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lancsdave 11-02-2007 14:02
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 382114)
Not forgetting keeping an eye on ‘wasted’ time.

The fourth official is told by the referee how much time to add on.

jambutty 11-02-2007 14:05
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Originally Posted by AccyJay (Post 382110)
If you were to punish the cheats by way of video evidence after the match, you could do as follows:

1st offence - 1 game ban.
2nd offence - 2 game ban.
3rd offence - 4 match ban.
4th offence - 8 match ban.

etc etc.

Each offence doubles from the previous one. I think a lot of managers would soon get fed up with the so called star strikers, if they were continually diving, & therefore missing a large part of the season.
Another interesting suggestion but it doesn’t really address the team being sinned against.

For example a player dives in the box gets a penalty and a goal is scored and the team go on to win by that goal. So the diver gets banned for a while and that may affect a result against future teams that his team plays. In the meantime the team that had the ‘illegal’ goal scored against them gets no retribution at all. Not fair to them is it?

Gayle 11-02-2007 14:07
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No Jambutty but it will be 'swings and roundabouts' plus if this sort of thing came in to force it would limit the number of divers long term until it wasn't so much an issue.

AccyJay 11-02-2007 14:07
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 382123)
Another interesting suggestion but it doesn’t really address the team being sinned against.

For example a player dives in the box gets a penalty and a goal is scored and the team go on to win by that goal. So the diver gets banned for a while and that may affect a result against future teams that his team plays. In the meantime the team that had the ‘illegal’ goal scored against them gets no retribution at all. Not fair to them is it?
No, it's not fair to them. But maybe you're team could be playing against somebody whose main goal threat is banned for diving. Thus tipping the balance in your favour slightly.

jambutty 11-02-2007 14:07
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Originally Posted by AccyJay (Post 382112)
How about a 5th official then? Or a video monitor observer?

:confused:
Or perhaps 3 ex-referees?

lancsdave 11-02-2007 14:13
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 382126)
Or perhaps 3 ex-referees?

Where are all these ex-referees going to come from ? There is already one ex-referee at each game as an assessor.

In a few years time they will be lucky to have enough referees for all levels of senior football in this country.The number of games without referees at grass roots level is already over 20% every weekend now. The constant abuse they get and video scrutiny will only increase that percentage, eventually upper levels of the game will feel the knock on from this.

mthead 11-02-2007 14:16
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 382127)
Where are all these ex-referees going to come from ? There is already one ex-referee at each game as an assessor.

In a few years time they will be lucky to have enough referees for all levels of senior football in this country.The number of games without referees at grass roots level is already over 20% every weekend now. The constant abuse they get and video scrutiny will only increase that percentage, eventually upper levels of the game will feel the knock on from this.
You should put yourself forward Dave:D Do you recon you could put up with it again?:D

lancsdave 11-02-2007 14:17
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You should put yourself forward Dave:D Do you recon you could put up with it again?:D

I'm afraid the moderators clamp down on bad language has made sure that my answer to that is not printable :D

AccyJay 11-02-2007 14:19
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 382127)
Where are all these ex-referees going to come from ? There is already one ex-referee at each game as an assessor.

In a few years time they will be lucky to have enough referees for all levels of senior football in this country.The number of games without referees at grass roots level is already over 20% every weekend now. The constant abuse they get and video scrutiny will only increase that percentage, eventually upper levels of the game will feel the knock on from this.
You say where will this money come from, but have we not just had an announcement from Sky that they are putting even more money into the game? Some of this money shoud therefore be given to the referees in their pay packet. In most other occupations, if you do a demanding job, you get a decent wage for it. This could act as an incentive to get more referees at the grass roots level.

:)

mthead 11-02-2007 14:19
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 382129)
I'm afraid the moderators clamp down on bad language has made sure that my answer to that is not printable :D
It would make a change you getting a RED card for foul and abusive language than giving them out.:D

jambutty 11-02-2007 14:25
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 382113)
Ok.

The proposed argument to bring in video replays would slow the game down too much (thus taking away a very large percentage of money being put into the game). Replays for diving, replays for offsides, replays for free-kicks, replays for penalties, replays for throw-ins, replays for corner kicks etc etc. Where does it stop?

Your suggestions are well thought out Jambutty, however involve a lot of erasing the past. It can not be judged by panel anywhere that had the 'illegal goal' not been given by the referee, then the rest of the game would've had the same result, just minus that goal. Thus making football a laughable spectacle full of panels and hearings arguing about the past.

Football's flaws make it the exciting, electric game that it is week in week out, attempting to eradicate them all would make the game dull and lifeless.
Most people will agree that there is too much cheating going on in the game today. I don’t mean just fouling a player but the underhand stuff like pulling a shirt, pushing a player out of the way rather than a fair shoulder charge, diving in the box as well as elsewhere and not forgetting the ubiquitous flailing arms when jumping to head a ball. What about holding out an arm to prevent an opponent from getting near the ball.

I accept that it is difficult not to raise both arms when jumping to head a ball, but watch a player doing so when not challenged by another. The arms don’t go up anywhere as near as much.

I see nothing exciting about my team losing to the only goal that has been gained by a player diving in the box. In fact all that does is create bad blood.

jambutty 11-02-2007 14:28
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Originally Posted by mthead (Post 382118)
Like I said I was stating fact.Sky started the demise with giving more money to the rich clubs.Then came 'The Russian' at Chelski,then 'The Gnome'at Old Trafford and another 'Yank' at Anfield with Gillett.I feel slowly but surely our game is being slowly choked by foreign investment.:mad: :mad: :mad:
But that isn’t part of this topic. Although I agree with you in principle.

mthead 11-02-2007 14:30
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 382133)
Most people will agree that there is too much cheating going on in the game today. I don’t mean just fouling a player but the underhand stuff like pulling a shirt, pushing a player out of the way rather than a fair shoulder charge, diving in the box as well as elsewhere and not forgetting the ubiquitous flailing arms when jumping to head a ball. What about holding out an arm to prevent an opponent from getting near the ball.

I accept that it is difficult not to raise both arms when jumping to head a ball, but watch a player doing so when not challenged by another. The arms don’t go up anywhere as near as much.

I see nothing exciting about my team losing to the only goal that has been gained by a player diving in the box. In fact all that does is create bad blood.
In some circumstances the arms go up naturally to protect ones self aswell.Wouldn't fancy challenging for a ball with Vidic,he doesnt use his arms just thunders in like a bull ready to gore the matador.:)

jambutty 11-02-2007 14:31
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 382121)
The fourth official is told by the referee how much time to add on.
Well there you are then. I always thought that it was the fourth official who determined how much time to add on after consulting with the referee.

We live and learn all the time.

jambutty 11-02-2007 14:36
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No Jambutty but it will be 'swings and roundabouts'
“Swings and roundabouts” Gayle means there will be winners and losers. Would anyone like to be a loser if they were cheated into being a loser?
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plus if this sort of thing came in to force it would limit the number of divers long term until it wasn't so much an issue.
That’s the idea! Stop the divers whilst at the same time rewarding the team for being sinned against!


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