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Maybe not stones, but a couple of smallish pebbles in light of my slips ! :D The point of it is, Effin & Jeffin will happen, it's a fact of life, how many times do you hear it on TV, down the Pub, at work, round the park ? Added to that some of them using it are kids as young as 6-7, let alone the older generation of professionals Male & Female, I myself am not averse to using offensive & abusive language at times.

But what Rooney did was in your face, pugnacious & intended to cause the maximum effect of reaction & as such he deserved to be punished & harshly. If you watch the footage you see him swear at the crowd (read the lips) that he'd have gotten away with as it's an everyday occurrence & you see it at many levels throughout the game but it wasn't directed at anyone in particular (Okay away fans) but it was lost on the crowd, but when he turned to look directly into the camera & repeat his epithet, then he crossed the line & action was bound to follow.

Ferguson has no room to bleat (at present serving a touchline ban) as you're aware Rooney has form & again Fergie isn't exactly whiter than white is he ? The expression lead by example comes to mind & if that's the case what example has fergie set ? Why hasn't he reigned Rooney in in the past ? No the lads an idiot & he's brought it on himself. Hopefully he'll learn his lesson & next time keep his mouth shut, failing that keep his "opinions" away from a camera.

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Whats betting he gets the two match ban removed and replaced with a fine, surprise me if it isn't

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If the other clubs can't stop them winning the Premiership - again, then the FA will certainly do their best to stop them.
May be a blessing in disguise for us - so 2 league matches out, but that means he will be fresh for the Champion's League matches - Champion's League Jay, realise you have never competed in that:rolleyes:, DinG's lot have though:D
No way you will be competing next year either Jay, might be in a fight to get out of the Championship, but then again, your lot could go into freefall:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout Is it the penultimate match when United could win the Premiership and Rovers could be relegated - that will be a match to watch;);):D:D

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You cheeky sod:eek:, the scum have more matches given them by refs who are two frightened of upsetting that drunken Scots bloke, think they're usually good for 15 to 20 points a season, anyway looking forward to tonight's game, full house, passionate fans, a good unbiased ref and Lionel Messi too, should be a great match:tongueout:tongueout

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Mmmm. No gloating from the plastics. Mustn't have been impressed with their win over chelski. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Well I didn't watch it Alan watched Barca instead, but have seen shots of the ref bottling another decision in the last few minutes:(

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Yep even Red nose Fergy knew twas a penalty, but hadn't the guts to say so...........nowt new yon.:rolleyes:

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But we won and again today, getting more and more certain it is United's Premiership to lose:tongueout - been a good week for Stanley too, perhaps we will hear someone blowing the Stanley trumpet before long - of course very unlikely we will hear a Rover's trumpet - maybe if they get in the Championship play-offs next season:eek::eek::D
C'mon then you Stanley fans, are they going to carry on and get into the play-offs, or are they going to fade - an extra 2 points today against a team quite a few places lower would have strengthened their position:rolleyes::D

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Can't be having that cashy.. if there's one thing Fergie has.. it's guts! ;)

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We never gloat.. a win at Chelski is a fantastic result for any team.. who knows.. even you lot might do it someday!:D

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Who knows? They certainly have the ability, but whether they do it or not is in the lap of the gods. Even if they don't make the play-offs, we'll be happy enough with our most successful season since the Galbraith era and guess what, Barrie?...not a writ in sight! It's great to see your hometown club do well.

Incidentally, Barrie, you'd have loved it in Piccadilly Gardens this afternoon. Plenty of plastics including some Japs, all dressed up like Christmas trees in nice, shiny new gear from the Theatre of Merchandising. That should help to pay off the debt!

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After watching the Rovers game I reckon they did fight well and the end they were the better team...the no chance they will go down.. I'll say it again any success United get this season will be down to hard work.. same goes for Stanley.;)

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Not at all, that is not what I said - just pointed out that most people - men, boys, women and girls - and children, use those words - and more than likely they heard their parents using them first - walk around town with your ears open:rolleyes:;):D

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OH i do n am well aware of the fact, have a foul mouth meself, what a national icon did was a completely different thing, but yer too biased to admit the fact,:tongueout

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Also got the winning habit with his football teams - even before United.

Wyn, they come from all over the world on one of the hospitality packages - I can't afford one.

I really do hope that Stanley are successful and then in another year we will be able to see Stanley beating Rovers - either in the Championship or in League 1 - but if Rovers go into free-fall they could easily be in the league below Stanley:eek::eek::D

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So only Wyn can blow a trumpet for his beloved team? Keep it up Sir:D:D:D

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YA but they don't get paid millions a year and go shouting it down the throat of a TV camera, mind you the Mancs have always defended the indefensible, that's whey their know by true football fans as scum

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The prospect of both Rovers and Burnley in the championship, and Stanley in the first division is an interesting one. It would certainly not do Stanley's gates any arm in my opinion.It probably won't happen though.

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I was thinking more of Rovers going into free-fall and joining Stanley in Division 1 in a couple of seasons time:rolleyes::D:D

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Well, well, well ! At long last some return for the investment in Carroll (2 Goals tonight) & the Flying Dutchman Kuyt on the money again 3 up at HT, nice, let's have some more second half ! :D

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So a comfortable 3-0 against Manky City, I can live with that. :)

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Great result for your lot DinG, a late surge? It has also given the Council house Tenants possible problems for Saturday - can't understand how Balotelli was tactically substituted 7 minutes after going on???:????:D
It is great when other NW teams can score that many goals - pity they can't all do it:rolleyes:;):D

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I still think the third goal last night was an OG, and not Carrol

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Lucky enough to be sat in the Anny Road last night to watch a team click big time.

Suarez is a class apart and is already a big Kop Hero but this lad has the credentials and the tricks to be the best in the Premiership alongside Carroll Liverpool next season with a bit of strenghening in defence have a real chance of pushing on to challenge for honours.

A simple question who has the bigger re-building job in the Summer United or Liverpool?

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The reason United have looked so good is by default, Arsenal blow hot and cold, Chelski, cocked up big style when they sacked Wilkins, everything went belly up after that, City for all their money do not play as a team, Liverpool made a big mistake when they appointed Hodson, they'd have been better keeping the fat waiter, Spurs were never going to be good enough and to Me those are the only clubs in with any realistic chance of winning the Prem.

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I've seen some long winded explanations of why one team are the best in the league ( ie they have more points than anybody else ), that has to be up with best :D

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But if you care to check the points total by the top team is well of what the norm is at this stage of the season, meaning nobodies playing to their full potential, certainly United aren't, in comparison to other seasons their away form is terrible.

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I have to admit that we are playing crap, so far below the standard which has become the norm since the formation of the Premier League - few glitches on the way when one or other team has excelled themselves for a short time.
However, if we are playing crap and are still top of the league, FA Cup and European Championship semi-finalists, then the other teams are even crappier, especially the local team that is dicing with relegation from the Premiership:tongueout
Stanley trying hard for the playoffs, Scousers making a late surge - well they have won the last match, but Rovers hoping that other teams slip up and allow them to stay in the Premiership - will the owners chicken out if they get relegated:eek:;):D:tongueout

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I don't see how a team that comes back from 2-0 down at West Ham and wins 2-4..beats Chelsea at Stamford Bridge ..beats Fulham and then beats Chelsea again can be playing crap!.. must be me:confused:

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Crap by our normal standards Mancie, fortunately not total crap for the whole of the games. A good job we aren't at our best or the bookies would already have paid out.
As for Jay's particular bete noir, well, think he is in double figures again - one of 4 players I think, how many teams have that:D:D:D

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So we are out of one of them, still got two more to go for though. More than can be said for many teams.
Hope Jaysay is OK, not had him having a go for a while, but as a Rovers supporter there isn't much to crow about his own team anyway, but of course they do have something to aim for - staying in the Premier League:eek::eek::D:D:tongueout

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Didn't play well today.. looked abit lack lustre.. now we have the scousers away at Arsenal..got to say I've always respected Liverpool and hold them, and thier supporters, in the highest regard.. come on you scouse bastards! :D

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Seems the Mankys from City wanted it more today than the Mankys of U, not a bad game from a neutrals point, but Manky U didn't seem to be sparking until to late in the day. 10 men & last 20 mins, still you can concentrate on Europe now, I've been to Schalke & seen them play, they'll be wanting it so Manky U are really going to have to work hard if they want to get on.

And this is them, their fans are right noisy, S04 Konigs Blau. :D

YouTube - STIMMUNG AUF SCHALKE

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Sod the Champions League.. I don't think we can win it... don't want to be fielding weakend teams in the Prem just to progress in the CL.. the Prem should be the only target.

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I'd say you've got that sown up, The Arse & Chelski aren't exactly setting things on fire of late, so I'd say the League's Manky U's for the losing.

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Hate to say it, could not agree more with Dave. ******

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One Barrie theres only one winner of the Champs league and it ain't United:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger

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YouTube - Blue Moon - Chris Isaak

Here's one just for you Barrie

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It is one more than Rovers can acheive:tongueout Perhaps we will be seeing Rover's videos every Christmas soon - The Great Escape or not:alright::D:D:D

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Anybody seen Ferdinand's comments on the handbags with Balotelli at the end of the Saturdays match, it appears he wasn't impressed at him celebrating in front of the Plastic Fans (those who hadn't already caught the tube back the the leafy suburbs of Surrey that is) instead of his own, He might do well to have a word with Garry Neville who would never do a thing like that!!!!!! would he?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Perhaps Balotelli will get the same punishment that Neville got - bear in mind that Neville was defending in front of the KOP, but perhaps Balotelli will get more as the PL/FA are clamping down and dishing out stricter punishments:alright:

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Thanks DinG, great result by your lot:D, of course some supporters would rather their clubs lose than do something in United's favour - Oh sorry, now such a squeaky rear time at Ewood that they now have to try and win anything, so they might help us, looking forward to the penultimate match, I think it is, of course we could already have won it by then, but also Rovers could have been relegated.:tongueout:tongueout:D

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I love this we bit, The theatre of merchandising is down the M66 but mind your way when you leave the motorway you could get lost, its a minefield these days, changed since 1965:cool:

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Whatever happens to Rovers,Burnley,Stanley, in fact "All" Local teams, i feel sure it will be much easier to bare, if United win sod all.?:hehetable

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I'm wondering who are the "local" teams on here.. seems to me there are more scousers than owt else. .anyway the match agin Rovers might boil down to a title win or lose game..last year it was a draw at near end of season some say cost us the Prem .. same thing might happen again but one things for sure... it will be rovers biggest gate of the season .. and they will be local supporters from Lancs.!

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I was referring to local teams to the area, a difficult concept to grasp fer some i know, fer example when i lived in Spain, i never supported Real Madrid er Barcelona, i watched the local team, which happened to be unfashionable Malaga.:rolleyes:

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Ok I've been & seen Schalke 04 a couple of times, but that was with a German friend who's "Konigs Blau" & has been all his life, the local team here is Vfl Osnabrück, so you keep an eye on them & when we go to Holland, the area we stay in is Twente, so it's FC Twente (Steve McClaren did a stint as manager) when we're there, we also enjoy the local brew Grolsch. :D

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I'd sooner support Ossy St Mary's than the ******* from Plastic Land :D

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So what is your determination for "local" - do Bolton, Preston, Blackpool, Bury, Wigan, Liverpool, Everton and the two Manchester sides fall outside of your geographical definition of "local"?

Nowadays with all the motorways travel times are very short to any of those grounds. As a schoolboy half a crown would take me to any of those and pay my entrance - so why not go and see the great players of that era rather than the mediocre bunch from North of the Border. :tongueout:tongueout:tongueout

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You just can't take some people anywhether can you, wonder who's the guilty party from the hole in the wall gang

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In the true aspect I'd say your home Town, the place you were born & raised, admittedly if you move away at a very early age & are raised somewhere else I'd think the adoption of that "Local" home Town team could be justified.

I'm a Scouser, Red through & through, but I could just as easily have been a Blue or at a pinch a Rovers (Tranmere), but family ties led to being a Red. The likes of your Mankys City & Utd, Blackburn, Bolton, Blackpool, Stanley ;) & so on are local North West teams but not my home team, so I think the statement should be more about a home team as opposed to local team. :)

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Robbed again tonight.. stone cold penalty on Hernadez in the last minute.. can't imagine much of a fuss will be made of it in the press or on here...but if it was the other way round:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Mancie , I think you should appear on BBC as William Wallace for the fergi man.
You are sounding more like Arsen Winger every day. :D:alright:

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No mention of the one Newcastle should have had just before half time?:D

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Anderson got the ball first.. lost yer specs Cashy? ;):D

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Quite right, Dave, but that falls on deaf ears with Barrie - hometown loyalty is an alien concept to him! :rolleyes:

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Freedom of choice mate - as with most things in life. :tongueout:tongueout:tongueout

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They will have their bitch again Mancie - I notice that only DinG says anything about his team, the losers have got nothing they can say about theirs - Rovers in pucker mode and Stanley not paying the players on time.;):D:D

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As long as the Bollikticians, Police, social services, local council, resident street full-of-myself-&-I-know-my-rights-pillock, plastic plod, one of the great offended by whateverists ......... do I need to go on ? Doesn't have something to say, maybe ! :D You can enjoy a choice. ;)

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Ya but its a poor sort of a man who picks a big city club over his home town club just because they stand a better chance of winning trophies.;)

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Been supporting them longer than you have supported Rovers:gooddog::D

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So yeh always bin a glory hunter?:D

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Yep, that's right and if it's a choice between supporting a club from a town with which I have no connections by watching them on TV...or standing on the terraces with my mates and other fellow Accringtonians enjoying the craic while I watch my hometown club I know which I'll go for. No contest!

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Only because your older:tongueout I went to my first match at Ewood when I was 4, 61 years ago

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Don't you mean 1861.
:hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::D:D:D

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The walls not big enough alan:D:D 61 years ya toucan:D

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:hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall: :hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall: :hidewall::p:hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewal l::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::D

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I'll still swerve one over the top Alan:D

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The first football match I ever saw was a team in Blue & White quarters against one in Red & White stripes.
It was at Ewood Park and my Uncle told me to watch the No 7 in Red & White - Yes, Stanley Matthews playing for Stoke before he went to Blackpool. Didn't encoyrage me to support Rovers though - they had those horrible thick cups to put the Bovril in, quite crude really so I eventually decided on class some 6 or so years later.:D:D

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Ha-ah! NOW I understand where it all went wrong. If your Uncle had taken you to Peel Park for your first ever match, things might have been different and you might have been standing on the Clayton End tomorrow. Still...it's not too late... :)

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Something that sounds like what they put the oars in when rowing a boat - already booked to be in the Queens tomorrow for the early kick off:D

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It will be on in oaklea, then yeh can pop down the crown wi wyn n i.:D

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And what would he have done for 40 years in between:rolleyes:

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Ya Barrie QPR V Cardiff looks like it will be one hell of a game;)

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[quote=jaysay;900244]Ya Barrie QPR V Cardiff looks like it will be one hell of a game;)[/quote

Nah, you know who it was - a good game too, Everton defended well and there was some good football. However, another step nearer the 19th title - need a tissue DinG?
Great win for Stanley as well, maybe the players got their pay before the match:rolleyes: but they are well placed now, let's hope they can keep it up.
Even the scousers came to life - got over the shock yet DinG?
Perhaps we should have more St George's Days;)
Nervous weekend for you Jay, but you can do a lot to crush the Council Tenants ambitions and help DinG's lot - mind you that means you have to win a game :tongueout:tongueout

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[quote=Barrie Yates;900436]Looks like I might be breaking the habits of a lifetime and visiting the accursed place! :eek:

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[QUOTE=Wynonie Harris;900454]well if i have, i hope i have a more ceremonious exit this time.:eek::D

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[quote=Barrie Yates;900436]Na a great 2-2 draw no red nosed manager telling the forth official what messages to convey to the ref, a really good entertaining game, oh and two sets of loyal supporters supporting their hometown clubs, very good really;)

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[QUOTE=jaysay;900538]Watched first half of it B4 departing fer oaklea, cracking match, 2 good sides.:)

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[quote=cashman;900569]Looks like the quotings going silly again wrong quots to wrong people:rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=jaysay;900597]Hey thats my excuse when i cock up.:D

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[quote=cashman;900599]Shushhhhhhhhh Neil will sort it out:);)

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[quote=cashman;900599]You Cashy, I just can't see that;);)

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All I can say is that I hope other Lancashire clubs are as dedicated as Bolton are to the Premiership coming to where it belongs - Lancashire, as a generalisation, in reality The Theatre of Dreams, it's rightful home - at least it has spent more time there than anywhere else.
It is now certainly United's to lose, not for someone else to win it, just as the reverse is true for Rovers, they can't survive unless other clubs lose.;):D:D

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I had a pretty good week-end really, the "Pool" kicking butt, "Stanley" kicking butt, and a fridge full of Grolsch while spending time in that there Holland. FC Twente (adopted Dutch team :D a bit like Stanley, only they talk funny ........ having said that though !:s_aim1:) also kicked butt & are top of the table & lumps of beasts to chuck on the grill, sunshine & tiddler bashing & best of all, a non nagging contented Wifey ! Lordy ! Take me now as it won't get any better than this ! ;)

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You didn't happen to repatriate the beer fridge to a hidden location before you wrote that did you, or did someone slip you some Amstel Gold? Your lot did good DinG:D:D:D

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Saw a few minutes of the match Jay - they did try at times, would have loved to see you beat the Council Tenants. Maybe things will go better for you this week - really do hope that we don't put you down in the penultimate match - life just won't be the same without Rovers in the Premiership.:D:D:D

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I'm just hoping that we beat the Plastics and save ourselves and help Chelski win the title:D

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Must admit a liking for the "Gold" Barrie, but manners & politeness (yeah I know, an alien concept to some) decreed that as I was in the area, the local brew was to be imbibed, plus the frowns from our Dutch friends would've been far too much to bear.

Also to further pile on insolence "Amstel" being an Amsterdam Beer & the home town of Ajax (presently 2nd in the table & 1 point behind Twente) these bitter rivals whom they have to play twice within a week at the very end of the season 2010-11 in fact the last 2 games (8th May Dutch Cup final & 15th May last game of the season) certainly wouldn't have won friends or influenced people ! ;) :D

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Hey Dave I've been brushing up on my German for tonight's match vorsprung durch technik lets hope schalke have brushed up on the footy technology for tonight's shindig:D:D:D

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Ha ..after all the years of supporting Rovers you should know by now that hope don't mean anything.. a team needs guts (and decent players)..:D... maybe in Rovers case the only "hope" is that the teams around them lose..:D

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may be a case of nail on head yon.:eek:

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Here'a tune for german dave and the other collaborators (jaysay).. you lot would have been shot at dawn in 1941.. and to my mind would have been justice...:) Jaysay.."Hey Dave I've been brushing up on my German for tonight's match vorsprung durch technik lets hope schalke have brushed up on the footy technology for tonight's shindig"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HLvz2c8SnQ

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We just seemed to have more players on the pitch - I can imagine Jay weeping into his cocoa when he learnt of the result - I am sure he would not have watched it. Anyway, being a Rovers supporter he is only used to seeing opposition teams playing good footbal - Wembley here we come;):D:tongueout

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To right I didn't watch it I'm sick of seeing these foreign plonkers like Je Sun Park play football, so I decided to watch snooker, I'll tell you what that Ding Je Chn's a great little player:D

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Watched it on the German telly, as I couldn't get it on the British channels :mad: Schalke just weren't there if it hadn't been for Neuer, the scoreline would've been a damn site higher, even the German commentators highlighted S04's poor organisation at the back & lack of effort up front. Although Manky U weren't outstanding they made more chances & got a result that's just the way of it.

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Compared to the way they played against Milan they were bloody awful Dave, as you say but for the goalie it would have been a cricket score, what should have been a great spectacle and an entertaining game was a complete flop, and yes Barrie I did watch it:D:p

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Aw ! Thanks for that Mancie, how very thoughtful of you doing something nice for a Scouse Git like me. ;) Cheers Mate & you a Manky U Fan as well. You know what they're like when they've had a few ! Always kicking off, aggravating someone or other, being noisy, chopsy & annoying ....... hang on a minute ..... them bluddy Germans can be a bit like that too ! :D