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It's a funny world isn't it? Imagine for a minute that Paul Robinson, having dropped a ball over his goal-line at Old Trafford, claws the ball back out and appeals for a goal are waved away by the referee. Imagine the reaction from the likes of Ferguson and Roy Keane. Anger? You bet. Disbelief? Sure. There'd be a national enquiry into the incident and in due course United, I'm sure, would be awarded all three points and the linesman who got it wrong would make a public apology.
But we all know what really happened. It was Roy Carroll, you know, the United keeper. And do you think Ferguson could lower himself to speak about the incident? No. In classic Ferguson style, he claims United were unjustly denied a penalty.
One thing I have not seen commented on yet after last night's Tottenham goal - for that is what it was - is that Carroll must have been aware that the ball had crossed the line, even if the officials were not.
Everyone is rightly offended when a forward 'simulates' a foul in the penalty area and fraudulently earns a penalty from which a side scores - there have even been calls for penalising teams and players after games when this happens - so why is it OK for a goalkeeper to pretend to save a goal when he knows he hasn't?

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it only happens to man ure.

remember when the ref ignored sahas blatant handball at ewood park and smith scored from it.

Fergie also forced the 4th official to add an extra minute on to the 3 mins that the ref wanted

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Man U v Spurs decision explained

An FA spokesman after the game absolved the linesman of any responsibility
for the apparently mistaken decision not to award a goal to Spurs after a
shot from the halfway line crossed the goal line by at least a metre.
"The shot came in from an unusual distance and as such caught the linesman
out of position forcing him race back towards the goal as the play
developed", explained the spokesman, "As he ran, the United scarf he was
wearing under his shirt came loose and fluttered up into his face obscuring
his view and preventing him from making the call. It was just one of those
things."

In response to further questions from the Press the spokesman explained "If
they don't already have a United tattoo most officials on game day try to
wear a scarf or a replica shirt under their regulation kit to show their
support for the worlds greatest club. The linesman in this case had chosen
to wear a United scarf, a common choice that is in keeping with FA
guidelines. The root cause of the problem lies not with the linesman but
with the players and management of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club who
broke one the most important unwritten rules of the English FA: They placed
a shot on target at Old Trafford. Martin Jol is new to this country and
perhaps he s not yet familiar with some of our finer traditions. If he
doesn't yet understand that for the greater good of the game visiting
teams, by tradition, are not expected to try to score at Old Trafford then
our officials are in a position to help Mr Jol make that cultural
adjustment."

Chuckling to himself the FA spokesman added "The goal had to be disallowed
to avoid us descending down a slippery slope that would be bad for the
national game. It's a fine line the officials have to walk. If they award a
goal this week, next week someone might expect to get a penalty or demand
that Van Nistelrooy be booked for diving. Can you imagine? That would just
never do. No no no. Shocking, just the thought of it."

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Brilliant I couldnt have put it better Entwistle.

Fans all over Britain are calling for video technology to be used during football matches after Manchester United’s controversial draw with Tottenham at Old Trafford.
A spectator said “It can only be a good thing. After sitting through that 0-0 sh*te, I wish I could have switched over to a video instead.”
http://canaries-dre.co.uk/sitebuilde...es/carroll.jpg

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Definitely a save

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that is an absolute disgraceful desicion. I couldnt help laughin at Roy Carrol straight after his mistake, he kept glancing at the linesman, he was ****tin it

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Found this on Football365.........

The record books will say Roy Carroll kept a clean sheet at Old Trafford - but the Ulsterman will never be allowed to forget the howler that should have given Tottenham victory. And he's certainly not the first...
The keeper is in good company because even the very best in United's recent history have made major errors.
January 4, 2005 - Roy Carroll v Tottenham (Premiership)
After rushing from his area to make a clearance, Carroll was forced to scamper back as Spurs' Pedro Mendes launched a 55-yard effort at the United goal. Carroll got back but then failed to hold onto the ball, dropping it at least a yard over his own line. The quick-thinking Ulsterman scooped the ball out and neither referee Mark Clattenburg nor assistant Robert Lewis was able to confirm the goal and play was waved on.
November 23, 2004 - Roy Carroll v Lyon (Champions League)
United were leading 1-0 when Mahamadou Diarra picked up Juninho's short pass 35 yards out. The Mali international tried his luck anyway but, though his shot was powerful, Carroll appeared to have it covered. Inexplicably, the keeper let the ball slip through his grasp and bounce into the net.

September 15, 2004 - Tim Howard v Lyon (Champions League)
On the back foot as Lyon take the early initiative, United were still level when Brazilian midfielder Juninho lined up a long-range free-kick. Howard watched it fly through a crowd of bodies but couldn't cling onto the ball, dropping it at the feet of Cris, who swiftly put the hosts in front.

March 9, 2004 - Tim Howard v Porto (Champions League)
In fairness, not the worst mistake ever but the consequences of it were fairly severe. Leading on away goals in the final minute of the second leg, United had to defend a free-kick 20 yards out. Benni McCarthy fired it towards the top corner and while Howard did well to keep it out, he could only claw it straight back into the six-yard box, where Costinha tapped eventual champions Porto into the last eight.

November 25, 2001 - Fabien Barthez v Arsenal (Premier League)
A typically hard-fought Highbury encounter looked to be heading for a draw when Barthez's dismal attempted clearance landed straight at the feet of Thierry Henry, who
duly dispatched the ball past his international team-mate. Within two minutes, Barthez had blundered again, losing possession in a tackle with Henry and seeing the Arsenal tap the ball into an empty net.

October 17, 2001 - Fabien Barthez v Deportivo La Coruna (Champions League)
Barthez and Wes Brown had already got themselves into a tangle to gift Deportivo one goal as United fought out an Old Trafford thriller with their Spanish rivals. The hosts seemed likely to gain a draw though until Barthez slid out of his box to make a tackle, missed the ball completely and allowed Diego Tristan to slot home the easiest of winners.

September 25, 1999 - Massimo Taibi v Southampton (Premier League)
Taibi's stay at Old Trafford was not a happy one and the blunder that gifted Matt le Tissier Southampton's second will be the moment his brief stay is remembered for. Le Tissier had virtually turned away in disgust at a weak 25-yard effort. Yet somehow Taibi let the ball slither under his body and into the net. Amazingly, the Italian retained his place for the following week's trip to Chelsea. United lost 5-0.

February 15, 1998 - Peter Schmeichel v Barnsley (FA Cup)
Just to prove even the best make mistakes, Schmeichel's entry into the hall of shame came against unfancied Barnsley in an FA Cup fifth round tie. The incident appeared innocuous enough as Gary Pallister rolled a back-pass towards the great Dane. But Schmeichel sliced his clearance badly, straight to John Hendrie, who promptly put the visitors in front.

May 12, 1990 - Jim Leighton v Crystal Palace (FA Cup Final)
Sir Alex Ferguson had stood by his fellow Scot despite a succession of mistakes after his move from Aberdeen. But when Leighton was caught badly out of position in the move that led to Ian Wright putting the Eagles 3-2 up in extra time, the United boss decided enough was enough, and axed him from the replay.

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I love this thread, very funny chaps keep it up except for the Manc idiot "Yerself" who once again was wearing those Man Utd specs that only see what he wants to see.

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The F.a are thinking about bringing in a systme to prevent this happenign again they are going to fit the ball with a small chip and place two sensors on each post therfore when the ball crosses the line it is read by the sensors and this tells the officals

This is a long step to improve the referereing of our great sport and hopefully this will lead to better things in the game with the added help of technology to aid the refs who have a very difficult job!!!

I do not want video refs as i think this would interupt the game but ideas like this surley have to be welcomed at all levels

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this idea has been around for a number of years, they just havnt used it yet (well not in england they havnt)

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Your intrepid reporter at FA HQ.
Just heard stright from the FA that instead of putting a chip in the ball they are going to program a chip and put one in each of the officials except the 4th official as he does Fu*8 all anyway, the chip is being sponsored by Fly Emirates they being the ones who sponsor the Refs this year and coincidently Chelski as well, (er just wondering why these decsions always help the southern sellout club). Alex "the red faced one" Ferguson said he agreed it was time for technology to be used as he noticed that only 7 mins of the 4 alloted extra time mins had been used and "we should have had a penalty which technology would have given us" as for the goal crossing the line he said "I didnt see it and nor did any of the other 65 people on the bench, not even technology would have given that as a goal, we should have had a penalty".It was later explained to him that Technology was not the nickname of Mike Riley his favorite ref.
Manchester United today issued a statement about refs being programed with chips.
We at Manchester United agree that we need to move up with technology and although a ref with a chip would be an improvement we need to be assured that it would help Manchester United ( We sent chips to Joe Corrigan when he was at City and that worked). We have hired a programmer who will look at the chips and ensure they are up to Manchester United standards, he is completly unbiased as he is from London and although a fan of the club he does'nt actualy know where Manchester is. We have also decided that if we dont agree with the FA about these chips we will pull out of the FA Cup, again.
United manager Alex "call me dell" Ferguson said he has been given a new digital watch as Mickey Mouse is still wearing an Alex Ferguson watch.
Watch this space for more news!!!!!!!!

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It was a save. Did he or did he not save two points for United ? Thanks for the compliments Bagpuss, it's always easy to wind a Liverpool fan up.

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it will be even easier to wind up a liverpool fan when Burnley beat them tommorow

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Burnley call Centre

Burnley Have set up a Call Centre for fans who are troubled by their current form.

The number is 0800 10 10 10.

Calls charged at peak rate for overseas users.

Once again the number is...

0800 won nothing won nothing won nothing

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Current form, Burnley are top of the Championship on current form,

last 8 games - - - - won 6, lost 2, 18 points

Crewe are in second on 17 points. So i have got to say that i am sooooo woried about Burnleys current form, im so worried i hope it carries on

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Wrong again mate. Burnley have history and HAVE won things, such as the FA Cup

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And..........................they really have a history.........Div 1 Winners 1920/21 1959/60 FA Cup Winners 1913/14.........................
And they will be in Europe next year......

If theres a war

You are 11th at the moment with 39 points the leaders have 55pts no matter what your current form is its points that count.
After Friday you will be able to concentrate on the League and forget about Ideas of beating contenders for the European cup.

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OK back on track with this thread, From your intrepid reporter
Manchester United's march towards the 2004/05 Premiership title continued today with a stunning display at Old Trafford. The Super Reds went ahead just before the kick-off when Giggs was sent away down the left wing. His cross was handled on the half way line by a Spurs defender and a penalty was awarded for this cynical foul. Alan Smith stepped up to slot the ball home for United's 33rd penalty of the season. It was no more than United deserved.
The 15th minute saw the Super-Smashing Reds go two up after Simon Davis was penalised for coughing just outside the area. Ryan Giggs resultant free kick was slightly miss-hit, but even if the keeper was not being pinned to the floor by Roy Keane, he would not have saved it. 2-0. It was no more than United deserved.
The 21st minute saw more trouble for Spurs when Noe Pamarot was sent-off for enquiring about the referee's Man United shirt. However two minutes after the interval Spurs struck back after an amazing piece of good fortune. The referee's assistant could only parry Simon Davies' shot and Robbie Keane thumped the ball home. Confusion reigned for 10 minutes as the entire Manchester United squad surrounded the referee, arguing that the referee's assistant had been fouled 15 minutes earlier. The referee grudgingly had to give the goal even though he racked his brain for a reason to disallow it.
Alex Ferguson was furious and rushed down from his seat in the stand to the dugout, knocking over a number of blind, disabled, pensioners in wheel-chairs on the way down. Fortunately, things settled down again as Paul Scholes took a long-range shot, which deflected off the corner flag but had clearly crossed the line, 3-1. It was no more than United deserved.
Just after the restart, un-sportsmanlike Ledley King was dismissed for making ridiculous claims for a penalty after Roy Keane had nearly decapitated Robbie Keane. The referee and his assistant missed the incident as they were both asking Ryan Giggs for his autograph, but replays showed that Keane's flying kung-fu kick, followed by a forearm smash was clearly unintentional.
Ten minutes later Ferguson took off Giggs and replaced him with Gary Nevile, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, and Phil Nevile. Wonderful, wonderful Man United's 4th came shortly after. Robbie Keane was caught offside just outside the Spurs penalty area and Ronaldo's free-kick thundered in after deflecting off the underside of the flood lights. It was no more than United deserved.
The super, marvel, wonder Reds kept the pressure on until the bitter end. In the 98th minute Pedro Mendes conceded a free kick just outside his own area for blatantly glancing at the referee. Ronaldo stepped up and proceeded to chip the ball right into the referee's path and he made no mistake from 10 yards. Goal number 5 and it was no more than United deserved.
Scholes slotted home number 6 from the penalty spot after Gardner went down with a broken leg. Fortunately Roy Keane was nearby when it happened and, after running 50 yards, he was able to bring the incident to the referee's attention. Unfazed by Gardner's cynical tactics, protruding bone and spraying blood, the referee sent him off for diving (and time wasting) and awarded United the penalty. Keane cheekily chipped the ball over the keeper and the crossbar, but the referee decided that it was a goal, because based on past records, Keane rarely missed and is hard and scary.
When the final whistle went after 33 minutes of injury time, Spurs traipsed off with their heads low, having been taught a footballing lesson by what is by far the greatest team the World has ever seen. As the losers hit the showers, a superb flowing movement by United culminated with a fine diving header by Alex Ferguson
and it was 7-1. However the referee decided that it was such a good goal, it should count double.

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Excellent as always Bazf, Fearon1 I will just let my team respond to your comment and Yerself I've nothing more to add.

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Bazf -

Are you forgetting we also have 2 games in hand.

6 points away from the play-offs with 2 games in hand
11 points away from automatic spot with 2 games in hand

If we win both games in hand where in a play-off position.

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Bazf -

If you are posting things about other clubs i would make sure youve got ur facts right

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th laws of the game state that in the opnion of the referee and linesman a goal can only be give if they are both sure that whole of the ball crossed the line,as the linesman was not ure from the position he was n he could not due t the laws of the game award a goal,dont forget 1966wc final,that was,nt over the line but the russian linerwho was in thesame position as the liner at old trfford said yes,so its swings and roundabouts really,

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Fearon, you do have to go on about your team, I understand loyalty, I dont understand why you dont get it, Burnley have been in this position so many times and as soon as they have to pay Win bonuses watch them run a mile, They can not afford to be in the prem otherwise they would have appointed a manager that has a proven record to get them there the choices were about, and I have this discussion with my dad on a regular basis, Burnley are the tightest club around any manager with a chance to take a club up would jump at the job no matter what the wages were, just accept that the board are hopeless and only have there own intrests at heart.

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Steve Coterill is the best young manager around. He has qualifications which are better than most premiership managers.
You just dont have a clue, SC came to the club when we had 8 players. Most of the fans where expecting a relegation battle, but look what has happened, a play-off place is within our capabilities.

When you get promoted to the premiership you get £15million, so how can we not afford to be in the premiership. How could pompey aford to be in the premiership, when they got promoted they where on a smiular financial situation as us.

You talk utter bollocks.




I dont think many other managers could have done a better job than what SC has done this season.

How do you work that out. Would you rather see clubs spend more than they can afford which will mean in a few years they could risk extinction

The board have been good to Burnley, just look at what Barry Kilby has done for the club.


And finally, you dont know what the heck your talking about, from the posts you have made recently shows you know nothing about Burnley Football Club.
STICK TO BASEBALL AND BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!!

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I used to like the dingles as most of my family are supporters but with comments like yours above I now know in my heart why I thought all the kids at school that walked around with clown shirts ( Aston Villa & Scunthorpe) tops were dick heads. I could pull your argument apart except it isnt worth it. Please live in all belief that "the best young manager" can get you in to the prem as his experience at Cheltenham and Stoke should see him through.

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Burnley have a 3 year plan, and i expect us to be pushing for a play-off place in these three years. You think football is easy and easy to get promoted to the premiership, thats where your wrong. And how the hell can you start saying stuff about SC when he has had hardly any money at all to spend and came to the club with 8 players.

Me and the majority of Burnley fans have faith in SC and beleive he will get us to the premiership one day. Il see what your saying when SC is managing a giant club, which he will be no doutb in a few years, beacuse he is that good of manager.

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In your own argument you say you dont want to spend money as you will be extinct but without spending money you wont get promotion, 1.5million for Blake use the money to strenthen the squad or pay back Kilby?
When you get promoted you get 15m, only if you go up as champions, your share from the playoffs would be about 4.5m (2 clubs share 50% of gate money and TV rights last 2 years average was 4m each).
Most teams dont make it in the first year when they are promoted why? finances, look at West Brom, Norwich, Wolves etc...with crowds of around 25,000 and a financial infrastructure in place didnt make it. The standard of play is a lot higher in the prem and you have to buy players that can compete in that league so you would have have to change most of your squad, who are you going to be able to afford, players who have been let go by there prem teams and older players who are at the end of thier careers, are they going to go for a 50/50 ball the same way a young up and coming player would? When Howard Wilkinson took Leeds up he used the long ball, with players who had seen better days but were skillfull and could play to his system, he didnt bother about cup games and put all his emphasis on getting promoted then when he did he changed his squad over the summer and stayed up the next year.
You admit Burnley arn't a big club and Cottrill will be a better manager of a giant club so are you expecting him to leave if a giant club comes for him or if he doesnt get you promoted in 3 years is he going to be sacked? also I think young mangers like David Moyes at Everton and Iain Dowie of Palace would disagree that Steve Cottrill was the best young manager around.

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I said we dont want to spend money we havent got. We should be getting some of the Blake money to strengthen the squad.

If Coterill doesnt get us promoted in 3 years he will not be sacked. I didnt say the 3 year plan was to get promoted, no-one knows what the 3 year plan is, only the Chairman and manager.

If a big premiership club wanted Coterill to manage them, then there will be quite an amount of money which Burnley will get from compensation.

If we do get promoted we will sign players, and who knows, we might do a Bolton, Birmingham, Portsmouth, Charlton and stay there.

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Or John Coleman :)

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Alex "we woz robbed" Ferguson
ALEX FERGUSON believes it was Manchester United not Spurs who were robbed of victory by blunder referee Mark Clattenburg.
The referee and his linesman Rob Lewis have become infamous for the goal that never was at Old Trafford on Tuesday.
Neither saw the ball was well over the line when United goalkeeper Roy Carroll fumbled in the final minute.But Ferguson believes it was the realisation of that error which immediately denied the Reds a match-winning penalty at the other end.
Ferguson said: “We should have got a penalty straight after that incident.“But I believe what happened at the other end was still in the back of the referee’s mind.“He saw the reaction of the Spurs players who could not believe he hadn’t given a goal.“It was over the line there is no dispute about that, but why were we not then given a penalty at the other end?”
Ferguson does not blame the officials for failing to see the extent of Carroll’s blunder.But he refuted suggestions that his own goalkeeper should have owned up to the ball being over the line.