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Didn't you read the extra small print

Once we have your money no matter how much the club/Players/Mangement make you mad/stressed/angry/dissapointed, we aint giveing you the money back :D

I think you better start the cue for the money back as alot of people who do not post on here are propberly feeling the same!

But least we won today!

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This becomes increasingly bizarre! So the club is now going to have its own internal investigation. Better late than never, some may say. I wouldn't say that.

I wonder who will do the investigating. And what will be the consequence if the results of the internal investigation differ from the FA's results?

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Are they betting on snooker now?:)

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Wouldn't that be irrelevant if the FA find them guilty ? The FA would presumably ban them anyway so if the club came to a different outcome they can't override the FA.

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Who's going to tell Eric then...........:D

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Stanley are back!!!!

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I think you will find this is another point of employment law. The employer will have to investigate the complaint in the correct manner. If they do not follow procedure they could be taken to a tribunal by the employees in question and end up paying out compensation.

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summat just occured to me, i wonder if "This" was the reason "Paul Mullen" took the opportunity to jump ship?:confused:it would not surprise me, don't suppose we will ever know.

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Think it's pretty clear he went to help the club out financially, as we are getting a substantial package from the Bantams. I'd say 5000/1 on your theory cashy.

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Worth a punt then!!.........lol

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Only a fiver's worth :D

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From 'Cod Almighty'

Wanna bet?
Best odds
Grimsby evens (BlueSq)
draw 12/5 (Coral)
Accrington 3/1 (Bet365)

The tips
Take a leaf out of Peter Cavanagh's book and make a win for Town part of a five quid accumulator. :D:D

Cod Almighty - daily independent coverage of Grimsby Town Football Club

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think its a bit strong to say any story that comes out of yon is pretty clear! i base my thought on fact i reckon P.M. IS mr stanley, more so than anyone, but 5000/1 is good odds, think i'll put it in n accumulator.:D:D

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Yep ! I've never liked internals ! ouch !

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sack them both, simple as that

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Did you go for your refund?

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I'm still very disappointed by the way the club handled this affair but I was reminded by my son that if I didn't go he wouldn't get to go also. That maybe is what has to happen I'm still deciding but I believe I have to put it in writing if I want a refund. I might just report them to the Trading Standards for this seasons Junior Eagles fiasco instead.:(

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sounds to me like the club is piggy in the middle with this one. The club won't condone whats gone on - far from it, i imagine they have to wait and see what happens with the FA's charges before anyone can be sacked. It's not the club as a whole who've done wrong here, we need to remember that.

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i think you imagine wrong dave, as far as i'm aware any employer is entitled to suspend on full pay,anyone who has commited "Gross Misconduct":)

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I'm in the same boat so I went today. I think the club are taking the mickey, they could at least have relieved Cavanagh of the captaincy.

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Did any of the members here boo Cav/Rocky during the match?

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Doesn't say they have too though does it so by the books the club is not doing anything wrong! Even though people see different!

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Quite a few in the main stand did. One bloke in front of me shouted to Williams, as he was about to take a throw in, "Make sure you throw it to one of ours."

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People have been shouting that to Rocky for years :D
Fair enough to the humourous jibes like that, but the actual 'boo's really got on my wick. People have got every right to sing/shout what they like, but the booing did annoy me. :(

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i do not know that MCR n i bet you dont either, employees usually have terms @ conditions incorporated into contract of employment, in that is usually a disciplinary code.

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I did not and did not really think it helped?? What did not help at all also was the
"Team of Gamblers" at least five who started were not even at the club.... My opinion

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yeh fair play i dont but alot of people want it to happen! Only one more game to go before St Georges day!

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Magnan scored again today. Anyone want him back:p

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Mangan has found his level, he seems to be doing pretty good aswell 2nd top soccer in the league, be a shame to throw it all away if found guilty

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Think of it this way. If I do something at work that is classed as gross misconduct, maybe I repair a machine and make it unsafe, the management find out and start to investigate. I am not suspended and allowed to carry on repairing machines unsafely while they investigate the accusation. They then have a formal disciplinary hearing, I am found to be at fault and dismissed from the company.

I then take them to tribunal and win because I was not suspended on these grounds - If the management thought my actions warranted dismissal from the company why did they allow me to keep repairing the machines while they decided if I was doing it unsafely?


In the case of these footballers there has been a breakdown in trust between the management and the employee. This is grounds for dismissal. The management can not trust the players to not break the rules and bet on their own games. They have been accused of doing so and should not play again until the investigation is over.

How can they be sacked because the management can not trust them not to break the rules, if they have still allowed them to play while under investigation.

I suspect if they are found guilty they will be either paid off to leave the club or just paid for doing nothing until there contract ends. This would save them losing at tribunal for procedural errors.

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Good to see Lancashire County Council know the correct procedures

14 LCC Staff Suspended

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precisely: to suspend on full pay, so they would still be getting paid for doing nothing. The club still has to pay their wages and coley is without 2 players, IMO the club has little to gain from suspendin anyone at this stage, unless you count Bagpuss :p

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little to gain apart from the fans who will not go watch em. but still fans are never a big deal.:rolleyes:

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Ho Ho, only 3 posts on accyweb and already making jokes about the fans, may I ask what precisely is your role at the club.;):)

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Maybe he is the players bookie :rolleyes::D:D

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Ask Lee baggy, i reckon he knows.;)

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So what you're trying to tell us is, Eric said, "I'm not payin' 'em for doin' ****** all." or words to that effect. Nothing to with employment law or right and wrong.

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Think you must be barking up the wrong tree, the club don't know this forum exists ;):)

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Being somewhat cynical, after watching Monday's appalling performance against Chester it springs to mind that the whole squad could have had a wager on this result.

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The performance was appalling, I thought it galling that Cavanagh wore the Captain's armband, whatever the arguments about them playing, he should not have been the Captain & that was the view of many around me watching the match. Should give the job to Phil Edwards asap!

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thats known as rubbing yer nose in it.:(

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Absoloutly bob on!

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I suppose its all part and parcel of the same thing, if the club are "Standing by the players" and allowing them to play, then the club must allow them to carry on as they are ?? i.e. Club captain. Not saying I agree or that any of it is right...

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Precisely the same as yours. I go to most home games thanks and I'm entitled to post on here just as much as you. You're the one who said you were going to demand a refund on your season ticket, thats why i said they'll lose you.

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Didn't know Mannix was from Welchie country:

Ex-Liverpool FC and Winsford junior footballer David Mannix facing FA probe - Mid Cheshire Chronicle

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One thing is for sure this betting probe is a very unpleasant and embarrassing affair for the club and its supporters particularly after the positive news we had regarding season ticket sales for next season (apparently we have already sold 600). Regarding the betting there are some very negative rumors going round and whilst you obviously cant believe everything you hear I have a feeling that what Neilhag posted earlier on the lines of this being the tip of the iceberg could be crucial certainly there is still a huge deficit between what the bookies said they had taken on the game (£281,000) and what the players had allegedly bet (some £10,000) this even allowing for the £20,000 they normally take on division 2 games still leaves in my eyes £250,000 unaccounted for. I only hope any further investigations don't yield any more bad news for the club. I was disappointed and could not understand the stance that Jimmy took when discussing Cav in the LET when the FA rules are clear and straightforward in relation to players betting on matches. I honestly hope this all thing has a positive outcome for the sake of all the loyal stanley supporters who deserve better.

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good commonsense post george ivan, i too feel that this is only the tip of the iceberg, too many unanswered questions, n only chance of n answer will be on the 23rd. i sure hope the aftermath is dealt with better.

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wasnt just the players who saw the ridiculous odds on a bury win, it was well known throughout the gambling community and plenty of professional gamblers got their money on bury at those odds, the strange thing was how the betting didnt slow when the bookies realised their error and slashed the odds

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yer aware of who the gambling community is john? yer one up on me if ya do.:)

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on that basis, i noticed stanley were 7-1 on brenford site last night, very good odds, be interesting to see if these gamblers put quarter of a million on those odds. might even have a punt meself.:)

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nah they are odds which reflect the game, brentford are top of the league. The bury odds where strange and a cock up by the bookies which many people jumped onto not very often they make mistakes like they did

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fair point, but i still reckon 7-1 is great odds fer sat.:)

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Not sure on that Revived Red?? Only thing I have heard was about Bury winning, not about the scoreline, but could be wrong.... :)

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Cavanagh to plead not guilty

"I can't say too much about the charges levelled against me but I can confirm that I will plead not guilty. My conscience in clear and I will fight my case to clear my name against these charges. I want to reassure fans that, as club captain, I always have and always will give my best in any match and will continue to do so for as long as the club and the fans want me to".

:)

oo ahh.

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Where is this from Shaker ????

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Accy Ob

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Blimey hope he proves himself right then:rolleyes:

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Accrington Stanley skipper wants safety secured (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Was browsing the LET archive when I came across the above article, from just before the news broke. Couldn't help smiling at the (presumed) misprint in the last line.:)

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Cheers Shaker :)

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Yes :) I suppose you could not have written it better.... :D

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that's an absolute cracker Oldgobbin!

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the statement from Cav should have been released immediately.

Cav can maybe defend his position in this shambles, rightly or wrongly he has broken the rules laid out by the FA but it may be excusable depending on this or that. No statement at all from anybody regarding Rocky and I fear he has no leg to stand on.

The problem for the FA is how to apply punishment? Do they give Cav a 10 match ban and Rocky a 10 month ban? They can't really do that becaue it would set a precedent where a sliding scale is implemented according to how much you bet.

Personally my original opinion has changed somewhat as far as our captain is concerned and I hope he can successfully defend (he's better attacking :rolleyes:) himself.

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Anyone read whats been said on the web in the Accrington Observer today page 4 i think! Some of the comments about Coleman should be joining the Jobcentre cue if they are found guilty made me laugh!

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It did cross my mind that he might resign, hope not.

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Unless he's involved in the betting, why would he resign?

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Its just what someone thought because he stuck up for his players. I personally do not want him to resign for a very long time.

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Not even ever...:eek::eek::)

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Well according to tonights telegraph he has no intentions of leaving :)

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Best news to come out of the paper this month! next best news will be when Jimmy, Edwards, Turner, Kenny, Charnock, Miles, Lindfield, Symes all sign for another year or 3

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Jimmy Edwards??? :eek:

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Is this the way we should have reacted....

Itandje at Hillsborough memorial service

A Liverpool footballer has been suspended after claims he behaved inappropriately during the Hillsborough memorial service. Reserve goalkeeper Charles Itandje is seen smiling and nudging a team-mate in footage of the service held to remember the 96 fans killed in the 1989 tragedy.
About 30,000 supporters, players past and present and families of survivors attended the service at Anfield.
The club has suspended the player while it investigates the allegations.
The footage of the French goalkeeper, who was sitting in the Kop with fellow players, behind families of the victims, is being circulated on the internet.
Damian Plessis, a Liverpool reserve midfielder who is also from France, is shown not to react as he is nudged by Itandje.
Itandje was told by Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez not to attend training on Friday.
A Liverpool spokesman confirmed: "Charles Itandje has now been officially suspended for 14 days by the club while we investigate his conduct during the Hillsborough Memorial Service."
Richie Pedder, chairman of the LFC supporters' club, said of the goalkeeper: "I don't think he realised the importance of the occasion.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/...t_quote_rb.gif I'm sure the club will investigate it properly http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/...d_quote_rb.gif


Margaret Aspinall, Hillsborough Families Support Group


"That sort of behaviour was not appropriate.
"I don't think he will still be at the club come the summer."
The 96 Liverpool fans were crushed to death during Liverpool's FA Cup semi final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989.
Many fans have written comments branding Itandje disrespectful, immature and insensitive or have called for him to be sacked or sold.
One comment on the popular lfcreds.com site said: "Hillsborough is a very meaningful and important event for Liverpool, the families of the victims, the club, the team and the people of Liverpool.
"If Itandje really did that, then he has no respect."
Itandje signed for Liverpool in August 2007 and made his first team debut the following month, but has not played for the first team this season.
He was placed on the club's transfer list last summer.
Margaret Aspinall, who lost her 18-year-old son James in the stadium disaster and is vice chair of the Hillsborough Families Support Group, said: "I'm sure the club will investigate it properly."



Hope he doesn't have the odd bet.........

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No because he plays in the reserves and it does not affect the 1st team, had it of been an inportant 1st team player would they have done it, he proberly didnt understand the inportance as he aint english so proberly never heard of the event until he signed for liverpool.

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I am sure a professional team like Liverpool would have done yes. Even if it was just so they did not upset the fans by not doing.



I don't think anyone could not realise the importance whilst sat at Anfield with 30,000 other people at a memorial for 96 dead fans.

It is called respect.

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You never know: BBC SPORT | Other sport... | Snooker | Police investigate snooker match :rolleyes:

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Rubbish, do you really think Steve Gerrard would still be captain if he had done it?

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Steven gerrard would never of done that anyway! The person who did do it does not have any respect for the deaths and i think Liverpool are right in doing it! Anyone watch soccer am and see owen coyle score against are reserve side i think, good goal.

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You're missing to point, who would have thought our captain would bet against our own team, disrespectful to the fans.

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Just seen that goal, it was a cheeky one :)

http://www.b3ta.cr3ation.co.uk/data/gif/owenc.gif

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You have absolutely no evidence of that, so why speak of it as a given fact?
Cav has stated in the press that he is innocent. After such a bold statement, there's no reason why Stanley fans shouldn't believe and support him until the hearing on Thursday.

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Well people are presuming a lot when it comes to cavanaghs case.. i fully expect him to come out of all this smelling of roses and quite a few people eating humble pie.. But he is the only one...

I dont say that lightly and believe me its not becasue I like the guy .. I think he is ignorant.. I dont think he has ventured a hello to me in 8 yrs of being at every stanley game he has been at..

But.. he hasn't done what you think he has and he doesnt deserve the criticism..

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What has he done then?? Because I would presume that The F.A. do not go around accusing players willy nilly just for the hell of it..... :confused::) Please tell us what you know K-P...... :)

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Also how is he ignorant for not saying hello to you? Have you said hello to him and he did not reply? Do you really expect every player to say hello to you?

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Completely agree.
I think Cav's statement not only makes clear his innocence, but speaks volumes of Rocky's situation :)/:(/!

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Shaker, could you please post a copy of Cav's statement for those of us who have not got access T' Thobserver week in - week out :)

Cheers in advance........:thumbsup:

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I already have done pal! A few pages back? You asked where it appeared!

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We shall all find out on thursday. Is anyone betting on the outcome?

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Cheers Shaker.... :) Thought that was just an abstract from the statement, did not realise that was it in full... :o Cheers for the reply Shaker, though those words do not instill me with huge confidence, all he has said is he is not guilty. I am more interested with K-P's post. :confused::)

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There you go mate :D

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Cheers MCR :) As I have just posted, thought there was more to it than just that, am waiting for K-P to fill us in.....:):)
Cheers once again lads....

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Cavanagh's column - Accrington Stanley FC - Football - Sport - Accrington Observer

That's what he wrote in the paper this week VALAIRIAN

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Think all we will find out is how they are pleading, not guilty I would think. We will just have to wait and see.... :):)

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I expect after 8 years that he would ahve at least nodded or somehtign when he passed me by and yes I tried but gave up years ago.. whats with the stupid comment about me expectign every player to say hello? not every player has been there that long... Hence why i think he is ignorant.. its my opinion..

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I was only asking because if you have not tried to say hello or something to him than he may think the same of you thats all.

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So what has cavanagh been charged with ...anyone ?

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Cheers MCR :) Some good words, just hope that they are all truthful..:confused: We must wait and see......

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then you might want to say that when you post instead of coming accross insulting? i might be a so and so on here... i like being a so and so on here :).. but i am confident that you wont find anyone in real life who doesnt think I am friendly :)

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Not too sure K-P? Thought it was breaching F.A. Rules regarding betting on League 2 matches????

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Correct... two matches... one he denies and will fight.. the other he might not fight... and he might lose..i never said he was innocent :) . But ask yourself a very important question.. if he did lose why would you find that bad valairian ?