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Right I know nothing about photography but since i got my new pc i thought id try using it to play around with some pics , now when i downloaded them from camera or from email they all came through full size but when i try to open them up all i seem to get are thumbnails and cant get them to fit my screen without bluring .
Im currently using windows picture and fax viewer .

Is it just the way my pics download or is there a way i can get them back to full size ...ive tried everything today but to no avail ...
has anyone any ideas ...cheers

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Can you give us a bit more info. what make/model of camera. Are you using the supplied driver or some other method (Card reader). You mention email.... please expand what you mean by that. emails from others with pictures embedded or something else.

It could be that your camera is downloading both a full size image and a thumbnail and you are opening the wrong one. One way to tell is to let us know the filesize of the image you are opening. (Right click - properties)

Windows Picture/fax viewer is rubbish. you ideally want a proper photo editor. There are loads , I use The Gimp. its freeware so no 'dodgy software involved. and is extremly powerful in what it can do.

To install it there are 2/3 packages you need.

Do this first
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gim....6-1-setup.zip

then this

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gim...86-setup-1.zip


If you want the help files (probably recommended if you are very new to playing with images) then install this as well

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gim...0.11-setup.zip

There are loads of tutorials for GIMP on the net.http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/ is one good starting point but there are loads more for when you get more advanced.

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Here's an original sized image:


Here's the same image viewed at 20% as in a thumbnail:


Now here's the image shrunk to 20% which looks just the same:


But when you try to enlarge that back to the original size all you get are enlarged pixels (resulting in blurred image):

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heh willow, I know what you are saying but technically its not 'blurred', its pixelated :D

From the OP I'm not sure Cherokee is opening a full sized image. We need to be sure that that is the case. However Windows Picture viewer does need binning no matter what

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I know that Ian :D I am referring to the fact that Cherokee used the term "bluring" in the opening post (not being familiar with digital photography probably also means not familiar with terms such as pixelated) and was attempting to explain in simple terms how such "bluring" occurs.:p

Yep, that's why I said we need to find out how the image is being saved to the PC.

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...1&d=1160040151

Pixelation can be incredibly handy for anyone who likes doing cross stitch. It's a great aid in designing images.

I've also used cross stitch patterns to help me create little computer graphics too. Ah the versatility of life :)

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Thats whats exactly happuning willow

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pixelation is also what happens when you use digital zoom on your camera.... everyone turn OFF digital zoom now.. its rubbish ...its only doing what willow has just done... it isnt actually zooming in.

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Attachment 7791 this is one from accyweb xmas do , now when i downloaded it from aw it was full size but for some reason when i open it up it comes through like a thumbnail

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if i try to bring it back to full image it turns out like the one willow displays

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Plus you can get the same result by just cropping the resulting image in your image editing software if you really must.( :D 10 megapixel cameras are great! :D )

As for Cherokees problem it does look like you haven't 'downloaded' what you thought you had. If its a web picture when viewing the full sized image, Right click and select "save image as". Then put it wherever you want it on your PC.

If you know a thumbnail links directly to an image (i.e. the link URL ends in .jpg .gif or any other image file extention) you can choose "save target as " from the thumbnail.

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it was this sizie when i saved it to my pictures but when i open it in windows fax and picture viewer it shrinks .so might it be my settings with that? and how do i change them?

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Ive done it twice willow the first says size 2.48kb
and the one ive just done now says size 60.2 kb

so how come ive got 2 different sizes ,,grrrr this is so confusing

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Cherokee, try opening teh 60K one. let us know if A) it shows pixelated and b) if when you've closed it teh size has changed

If you tell us teh EXACT procedure you go through to save teh image that may also help

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KSH resized them photos for me so that i could put them on accyweb. If you want the full sized ones i'll send them to you.

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ok entwisi ..ie when shillalagh sent those pics through all i did was scan and save to my computer ,
wich took them to my pictures ,
first time i opened them they came up full size as id recieved them from jen ,
second time i opened em up and tried to do a slideshow in win fax n pic viewer all my pics including the ones from jen had turned into thumbnails ,
the only ones that dont seem to have gone to thumbnails ar the latest ones my bro sent me of the kids and the one i just obtained from this post (thank to whoever got the orig size back .
but i have put a lot of my pics onto yahoo photos in a personal file which also seem to have gone to thumbnails ..
sorry to be a pain but the more i read your replies im wondering if ive got my options wrong ie,clicked a box that i shouldnt.. it s not this pc cus same were happening with my last pc but i put thaat down to it being knackered

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the size you sent to me jen were fine i think its something im doing wrong

and ive still got your email with em anyway so cheers

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Attachment 7792this is the one that shrunk it mentions nowhere about pixelated

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how did Jen send them to you, email? If email, did you do "Save Attachments" or some other way to save them permanently on your PC?

You mention scan?????????? please explain... is this scan as in look at them or scan as in something to do with a picture scanner??? Unfortunately the english language is full of ambuguities, we need to understand exactly what you are doing to help


Again, can I just ask in confirmation, the 1st time you opened them, was this from the email or from the copy you saved to disk? The 2nd time, was it from the exact same source as the 1st time or was there any difference whatsoever.

How did you upload to Yahoo, have you installed some software to help you do this?(even if it was from Yahoo....) or is it a web page based upload where you slect a local file and it uploads them for you. Is there any automatic sync of files between your PC and teh Yahoo photos site?

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What pixelated means is that as Willow tried to explain, you can take a full sized image (say a full screen size) and tell a computer to display it as a tiny image. this would look just the same as your 'small images' but still contain all the information as if it was being shown at full size. What is happening is that something is actually resizing the image so instead of the picture being made up of ~1000 dots across by 800 dots down it is being made about 72 dots across by however many down. In order to do this the computer 'throws away' 11 out of every 12 dots across the image and probably the same(ish) down. This throws away a lot of detail. Viewed as a small image it looks 'OK' when you try displaying it at full size the dots have to be magnified such that each indivdual dot becomes a square 12 dots by 8. hence the image is in your terms 'blurred'. ie. all the detail in the picture has gone. this is what 'pixelated' means.

Hope that helps explain the terms and what is happening to your images

I

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how did Jen send them to you, email? If email, did you do "Save Attachments" or some other way to save them permanently on your PC?

yes via email then i get option to either scan and save to computer which automatically saves them to my yahoo photes ,or i can download attachment which puts them into my pictures folder

You mention scan?????????? please explain... is this scan as in look at them or scan as in something to do with a picture scanner??? Unfortunately the english language is full of ambuguities, we need to understand exactly what you are doing to help

as above entwis just option i have on email

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Cherokee, can you please explain exactly what you do to save the images onto your computer? Avoid words like 'scan', 'download' etc. Try giving simple step by step info such as:
I put my cursor over the pic.
I right click with my mouse
A box appears on the screen ............. etc

If those three above statements are what you do, what happens when the box appears? Does it give you options to choose from? What option do you choose?

The large image which I posted from the AccyWeb meet I got by looking at your thumbnail and then going back to the original post and looking for the original pic - I then clicked on that thumbnail, got the fullsized image on my screen, selected the URL from above it and copied and pasted that into my post.

I'm also not clear if you are making a distincton between saving something onto your own PC or simply seeing it on your screen. Do you have that AccyWeb Christmas photo in a folder on your PC?
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when i right click on pic i go to opt save as.... click on that and it puts it into my pics .
then when i go to my pics i get the full sized photo but when i try to do a slide show with windows picture and fax viewer it seems to show all my pics in thumbnail and after i try to open in my pictures folder all i get is thumbnail images and i cant get back to full size , hope that makes sense ..

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Which email client are you using? Is it web based (i.e. that you use Internet Explorer or Firefox) or a 'proper' client like Outlook express or thunderbird.

Scan is not an option I can ever recall being a default option on any email client so I'm guessing its part of some Yahoo installation thats 'adding functionality' to your email program. In my opinion stuff like this tends to just add confusion/problems.

When you say 'download attachment' that doesn't sound quite right. an email comes with attachments. you can either save them or view them in the email. they shouldn't be a need to download them.

In your response to Willow, you mention that a slideshow in WP&F only shows the thumbnails. Can you say how you are doing teh slideshow. Do you click on a folder(which folder) and start something or are you opening WP&F and starting it from there?

TBH its ounds like a problem that actually sat with you would be solved in minutes, its quite hard to sometimes try and understand what people are actually doing and what programs they have installed that are 'interferring' in teh normal process

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CHEERS ENTWIS to be honest its doing my head in but i will keep trying till i get it right as for email im with yahoo and if someone sends you sonething ie folder or pic it gives you the option to download attachment and when i click on that it comes up in a seperate box to which i press run... sorry if ive not been very explanitary with all this but half of the bloody jargon is alien to me haha

but i will keep trying

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oops sorry willow..........:D

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its webmail based, that does answer a lot.

And its Yahoo........

Abandon hope all ye who enter here!!!! :D

sorry Cherokee, only joking.............

when you click 'run' you should actually be clicking Save. this will then make a copy of the image or whatever ON YOUR PCS HARD DISK. Then you can do wit it what you like. I'm guessing that its a sort of mix up thats happening between Yahoos web based interface and your PCs configuration as to what it should do when you click 'Run'.

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Actually I've just had an idea!!!!

Cherokee, do you use MSN? If so we can do a remote desktop thing where Willow or myself could actually control your PC as if we were sat there!.

Let me know if you are willing to do this. My MSN details are in my profile, feel free to add me

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I,ve never actually used msn Ian mainly because it used to crash my last pc but i will have a go at trying it and get back to ya ..cheers

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thanks willow

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:), thanks willow, it was doing my head in trying to work out what scan was doing there, should have thought that these people don't trust you to have your own AV software :D

as said, slow but sure progress.......