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Atarah 06-02-2010 22:41

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I know someone mentioned the Con Club in a different thread, but I think it should be here, where it will be easier to find. I just spent ages trying to find the original posting.

This historic Grade II listed building (built 1891) was once the social point of Accrington and was the largest Conservative Club in the country. The ballroom was the showpiece of the building. Everyone used this club - the Police Ball was held there, the Cricket Club used it - top events were always taking place here.

Before Xmas scaffolding went up, but thats now all been taken down, so we will just have to keep an eye on the local papers, to find out what they are up to next.

Here is an old postcard view of Cannon Street, showing the Con Club, and two up to date photos of the exterior here. Remember the expression .... A Queen Anne front and a Mary Anne behind.

wadey 07-02-2010 10:21

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Thanks for the update, until you actually walk round the area it's hard to grasp just how big it is

garinda 07-02-2010 10:34

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Some photographs of it's present sad state.
Accrington Conservative Club

Hopefully some good news. Fingers crossed.
Accrington Conservative Club plans back on track (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Records of the club, which boasted the largest sprung dance floor in the country.
Accrington Conservative Club Archive (The John Rylands University Library - The University of Manchester)

Atarah 07-02-2010 11:29

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Garinda! You are a star! Fantastic info you have just posted!
Atarah

garinda 07-02-2010 11:34

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 785757)
Garinda! You are a star!

:o

Someone will shoot me, if you keep saying that.

:D

garinda 07-02-2010 12:08

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The Conservative Club, Blackburn Road, is a commodious building, opened in September, 1882, the cost of erection being about £4,000. The club was formerly held in premises in Abbey Street, which had become inadequate for the purpose.
Lancashire OnLine Parish Clerk Project -

It's probably cost that to repair one or two windows nowadays.

Bob Dobson 07-02-2010 19:20

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I havre written to the John Rylands library in Manchester to point out that the Con Club records are the only Accrington items in their archive, and suggest that they send them over to the Lancashire record office where they will be with lots of other Accrington records. When looking for records, people think LRO (Lancashire Record Office) and not Manchester.
I know a lass in Accrington who has a Queen Anne front and a Mary Anne backside. THis phrase comes from an old music hall song. Maybe that was what inspired the people of what was at first called Mary Ann Street, off Castle St, to get the name changed to Milton St.

Jaybee 04-04-2010 17:49

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Surely the owners should be oblidged to restore and maintain a grade II listed building - not demolish it?

Barrie Yates 07-04-2010 14:24

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 785766)
The Conservative Club, Blackburn Road, is a commodious building, opened in September, 1882, the cost of erection being about £4,000. The club was formerly held in premises in Abbey Street, which had become inadequate for the purpose.
Lancashire OnLine Parish Clerk Project -

It's probably cost that to repair one or two windows nowadays.

Perhaps I am just being thick and missing something obvious, but I am somewhat confused by the stated location "The Conservative Club, Blackburn Road".
Was there ever a Conservative Club on Blacburn Rd, before the Cannon St one was built?

garinda 07-04-2010 14:49

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 804432)
Perhaps I am just being thick and missing something obvious, but I am somewhat confused by the stated location "The Conservative Club, Blackburn Road".
Was there ever a Conservative Club on Blacburn Rd, before the Cannon St one was built?

I presume that's a mistake.

Only other explanation I can think of is it might once had land in front of it, that opened on Blackburn Road, but that seems highly unlikely.

jaysay 07-04-2010 14:53

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 804432)
Perhaps I am just being thick and missing something obvious, but I am somewhat confused by the stated location "The Conservative Club, Blackburn Road".
Was there ever a Conservative Club on Blacburn Rd, before the Cannon St one was built?

It would appear the records are wrong Barrie, unless Blackburn Road has been moved and knowbody tolds us:D

garinda 07-04-2010 14:55

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I'm sure there'll be a lady along shortly, who'll settle the matter.

Atarah! You're needed.

:D

odders 07-04-2010 15:14

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The only thing I know of this place, are the current plans and hope for the building. And that is to demolish all except the front off the building, and erecting a 3 sided glass structure. Possibly to be used as office space etc...

Such a shame that somebody has left this place to rot. I went in about 3/4 years ago when I noticed a broken window, that was easy access. It hadn't been trashed really and looked as if the owners had just up sticks. Although one of the upstairs windows had actually fell out(frame as-well) and landed on the carpet. Within weeks the kids had got in, then the local scum and since then I have slowly watched this magnificent building all but die. The council have a lot to answer for as do the local heritage trusts.

jaysay 07-04-2010 15:19

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Originally Posted by odders (Post 804451)
The only thing I know of this place, are the current plans and hope for the building. And that is to demolish all except the front off the building, and erecting a 3 sided glass structure. Possibly to be used as office space etc...

Such a shame that somebody has left this place to rot. I went in about 3/4 years ago when I noticed a broken window, that was easy access. It hadn't been trashed really and looked as if the owners had just up sticks. Although one of the upstairs windows had actually fell out(frame as-well) and landed on the carpet. Within weeks the kids had got in, then the local scum and since then I have slowly watched this magnificent building all but die. The council have a lot to answer for as do the local heritage trusts.

What the hell as it got to do with the council its private property

odders 07-04-2010 15:28

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 804455)
What the hell as it got to do with the council its private property

They should ensure that a building with such significant history should not be left in such a state. Why have such a lovely building in the town doing nothing? They should at least try to make the owners responsible for its upkeep, not just let it get trashed week in year out.

odders 07-04-2010 15:37

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Anyway it's to late now, plans will be submitted, and passed. The interior is to far gone to repair, due to costs. So it's simply cheaper to demolish and build new. Shame as it was salvageable a few years ago...

jaysay 08-04-2010 09:26

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Originally Posted by odders (Post 804457)
They should ensure that a building with such significant history should not be left in such a state. Why have such a lovely building in the town doing nothing? They should at least try to make the owners responsible for its upkeep, not just let it get trashed week in year out.

Sometimes its hard work just find out where the owners are hiding, then forcing them to take action is another issue, its not just straight forward

garinda 08-04-2010 09:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 804568)
Sometimes its hard work just find out where the owners are hiding, then forcing them to take action is another issue, its not just straight forward

When the Conservative Association decided to put it on the market, how much was it sold for?

garinda 08-04-2010 09:39

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'The former Conservative Club has been empty for a number of years. It was latterly a nightspot known as Churchills which closed in 2003. It was up for auction four years ago for a price of £450,000.'

'...owner Iftakharul Bhatti from Nelson-based Woodgreen Developments said that the building was in such a state of disrepair that demolition was now the only option.'

'MOST of the historic Accrington Conservative Club, including its famous ballroom, will be demolished under a £13million development plan, it has been revealed.'
Accrington Conservative Club ballroom faces demolition (From Lancashire Telegraph)

jaysay 08-04-2010 09:44

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 804570)
When the Conservative Association decided to put it on the market, how much was it sold for?

Haven't a clue Garinda, the building actually belonged to the Union of Conservative Clubs

jaysay 08-04-2010 09:48

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 804572)
'The former Conservative Club has been empty for a number of years. It was latterly a nightspot known as Churchills which closed in 2003. It was up for auction four years ago for a price of £450,000.'

'...owner Iftikhar Bhatti from Nelson-based Woodgreen Developments said that the building was in such a state of disrepair that demolition was now the only option.'

'MOST of the historic Accrington Conservative Club, including its famous ballroom, will be demolished under a £13million development plan, it has been revealed.'
Accrington Conservative Club ballroom faces demolition (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I can't think it went for anything like £450,000 when sold originally, the reason it was sold was because it needed so much work doing on it, it was riddled with Dry Rot which would have cost, even in those days, £250k+

odders 08-04-2010 10:29

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The last time I saw it up for auction was at least 2 years ago and it was for offers of £350k+.

odders 08-04-2010 10:35

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 804574)
I can't think it went for anything like £450,000 when sold originally, the reason it was sold was because it needed so much work doing on it, it was riddled with Dry Rot which would have cost, even in those days, £250k+


£250k though ain't a lot of money, considering the front is worth at least double that. Such a shame that monies couldn't be found earlier, the owners are laughing all the way to the bank. By the time they have recycled all the back and interior, they will have enough money to put up a cheap prefab structure in its place.

cashman 08-04-2010 13:22

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Originally Posted by odders (Post 804579)
£250k though ain't a lot of money,

O.K. mate lend us a "Monkey":D

jaysay 08-04-2010 15:08

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Originally Posted by odders (Post 804579)
£250k though ain't a lot of money, considering the front is worth at least double that. Such a shame that monies couldn't be found earlier, the owners are laughing all the way to the bank. By the time they have recycled all the back and interior, they will have enough money to put up a cheap prefab structure in its place.

I'm talking about the early 90s, now your talking £750K, it wasn't a viable concern at the time the only thing was to sell it

garinda 08-04-2010 15:56

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 804646)
I'm talking about the early 90s, now your talking £750K, it wasn't a viable concern at the time the only thing was to sell it

Yes, the days when there were enough Conservatives in Hyndburn to do the Dinky One Step, and fill that vast ballroom floor, are long gone.

:rolleyes::D

'erindoors 08-04-2010 16:59

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 804573)
Haven't a clue Garinda, the building actually belonged to the Union of Conservative Clubs

My step mum was Stewardess when it closed as a Conservative Club, as I remember, it went into Administration! x

Tealeaf 08-04-2010 18:16

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I bet the local mulims are really ****ed off now...no sooner do they get planning permission for the mosque up Higher Antley Street, then this site comes along. Just think..Saturday morning call to prayer versus St Jame's Wedding Bell ringing. Who could make the most noise?

Andym 13-04-2010 22:04

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Thanks for linking to my site at www.theviewfromthenorth.org. :)

If the owners had actually got round to securing and maintaining the building, e.g. replacing the large window which had mysteriously fallen in on the top floor, then who knows, it might not have got into such a sorry state. But there again the ownership of this place seemed to be in question last year, as was the church over the road. I was meant to be legitamately visiting the church with the permission of the supposed owners, but it turns out they didn't actually own it. :confused:
But that's another story.............

Acquiring a listed building and letting it rot until it's beyond economic repair (especially with the ridiculous demands placed on the restoration of listed buildings by English Heritage) is a tried and tested way of over-riding planning rules. However, it is more above board than finding that arsonists have burnt the place down, which is just as effective.

jaysay 14-04-2010 09:56

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 804666)
Yes, the days when there were enough Conservatives in Hyndburn to do the Dinky One Step, and fill that vast ballroom floor, are long gone.

:rolleyes::D

The Con in its hey day was used by all the community, Saturday and Monday nights in the sixties was choker block, its one problem was all those bloody stares :D

jaysay 14-04-2010 10:00

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Originally Posted by 'erindoors (Post 804690)
My step mum was Stewardess when it closed as a Conservative Club, as I remember, it went into Administration! x

I knew the the Stewardess at the time it closed, but I'v lost lots of those little grey since and can't for the life in me remember her name:o

Barrie Yates 14-04-2010 16:20

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[quote=jaysay;806268]The Con in its hey day was used by all the community, Saturday and Monday nights in the sixties was choker block, its one problem was all those bloody stares :D[/quote


It was always packed on Saturday nights in the mid/late '50s - you often needed a ticket to get in, which used to be on sale from 5 or 6 o'clock - I lived nearer than my mates so i was always elected and then we could go for a few pints before hand - Happy Days, Fantastic Memories

LYNX1 15-04-2010 06:13

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Originally Posted by Andym (Post 806170)
Thanks for linking to my site at www.theviewfromthenorth.org. :)


Acquiring a listed building and letting it rot until it's beyond economic repair (especially with the ridiculous demands placed on the restoration of listed buildings by English Heritage) is a tried and tested way of over-riding planning rules. However, it is more above board than finding that arsonists have burnt the place down, which is just as effective.

I think that was the plan all along......it's being done on a regular basis nowadays and I for one think it should be stopped, why should we lose all of these beautiful old building so that these people can make extra money...it's a crying shame :mad:

Barrie Yates 19-04-2010 15:38

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It seems that throughout Brittany the old buildings stay in the towns - in every town there are medieaval buildings - a few of which still bear the scars fom English cannon balls. Shop/house fronts cannot be changed even by repair - must be as original. Internals can be changed to suit the business.
Any new business construction must be in one of the business parks, new houses on the outskirts of towns or in areas with no historical/architectural value.
The majority of towns look good and are a pleasure to walk round.

'erindoors 20-04-2010 12:03

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 806269)
I knew the the Stewardess at the time it closed, but I'v lost lots of those little grey since and can't for the life in me remember her name:o

Marian Cook, and the sec was Joan Scholes(sp?)

Accrington Lad 09-12-2012 23:05

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Has anyone got any photos of the building when it was open? I have looked all over the internet. I have plenty of shots of the building as it is now because i visit it regularly with friends. But I want some photosfrom its heyday. If anyone has got any please share them, it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Accrington Lad 11-12-2012 11:02

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 804438)
I presume that's a mistake.

Only other explanation I can think of is it might once had land in front of it, that opened on Blackburn Road, but that seems highly unlikely.

No you are correct, Cannon Street was previously Blackburn Road too!
Ive been doing a lot of research, check out this newspaper article that I found!

Atarah 11-12-2012 13:42

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Cant read the article, but am very sceptical with what you say. I know its a cutting from Accrington library, I can make that much out, but the writing is all blurred (and too small).

Accrington Lad 11-12-2012 15:50

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 1031617)
Cant read the article, but am very sceptical with what you say. I know its a cutting from Accrington library, I can make that much out, but the writing is all blurred (and too small).

Click the image above once then it should expand out a bit, then click it again and it should open in a new window and then if you are on internet explorer you can zoom even more by clicking the image again. Hope it help. So to describe that in a short way, just keep pressing the picture and it should get bigger and bigger.

Atarah 11-12-2012 17:18

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Know what? My first thoughts are, this article is NOT about the Con Club on Cannon Street, but the fine building which is still, as I speak, at the bottom of Eagle St and Blackburn Road. (once owned by Hyndburn Council but unfortunately now empty). I am led to believe that the Con Club we know was built in 1891, 10 years after that article was written. I think a lot more research needs to be done on this matter.

Wynonie Harris 11-12-2012 17:26

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Yes, I think that too especially with phrases like "on the left towards Eagle Street". Yet another handsome edifice that we all probably walk past many times without really noticing it!

Atarah 11-12-2012 17:30

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Hi, I have just remembered something. In Accrington library there is most definitely a SKETCH done by Henry Ross, the local architect. I have just searched through my paperwork at home and unfortunately cant just put my finger on it, but ... I WILL! I am more and more convinced the heading written on Accrington Library "paperwork" does NOT refer to what you have assumed is our famous Accy Con. To be continued ...........
ps no way was Cannon Street ever Blackburn Road! Trust me!

Gordon Booth 11-12-2012 18:00

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It does say ' to erect at the junction of Blackburn Road and Eagle Street, nearly opposite the Railway Hotel'. Is/was the Railway not on the main road?
No mention of steps at the front, just a pointed gateway.
The Conversation room is 'lighted from Blackburn Road' and the Smoke Room 'lighted from Eagle Street'.
I can't see a fine building like that being erected then replaced within 10 years by an even finer one on Cannon Street. Was this a plan which never happened?

Atarah 11-12-2012 18:26

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bit more to add to the puzzle:-
The Conservative Club, Blackburn Road, is a commodious building, opened in September, 1882, the cost of erection being about £4,000. The club was formerly held in premises in Abbey Street, which had become inadequate for the purpose.

Gordon Booth 11-12-2012 18:48

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 1031683)
bit more to add to the puzzle:-
The Conservative Club, Blackburn Road, is a commodious building, opened in September, 1882, the cost of erection being about £4,000. The club was formerly held in premises in Abbey Street, which had become inadequate for the purpose.

So in Sept 1881 they had just started knocking down the old building, by Sept 1882 the new Con club was open. That's good going. It does say in the cutting 'The cost, including the site but exclusive of furniture,will reach £2500' so £4000 seems right.
Then 9 years later they move again to a magnificent newly built Cannon Street!
There may have been a lot of muck but there must have been plenty of brass in Accrington in those days.

Retlaw 11-12-2012 18:52

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I am more and more convinced the heading written on Accrington Library "paperwork" does NOT refer to what you have assumed is our famous Accy Con. To be continued ...........
ps no way was Cannon Street ever Blackburn Road! Trust me![/QUOTE]
The Con Club on Cannon Street is shown on the 1909 street plan where it is today. The present day Cannon St is the 2nd street bearing that name in Accrington, the 1st Cannon St is now Queen St, off Abbey St.

Accrington Lad 11-12-2012 21:34

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1031690)
I am more and more convinced the heading written on Accrington Library "paperwork" does NOT refer to what you have assumed is our famous Accy Con. To be continued ...........
ps no way was Cannon Street ever Blackburn Road! Trust me!

The Con Club on Cannon Street is shown on the 1909 street plan where it is today. The present day Cannon St is the 2nd street bearing that name in Accrington, the 1st Cannon St is now Queen St, off Abbey St. [/QUOTE]
Cheers for the update Retlaw.

Atarah 29-05-2013 00:00

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Well guess what! Today I had the PLEASURE of meeting Ewoodsambo3! Absolute fluke, hadnt a clue who he was, but by picking bits of conversation up, I started thinking it MUST be Ewoodsambo3, and IT WAS!! What a lovely, lovely lad!

cashman 29-05-2013 07:55

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 1060919)
Well guess what! Today I had the PLEASURE of meeting Ewoodsambo3! Absolute fluke, hadnt a clue who he was, but by picking bits of conversation up, I started thinking it MUST be Ewoodsambo3, and IT WAS!! What a lovely, lovely lad!

Was yeh visiting n Asylum Atarah?:D

Atarah 29-05-2013 08:02

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060925)
Was yeh visiting n Asylum Atarah?:D

You know what Cashy, if you ever meet him, you WILL EAT THOSE WORDS. He is a really really nice lad! Trust me!

flashy 16-11-2013 08:17

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Suspicious fire at former Accrington nightclub (From Lancashire Telegraph)

fire at the con club last night..anyone else thinking the same thing as me? insurance job?

jaysay 16-11-2013 12:59

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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 1084052)
Suspicious fire at former Accrington nightclub (From Lancashire Telegraph)

fire at the con club last night..anyone else thinking the same thing as me? insurance job?

can't think of any firm who'd insure it Shaz:rolleyes:

dotti34 18-11-2013 19:35

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Wasn't there a fire there a while back? From what we were told the place was more-or-less gutted then. What a waste of a building it is - was my husband's old stomping ground (was going to say hunting ground but that might conjure up pictures of wild youths chasing after members of the female variety - hmm!!!! maybe that picture fits - don't want to know about it).
I agree, Jaysay, insurance companies don't make their big profits by insuring such places, or if they did the premiums would be huge.

Retlaw 18-11-2013 20:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1084098)
can't think of any firm who'd insure it Shaz:rolleyes:

Would a building like that escape from any insurance, what about 3rd party if it collapses or damages other properties etc.

jaysay 19-11-2013 17:30

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1084505)
Would a building like that escape from any insurance, what about 3rd party if it collapses or damages other properties etc.

There isn't really any damage to be done Walter, if you have an empty house or a factory say, would you insure it:confused:

Barrie Yates 20-11-2013 05:40

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What happens if, through neglect/failure to maintain the property, stonework falls from the building and damages cars or injures people?

cashman 20-11-2013 07:55

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Car gets damaged,or people get hurt.:D

Aussie Irene 20-11-2013 08:02

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1084582)
What happens if, through neglect/failure to maintain the property, stonework falls from the building and damages cars or injures people?

Barrie, it dose not matter if the building is insured. If the insurance company can prove that the claim has been caused through lack of maintenance, and, or neglect, they will not pay. The property owner will have to pay the claim

DtheP47 20-11-2013 08:31

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Originally Posted by Aussie Irene (Post 1084585)
Barrie, it dose not matter if the building is insured. If the insurance company can prove that the claim has been caused through lack of maintenance, and, or neglect, they will not pay. The property owner will have to pay the claim

The council has the power to enforce that the owner of a building keeps it safe and secure,whether it's insured or not. I know thats debateable in the Con's case but the mechanism is there. Private landlords and property owners have been taken to court in the past.

Barrie Yates 20-11-2013 08:53

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1084584)
Car gets damaged,or people get hurt.:D

Smart A...:rolleyes:

gpick24 22-11-2013 14:30

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1084582)
What happens if, through neglect/failure to maintain the property, stonework falls from the building and damages cars or injures people?

Derelict Building Collapses and Crushes Parked Car in Stockport | News North West
While your on a bit of a roll Barrie, can you have a wonder what would happen if I won the Lottery.:D

jaysay 22-11-2013 17:13

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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1084782)
Derelict Building Collapses and Crushes Parked Car in Stockport | News North West
While your on a bit of a roll Barrie, can you have a wonder what would happen if I won the Lottery.:D

Doubt if you'd be bothering about masonry falling from Accy Con:D

Barrie Yates 22-11-2013 18:12

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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1084782)
Derelict Building Collapses and Crushes Parked Car in Stockport | News North West
While your on a bit of a roll Barrie, can you have a wonder what would happen if I won the Lottery.:D

You probably spend time looking for the ticket and then realise that you forgot to buy it:D

gpick24 22-11-2013 19:18

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1084829)
You probably spend time looking for the ticket and then realise that you forgot to buy it:D

I`ll go and get it now.:p

Accy54 12-09-2016 00:12

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I met my first boyfriend at the Con Club early 70s it was the best place to go. That dance floor was fantastic never sat down from entering to leaving. Such a shame to see it in disuse. Still that's the way it goes these days knock down a solid beautiful well built building to replace it with some prefabricated box or worse a car park.

Ryewolf90 13-09-2017 00:10

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I took these of the demolition of Accy Con Club on 21st May 2016, after yet another 'fire'...

http://www.justcode.co.uk/images/dem...crane-4125.jpg

http://www.justcode.co.uk/images/dem...n-men-4083.jpg

http://www.justcode.co.uk/images/dem...men-4097-1.jpg

I live not far away so pass this 'eyesore' most day - and yes I do almost always have my camera with me, almost 14 months later it's still in the same state...


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