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ummmm,its the gerrard/lamps thing thats would puzzle me in picking a team and formation.one is where he wants to be and does okay so the other is out of place and drifts into a trance,take it in turns so to speak.
anyway attack is the only option,we have to win and a full throttle attacking side of premier league players would wop slovenia surely.
Jesus,i went slovenia last year,its lovely but has a hundred times more trees than people, never mind people who can kick a football !!
3-0
i said that about algeria on friday :mad:

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Think he may have a problem being coherent Wyn his sentences are already littered with urms, what would it be like if he was flustered and having to think what he was saying never mind making it believable:rolleyes:

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A possible explanation fer rooneys abject performance= he may have been instructed to Behave,Keep his Head, etc n is to thick to play in that way?:rolleyes:

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Ditch Lennon (no end product), ditch Johnson (great going forward, unreliable in defence) and ditch Heskey (ineffective).


Bish Bash Bosh.

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Carrager is suspended aint he?:confused: agree wi the rest shaker apart from Wright Phillips.:)

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Right you are, man of cash. Just realised that we don't have any other right full back in the squad aside from Glen Johnson. Looks like Wednesday will be another exercise in watching him get skinned for 90 mins :rolleyes::alright:

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Get geoff hurst managing or coaching em, he knows whats what, and formation to use, ie rooney up front and gerrard off sat behind, both say these are their best positions and would be more confident in them. So capello u stubborn old goat listen and change the pattern of yr team.
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That's the formation I had in mind.. but King is injured and no Carragher.. I don't think there's much between Lennon and Wright-Phillips.
4-4-2 with Heskey as a stiker has not worked..a change to 4-5-1 can't be any worse.
another worry is that even when Capello did change for the last 10mins the other night by playing 3 strikers, it still didn't work! :eek:

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Go the All Whites.. (while all the time thinking of "The charge of the Light Brigade")...

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Just watching the New Zealand game, can't believe the pathetic ref. he must be under instructions to make sure those cheating Ities get through to the next round. Can,t believe the penalty he just gave????? Also the whining and diving, it makes you sick. Where the heck are the men that used to play this game.????

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Well done New Zealand, in every ones eyes, who understand football, know you won that game, only a disgraceful ref robbed you.

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Well done the Kiwis great result, Ryan Nelsons was awesome in defence,

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thought New Zealand did exceptionally well, some great defending, dodgy descisions, was very disapointed wi ivory coast tonight, got away wi far too many bad tackles n the guy who got Kaka sent off, should be suspended fer the whole tournement fer me, ya need action like that to stop these play acting cheaters.:(

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I usually instinctively support the underdog, but that incident put me right off the Coasters. Cheats!

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I agree. I hope he gets banned from every other match. I couldn't believe it when Kaka was red carded:eek:

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Mind you the ref Ref was a French Numpty n was asking the players what happened or did he use his hands in the second goal.:rolleyes:

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I didn't watch the game cashy but have seen the Kaka sending off, what a total disgrace, I only hope FIFA look at this and overturn it, but I'm not holding my breath, it seems that refs are the only people in the world that never make mistakes, well according to the powers that be that is, but we know different;)

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Dont get hopes up too much for wednesday's game we have a german ref, likes his cards too :(
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my hope is very forlorn, england are the worst side ive seen so far.:eek:

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well let me be the first to get this in..

England win......"I reckon the ref did a good job overall"
England draw...." we would have won the game if not for the ref"
England lose... ."dirty orrible bias German nazi scumbag ref".

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i'm just hoping fer a win, think "Terry" who i actually rate as a defender, has cocked up big time wi his arrogant gob, cannot have helped morale to my mind, just hoping it has opposite effect.:eek:

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seems to me some of em have been complaining there bored etc, probably cos there used to pleasing themselves under recent england managers?,now they have to behave like professional footballers there sulking, if the line up fer Algeria during the national anthem is owt to go off, what capello should do after this world cup, is boot all the clever gits into touch, n keep what few aint, n introduce young uns to the team, who are hungry fer sucess, not just expect it, then start wi a team that knows the score from the word go, thats my theory anyway.

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same here.. the way things have worked out looks like Capello can't do without Terry.. and Terry certainly can't do without Capello.anyone who had owt to say has said it..it's now down to football.

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reckon it would be very fitting if Joe Cole started n Terry was dropped.

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In the real world Capello can't afford to drop Terry.. seems to me if there is any "revolt" by the England players Terry is at the helm.. I've said before Gerrard is one of our better players but he is not a leader.. some of the players stick their gobs in but Gerrard keeps stum.. if I was the captian ...Terry ...or any jack head would be on the way home by now.

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I think Joe will start cashy, he has to really as he's the only player we have with flair who can come up with that 1 piece of genius to win a game in a tight situation, seems like Fergie has noticed that too looks like he'll be at the Theatre of Merchandising next season;)

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dont look good for the french team .. getting beat 2-0 by south africa .. mind you with nicholas anelka being sent home due to arguing with the manager ... the players not turning up for training ... what else can go wrong ...

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well Greece were even worse n France, they had to win to go through tonight n played fer a 0-0 draw.:rolleyes:

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They were pathetic cashy, they had their first shot on target in injury time at 90 minutes, then two more, its no use starting in the last two minutes:(

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Ya I felt really sorry for the Frogs, I'm sure that the whole of the Irish republic were heart broken too
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As soon as the French starting their petty whinging & refused to train they should've been sent packing there & then - with the Irish team replacing them in the tournament.
Really enjoyed seeing them beaten again last night & sent home with their tails between their legs - well done South Africa.

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nice idea, not realistic though.:) players are probably on hols, aint match fit etc.

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lol no doubt that the ref will crop up with his critics trust u to get in there 1st:D

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Come on England!!!!!!

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have managed to get home in time for the match .. have had to use up some of my lieu time ... to make sure i was home in time for the beginning ...

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ok ... if England win this .. and end up going through as winners of the group .. the way things stand at the minute they'll be playing Germany in the next round .. do we really want to play Germany?

Yes i know Ghana v Germany tonight ... so what we want if England does win this ..then it has to be Germany to beat Ghana tonight ...

tis half time .. i need another brew .. anyone want one?

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i hope its Germany in next round, think england play better against sides wi a better pedigree, no disrespect to ghana, but who are they?:confused:

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we now through as the runners up .. so we need ghana to draw at least and serbia to win ...

Group D teams W D L GD PTS
Ghana 1 1 0 1 4
Germany 1 0 1 3 3
Serbia 1 0 1 0 3
Australia 0 1 1 -4 1

then again .. it could be any one of em .. even australia could go through if they score enough goals to get rid of that goal difference .... and the other result goes their way ...:D

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Thier first achievement would be to have 11 men left on the pitch at the end of the game :D

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Well its the krauts on sunday should be a cracker n reckon if england are on there game like 1918, n 1945, we will stuff em.:D

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Faggot Yanks...has anyone seen the TV interview with the US Captain Donavan,,,what a wimp...the same goes for their coach.

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GO THE ALL WHITES (in Black).

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they got a good draw today john, no disgrace in that, oer all had a good world cup, theres a bright side to yer group - Italys goin home.:D;)

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Damn right, eh. Wasn't there some sort of comment in the English press back in '66 (us old farts remember things like that:D), something to the effect that if the Germans beat England at their national game, fans could console themselves that we had beaten them twice at their national sport:theband:

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So both of last time's finalists are gone .... this should take some of the heat off the English squad ... at least they are still in it, and in it with a chance. If you discount that god-awful screw up in the first game, England have yet to concede a real goal!

I have read several posts suggesting that what England needs is more home grown talent, a more concentrated effort to develop young English players. I know that using the Italians as an example is possibly inappropriate right now:D, but if you look at the team rosters in Serie A, you will find probably over 60% of the players are Italian, rather than high-priced imports. In the Premier League, I doubt if 30% of the players are English:mad:

It's no secret why Canadians dominate our national sport: Canadian kids are involved in organized hockey from the time that they can lace on skates. There are summer schools for players where NHLers teach the kids the finer points of the game. And not only the boys ... there are more girls and women playing hockey in Canada, than in the rest of the world put together. Anyhow, enough hockey: there is probably a wealth of English football talent that goes to waste, because the big Premier League teams spend mega bucks to import foreign players. It's the Americanization of football. In the big leagues, it ain't about sport anymore, it's about making a buck. Talking of which, my buddy Mario Gencarelli should be showing up soon with $50.00 form me, which I will haul up to the liquor store and convert into Lancaster Bomber:)

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Poor sods, I just hate to see grown men cry:D:D:D

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this made me laugh ..

BBC News - A German view on English football

especially the last couple of lines ...

I disagree with him. Part of me hopes we lose against England.

After all, who wants to meet Argentina in the quarter final?

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Just watched Brazil and Portugal draw 0-0 what a load of tosh, must be the worst match so far by supposedly two of the best teams:mad:

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was nowt too play fer really, it was crap, but understandable, better n us, we played crap when it mattered.:D

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Cant believe i'm saying this but i actually enjoyed watching the Japs yesterday!!....Still think Spain will win it, but overall ive not had much fun watching..in fact watching the Tennis at Wimbledon has been better...much better!!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Wimbledon? its more fun watching the Puffs n Lesbians down accy.:D

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You been suppin at Tricketts Cafe again??

Its been better than the World cup though Cashy...which shows how crap the footys been!:D

Best Regards - Taggy

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This was then.. but could it be again?:)... click (watch on youtube)

YouTube - England 5 - 1 Germany

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I sure hope so Mancie, will settle fer whooping the krauts.:D

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i reckon we will do germans.already looking forward to argies next friday at 3 pm

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Wimbledon Taggy they've just painted a door outside my gaff you have my permission to come and watch it dry;)

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agree, but aint lookin forward to goin home.:eek:

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Oh yee of little faith;):D

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Little Faith- Yeh, Much Hope. definately no Charity if the odds are good will back the argies. n hope i lose.:D

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Nout like edging your bets:D

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Germany are the youngest team in the World Cup - England are, so I'm told, the oldest - do the statistics!

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Whats that got to do with the price of fish;)

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I've actually quite enjoyed it this year Jaysay, been more entertaining than most world cup games...and the footballers could sure learn a thing or two about fitness from them! :D

Best Regards - Taggy

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Personally i prefer watching the loo flush.:D

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Whateva gets you through the day Cashy!!:D


Best Regards - Taggy

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I have watched it in years past, sure think the likes of Anna, Maria, make excellent viewing, some of their ground shots a wonderful:rolleyes: :D

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i used to love watching wimbledon, when there were real characters in the game, but this lot these days bore the arse off me.

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No good us bleating about the goal that never was, outplayed JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.:(

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well that was a load of

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:D I think that just about sums it up.. and the England player ratings:

James - 3 - defence did him no favours

Johnson - 1
Terry - 1
Upson - 0 but he scored so 2
Cole - 4 - at least he tried.

Gerrard -1
Lampard - 4 - Englands man of the match. not that difficult
Milner - 2.
Barry - 1 -

Rooney - 1.
Defoe - 1

Heskey - 0 comes on when your 4-1 down? ..someones taking the pish! :(

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Sorry... filtered out. What I meant was.......

Scheiße

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Well Mancie I can't actually understand why Heskey was on the plane in the first place, Crouch is a better footballer, better in the air on the deck and he scores goals, Heskey don't even get 3 out of 10 for artistic impression when he does a swan dive:(

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And neither were the officials:(

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One disallowed goal on the part of the officials is no excuse for the worst example of English football incompetence since the advent of the game. Hang your head in shame, Jaysay.

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Disgusted at the performance of the England players - is it the players or the management. Did we play like Premier Clubs do? If not why not? That is the style they are used to.
Perhaps an English manager with Premier League experience is what is needed. Not many to choose from as there are only about 10 or so English managers:
How about a choice from - Hodgson, Allardyce or Coppel, but I do think that Hodgson is too nice a bloke to be given the poisoned chalice.

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It's disappointing, and of course the Frank Lampard goal should have stood. But we were clearly second best. It's painful to have to admit that.But it happens to be the case.

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Tealeaf ya should know better. Torys have no shame.:D

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Once again England attempting & failing to achieve, after the indignity & humiliation of their on screen performance I'm going to have to bear the brunt of the Germans taking the pish for the next week or so ! Oh well done England :mad:

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Let's face it, we just didn't start to play till we were 2 nil down, then played ok for the last 10 minutes of the first half, scored a goal & put ourselves back in the game.
The goal that was disallowed was very unfortunate but I thought the unfairness of it might inspire the lads to come out fighting in the second half - how wrong could I be!
If that's the cream of English football, I'm a dutchman - roll on 7th August when I can start watching real footie again

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Speed, energy and 4 - 1 ;)

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Absolutely disgusting - IMHO this comes from having a foreign manager who does not select/play to the strengths of the Premier League players - without doubt, the strongest league in the world, yet he changes the system they play week in - week out
:-(((

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...it might also have something to do with the players being a bunch of overpaid, spoiled, petulant prima donnas who, for the most part, have no pride in their country and no regard for the fans who travel thousands of miles to watch them, being far more concerned about their over-inflated wage packets and their luxury lifestyles. :mad:

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Its wierd..how many shots on target does a top premier league side have in champons league fixture maybe 10 ..double what england had today..plus english sides defending in champs league usually good ? why not at international level..weve been beat by a bunch of inexperienced youngsters

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englands goal .... well according to this it wasnt .... :D:D:D



hijacked from rossendale online ...

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Think you got it in one Steve, just a shame the prima donnas don't get it!!! They were a disgrace, unfortunately they will still be paid their over inflated wages in the not to distant future!!!!

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Suitable punishment would be to make them spend the 10 hour flight home rubbing/applying 'Dubbin' to their boots ;) :D

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HUP ORANJE HUP !!! :D So you'll be watching them stuff Slovakia this aft then ? I certainly hope so :D

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Got to agree with the Man ! No pride & no commitment, self centred & egotistical, as Cashy stated, sack em all & get some youngsters who'll play for Pride & Honour.

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Total agreement - but I still feel that the manager has to bear the brunt od the criticism. After all he chooses the squad, selects the team and decides the tactics.
He selected injured players, out of form players, donkeys (Heskey has not scored since February), players who play well in one formation do not necessarily play well in another format - don't ask me why, but few Premier League teams play 4-4-2, and certainly in Europe, where we are strong in all competitions the teams almost always play 4-5-1.
If you look at the consistently strong teams in the world, then the chances are that the manager is a national of that country and was an international player.
The answer - I don't know. Perhaps the manager should be chosen by a small panel of ex internationals and not the plonkers in Soho Square - perhaps they should fall on their swords first.

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Have just listened to Gerrard, telling us it was that "Goal" that made the differance, spineless, no backbone,:( 3 lions, Englands Captain! yer having a laugh didn't even have the guts to say we were crap, :mad:

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Only two words to say to you and the second ones OFF:D

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Sorry Wyn but the likes of Messi and Kaka are paid far more than England team members yet they always seem to play to their strenths

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Obviously that explains it:rolleyes:

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yeh mate but neither play in england, does that not tell ya summat?

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Not really, there are plenty of foreigners play here and are playing quite well in South Africa, the problem is much deeper than that, Rooney plays a lone striking roll for MU Gerrard plays centre mid field for Liverpool, Heskey warms the bench at Villa, Terry and Upson were our third choice central defencive partnership, to me the only player that plays for England he way he pays at club level is Ashley Cole and I never thought I'd say that

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i honestly think our superstars in general are overated crap, i watched Paulo Wanchope, fer malaga when i lived in spain, he was crap here, yet looked a worldbeater fer them. perhaps many of the foreign players here don't get sucked into the "english" way?:confused:

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I would've thought you'd be the first one to complain when somebody dishonours our country but you're obviously blind to any criticism of your precious premier league.

Messi and Kaka probably regard it as an honour to play for their country; the majority of the England team don't and it shows on the field. :mad:

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Well said, Wynonie. It was obvious to any reasonably knowledgeable fan a month ago that this was going to happen and I am now totally bored by the entire campaign post-mortem. I was even bored with the match yesterday so much so that I switched over to one of the shopping channels and started to write my response to the fiasco on here.

That it is the Premier League that is primarily responsible for this is a no-brainer - although it is not the only reason. I did not wish to see this game in a pub yesterday because I know that the people who would be doing the most shouting for heads to roll would be the supporters of "English" Premiership clubs.

The simple truth is that you cannot be a supporter of a team which is comprised of a bunch of foreign mercenaries and at the same time be an England supporter. In fact, it's worse than that - if you support the likes of BRFC, MUFC, Chelsea or Arsenal you are a traitor to your country, just as much a traitor as someone who hands over state secrets to enemies of the Crown.

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Strange choice, my cousin is one of the presenters on one of those channels, and he's more boring than any England game :D

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At least you can get a desired result from a shopping channel.