinced is the 1929 Survey. As above, this map does not have the Palladium or the Technical School (opposite each other on Union Road) on the map..it is my belief that both of these buildings are of 1930's construction....if they are earlier - say 1920's - then that would blow my theory out of the water.


But back to the East Map....and also the last picture posting of Accy Station circa 1905....I know that Church station was extensively redeveloped in the early 1900's and I'm certain Accrington was at the same time. That's why I think the picture is of a relatively new station. It is this station - I'm convinced - which is shown on the East map, which must make the East Map 1909. But I still can't be 100% certain.

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My house was built in 1900 (have it on the deeds) but isn't shown on the Accy East map so that one must be before 1900.

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Got what the wrong way round?

The map shows the road where my house now is, but the row of houses which includes mine is not on the map. Therefore the map must be prior to the building of my house. Given that my house was built in 1900 doesn't that mean the map must predate 1900?

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Aaargh! Now you've edited what you put. lol

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Yep....unfortunatly, my usual logic failed and I did'nt want to look a complete idiot.

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EDIT: my mistake..