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Mancie 09-09-2008 01:02
Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Lewis Hamilton won the Belgian Grand Prix in the Mclaren but was relegated ... I reckon the powers that be can't stand for Ferrari losing .. eh Alex?:rolleyes:

flashy 09-09-2008 07:16
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
ey ey ey...wasnt it something to do with Hamilton cutting that corner? if so then its his own stupid fault for doing it isnt it :D

shakermaker 09-09-2008 07:55
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Hamilton gave him back the lead after being forced to cut the corner, then fought it out and won the race. Hamilton's been robbed.

cashman 09-09-2008 11:36
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 628952)
Hamilton gave him back the lead after being forced to cut the corner, then fought it out and won the race. Hamilton's been robbed.
that just about sums it up.:(

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 11:55
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
I agree that Hamilton was robbed. He had no option but to 'cut' that corner given the conditions but he did then pull back and allow the car in front to retain the lead.

mthead 09-09-2008 15:24
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Yeah deffinatly robbed.He cut the corner then gave the lead back before the end of the lap as stated in the rules.Mclaren are appealling about it so hopefully justice is given and he gets the win back.Wait while the next race at Imola Ferrari's backyard,hope he beats them with a big margin,would be so cool to do it there :cool: :D

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 15:37
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
I wouldn't like to win a race by the real winner being robbed of the title like that. I'd always feel like I had to prove something afterwards.

jambutty 09-09-2008 17:02
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Although not a particular fan of F1 (I much prefer Moto GP) as it is nothing more than a two hours procession of ultra fast cars, I will admit that I am biased in favour of Lewis Hamilton because he is a British driver, a very good one at that and also a rookie to the F1 world.

I’ve watched the incident a number of times on TV and it seems to me that Lewis went to overtake the Ferrari because it went a bit too wide in the corner and left enough room for Lewis to do so. As he drew alongside Kimi Raikkonen, the Ferrari pulled over and pushed Lewis off the track. Their wheels touched. That left the British driver with nowhere to go except to cross the chicane or cause an accident.

As Lewis came off the chicane in front of the Ferrari he quite rightly backed off so that he didn’t gain an advantage of a manoeuvre forced onto him. Once the Ferrari was back in front Lewis pulled into the Raikkonen’s ‘slip stream’ got the slingshot he was looking for and overtook him.

The irony is that within one lap Raikkonen crashed because of race conditions and a mistake by Kimi, so even if Hamilton had not overtaken him Lewis would still have won the race.

The incident had no bearing whatsoever on any of the other drivers. Massa who was some 14 seconds behind Lewis and Kimi, and Heidfeld 10 seconds behind Massa, did not have enough laps left to be able to try and catch and overtake the two leaders especially in the rain swept conditions at the time.

Lewis was robbed and I hope that the appeal gets the decision overturned. If it doesn’t then what bit of credibility the F1 circuit had, will be dispersed.

It was a similar story years ago during the last race of the season when Damon Hill was overtaking Michael Schumacher who had run wide and thus left a gap for Hill to get through and to go on and win the race and also the Grand Prix title. Schumacher deliberately turned into Hill and crashed then both. A safe manoeuvre seeing as they were barely moving at the time. As neither finished this ensured that Schumacher won the Grand Prix title. You could see from Damon Hill’s face during the after race interviews that his diplomatic “it was a racing incident” wasn’t what he was really thinking. The ensuing inquest by the stewards was of the opinion that it was “a racing incident” and no action was taken against Schumacher and Ferrari. But then it was a Ferrari.

jambutty 09-09-2008 17:35
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
I would just add that had Lewis not attempted an overtaking manoeuvre at that corner he would still have been in a position to overtake when he actually did so.

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 17:42
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
An excellent description of what occurred.

cashman 09-09-2008 18:27
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
well if ferrarri keep that race, then backhanders have won the day.:rolleyes:

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 19:05
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Why do you say that? He was forced off the main track and then did what the book says he should do in such circumstances.

shakermaker 09-09-2008 19:10
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Whoosh?!

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 19:16
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
D'oh I just realised you said Ferrari! :o

cashman 09-09-2008 20:19
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 629193)
D'oh I just realised you said Ferrari! :o
:bingobang:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

david1 09-09-2008 20:37
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Did kimi get penalized when he set off in the pit in the last race , running a refueler over because he set off on amber ? no . Then why on earth did they decide that lewis was at any fault for just doing what the fans turned up to see , ( racing ) I am disgusted at the FIA decision .

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 21:04
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Because Kimi Raikkonen drives for Farrari?

banjoman 09-09-2008 21:39
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Sorry have to disagree with all this. Lewis straightlines the old bus stop and fair enough he gave the position back, but he was far closer when crossing the start finish line than we he started his overtaking attempt at the bus stop.

The bus stop isnt really an overtaking place. he should have kept the slipstream round the corner and tried it at La Source.

Even if he straightlined as he did, I would think a more "seasoned" driver would have not immediately overtaken at the next corner. Most would have kept the toe and had him coming out of Au Rouge at the top of the hill. At the time Lewis would have extended his lead over Massa in the championship and caused Ferrari a problem as if Kimi had won they couldnt have just backed one driver as McLaren are doing with Lewis. In fact even without the rain, Lewis`s best chance for the championship was to sit on second and keep pressing Kimi.

I know Lewis is fast, but there are still some inexperience errors around.

jambutty 09-09-2008 22:07
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by banjoman (Post 629270)
Sorry have to disagree with all this. Lewis straightlines the old bus stop and fair enough he gave the position back, but he was far closer when crossing the start finish line than we he started his overtaking attempt at the bus stop.

The bus stop isnt really an overtaking place. he should have kept the slipstream round the corner and tried it at La Source.

Even if he straightlined as he did, I would think a more "seasoned" driver would have not immediately overtaken at the next corner. Most would have kept the toe and had him coming out of Au Rouge at the top of the hill. At the time Lewis would have extended his lead over Massa in the championship and caused Ferrari a problem as if Kimi had won they couldnt have just backed one driver as McLaren are doing with Lewis. In fact even without the rain, Lewis`s best chance for the championship was to sit on second and keep pressing Kimi.

I know Lewis is fast, but there are still some inexperience errors around.
Disagree by all means but you have to concede that Lewis was half way alongside Kimi at the corner thus he couldn’t have been further back than when they both crossed the line.

Isn’t hindsight wonderful?

harwood red 09-09-2008 22:44
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
I have to agree that Lewis was robbed, again I watched this a few times and if he hadn't have taken the shortcut then there would have been a good chance of them both crashing out.... As for Hamilton not overtaking at the bus stop, it was about getting the racing line and going into the corner, hamilton had the better position but then Kimi decided to push over in quite a jerky manouvre which left Lewis with no where to go but to take the short cut... this was added to the track due to in the past some bad crashes as the racing line on that corner is so tight!!

I think the points deduction has been given because although he gave the lead back at the line, they say by taking the short cut he created momentum that kept his speed up which then allowed him to automatically overtake him again....... hmmmmmmm!!!!????!!!

WillowTheWhisp 10-09-2008 06:55
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
I admit I've never driven a Formula 1 racing car but don't people tend to lose momentum when they slow down which he did when he allowed KR to gain/regain/maintain the lead?

harwood red 10-09-2008 23:18
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 629343)
I admit I've never driven a Formula 1 racing car but don't people tend to lose momentum when they slow down which he did when he allowed KR to gain/regain/maintain the lead?
I guess the momentum they are talking about is the fact by taking the short cut he didn't have to slow right down at the corner and as for slowing down to allow Kimi to regain the lead, it was very slight.

Saying all that I still think they got it wrong!!!!!!

Mancie 10-09-2008 23:25
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
I don't think Hamilton took a "short cut".. seems to me they were both racing and the only way out was for Hamilton to go left.. could have happend on any part of the circuit..has it come to this when a driver cannot show some aggression in races?..

cashman 11-09-2008 00:43
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 629694)
I don't think Hamilton took a "short cut".. seems to me they were both racing and the only way out was for Hamilton to go left.. could have happend on any part of the circuit..has it come to this when a driver cannot show some aggression in races?..
oh ferrari can thats ok.:rolleyes: remember the kraut.:D

Mancie 11-09-2008 01:19
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 629741)
oh ferrari can thats ok.:rolleyes: remember the kraut.:D
shuss now Cashy.. that was ferrari and the bods in charge do like em.. it's good money for advertising and spin offs when ferrari win.

jambutty 24-09-2008 15:28
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
So Lewis Hamilton’s appeal has failed.

Actually that isn’t strictly true. The FIA has ruled that his appeal is inadmissible and that is totally different.

This is a cop out by the FIA. By ruling that his appeal was inadmissible that relieved them of the need to hear what the appeal was so the FIA wouldn’t have to make a ruling.

This implies that if they had heard the appeal they would have no option but to reinstate the Belgian Grand Prix win.

What bit of credibility the FIA may have had has evaporated.

WillowTheWhisp 24-09-2008 17:48
Re: Lewis and Mclaren robbed?
 
Yep, that about sums it up.

:mad: Totally biased.


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