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oh dear :(

Cav , rocky, harris, mangan all charged..

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And Mannix.

Fire them both. Conference standard players anyway.

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Now on fishy site

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They should have been arrested and charged, never mind "Breach of Rules"

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So, IF they're found guilty, presumably, we could get a points deduction?

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Not condoning it or anything, but the amounts seem to differ a bit between Cav and the other four... thousands compared to a fiver on an accumulator? Does that mean he just included Bury amongst his teams to win? Still out of order if so, but far less and very harsh to include him in the same catagory as the other four. Or have I misunderstood?

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other than Cavs £5 accumulator, where have the others got that kind of money from?

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this is what coley and eric thought when they heard the news last year
YouTube - Accrington Stanley Exactly! Episode6 pt3 watch from 3.50 onwards, They must be earning quite alot of money to bet like that, but the car park is always full of bmw's and audi's so they aint cheap are they.

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eeerm from teh FA website

Cavanagh has also been charged with further breaches in
relation to his betting on another Accrington Stanley match in which he
played and on a number of other League Two matches.

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TheFA.com - Five players charged

Leighton McGivern also mentioned

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Betting

7. A Participant shall not, either directly or indirectly bet, or instruct, permit or enable any person for the Participant’s benefit to bet, on the result, progress or conduct of a Match or Competition.

8. A Participant shall not provide to any other person any information relating to football which the Participant has by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly available with the intention that it be used by the other person for or in relation to betting.

9. A Participant shall not breach Rule E7 or 8 above where the Participant can prove that:

1. the bet was on authorised and registered football pools; or
2. the bet was on a Match or Competition in which the Participant was not participating or had no influence, either direct or indirect.

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The club are taking the innocent until proven guilty line and to be fair thats all they can do.. I ahve some strong thoughts on this as I am sure we all have... but until its done and dusted and proven then I am keeping shtum ..

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What an embarassing mess - proverbial has hit the fan me thinks... :(

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...ng_162325t.jpg
Former Accrington Stanley player Peter Cavanagh is one of the players who have been charged

Does The Independent know something? Look at the caption on the pic.

Players charged over gambling - News & Comment, Football - The Independent

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i hope to see none of the involved in a red shirt ever again if guilty of this.Pure greed,it shows to me how much they think of the supporters who pay to see them week in week out

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were Sheff Wednesday deducted points when Swann,Kay,Layne, were found guilty of match fixing? memory's not great but thought they were banned fer life end of? that charge was even more serious to me.:( or is it not the same fer top level players?:rolleyes:

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With regards to our current players, I just pray that this is one huge misunderstanding.

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Very much doubt, it'll go as far as that. The clubs not to blame on this occassion. The individuals are.

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They got jailed.

1964 British betting scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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yeh am aware of that jeff, but the football ban was fer life, later reduced i think. can't remember the club being penalised?

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Anyone feel like asking for a refund on their season tickets?

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not this kid.:) its que sera.

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Some interesting reading on devachat.

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Two words :- OH DEAR

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5 words - OH Store High In Transit

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lol :)

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Can't help but wonder how many more games and if any other players where involved, I would think it's unusual to get caught the first time.

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Must say, neither Rocky or Cav were players I'd have guessed to be involved with it all.

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Get all of them out, well at least the ones that are still here.

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No I can't remember the club being penalised either.

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I disagree. Innocent until proven guilty is the best way to go. The club has to support the players until a verdict is made.

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What is or isn't going to happen to the players is way down on my list of priorities at the moment...far more concerned about the possible consequences for the club.

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Suspension involves no guilt or innocence - it is not a punishment. It is avoiding embarrassment to all concerned.

In this case, the fans (home and away) and other players will be suspicious of those involved. Stanley fans will wonder how many times Cavanagh, for example, has been involved in betting against his own team - and they may reflect on events such as own goals that we can recall. It would be far better to suspend those invloved and keep them away from any potential embarrassment.

As I said, that would happen in any other profession. It does NOT assume guilt.

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In any other profession - cops, medicine, teaching - then once accusations like this are made, then suspension follows, pending the outcome of investigation and enquiry. I can't see any difference here. They won't be playing in the next few weeks.


Ahhh.......same thinking

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Suspension is most definitely a punishment for the players. Needless to say, it also puts the club in a more difficult position on the pitch.

The difference with similar everyday circumstances is that it's a football club, not the real world.

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As Tealeaf says, it is the same in other professions. Would you want your child to be taught by a teacher against whom an allegation has been made, rightly or wrongly? Would you want to be treated by a doctor who has been accused of negligence, rightly or wrongly? If and when any allegations against the teacher or doctor are proved to be unfounded, that is the end of the problem.

Potentially, indeed it does. We have to live with that. We have to do what is right, not what is expedient.

This is very much the real world. It's the world of law, order and justice. Wynonie has a specific worry about the club - and quite right, too. If the players are found guilty and the club is punished, we'll see whether or not it's the real world.

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I would normally agree with you on this but haven't the club set a precedent by not suspending Dunsavin and Grant when they were accused of nightclub thuggery? You can't really have one law for one and one law for another.

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The analogies don't work.
How do the allegations affect you, or indeed any other fan? Apprehension, anxiety over what's to come? What's new?!
Rumour, suspicion from other teams' fans? That's going to happen anyway, with any of our players now the story is out.
The club's name dragged through the mud? Already happening!

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They should be suspended with immediate effect. It would be in their own interest. There is no guilt attached. Disrepute springs to mind, not only the players but more so the Club. We are already the laughing stock, but I dread to think what we will become especially if we continue to play these two.It just shows what these players think of Accrington Stanley, no respect. How many more are involved? But keeping their heads down, maybe we will never know but people will always wonder,and speculate.

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The item was just mentioned on the national BBC radio news.:(

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How can anyone who never played in the game be accused of influencing the outcome??

I haven't read the relevant rules that there meant to have broken but surely if they looked at our squad, looked at there's and thought we were going to lose and were not involved in the game, couldn't they have bet just like you or I would do??

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I do not think we can suspend the players for rest of the season! Like someone else said when grant and bavs who go on trail in June/July i think got charged with it! The club did not do anything until they have been proven guilty or not guilty and thats the way to go! But this is from the bury forum
Know where you're coming from shakersince92, except it was common knowledge in the WEEK before the game. Hence the change of Ref, and the fact that all betting on the game was stopped a few days earlier.

The reason given at the time was they thought some of the AS were going to be at a stag do and so they were not likely to be very interested (I thought the stag do was to be after the game and a number of AS players were going to pull out causing them to field a weakened side, BEFORE the Bookies/FA got wind of it)

Their lack of interest/non attendance plus Bury's recent good away form (at the time) and the biggest point which everyone is overlooking, is that the Bookies had actually got their initial odds wrong! caused the betting interest in the game

The scale of the betting alerted the bookies who then alerted the FA, who I feel pretty sure would have spoken to both AS and Bury prior to the game and before they changed the Ref. There are reports that the FA had people at the ground to monitor proceedings and report back, presumably done with the full co-operation of AS in the main, but also with Bury.

Its quite feasible the bookies, in particular, had an idea who was behind the betting and reported it back to the FA. Looking at the way the charges are framed and that neither AS or Bury as clubs (other as than their employers) are mentioned points to the fact it is the players who the FA are really interested in.

In the 60s betting scandal (albeit slightly different) neither Sheff Wed nor Ipswich Town were in any way reprimanded

I dont think there is any need to read any more into the 'no comment' statements by AS or us, the matter is still 'sub judice' and as such any comment could be perceived to have a detrimental affect (either way) on the final outcome and any punishments should there be any

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Footballers know the rules on gambling, I actually think they are not even allowed to play the pools let alone at the bookies, much in the same way that jockey's aren't allowed to bet on houses.

The thing that annoys me is the fact that people like you lads on here pay your hard earned money to watch these cheats play for Stanley and try there best, not sell you down the river like that, Only hope you give um some stick whenever possible, as I'm sure you will:(

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There is nothing currently 'sub-judice' whatsoever. The FA has no legal standing as a Court of Law and as such we are free to say what we like, within the usual boundaries. That situation, will of course, change should the police and subsequently the CPS decide to bring charges before a court. Only then could sub-judice be deemed to apply.

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probably fortunately both players are out of contract shortly.

There obviously HAS been a bet placed because the FA have taken nearly 12 months to give out those financial statements.

bye-bye.

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Wonder how Coley feels about his own players who he has brought in and trusted that they will play to the best of there ability feels now the FA have charged two of our players with it! Will Cav and Rocky be in the squad on Saturday if they arnt who will replace them? Bell, Murdock, Leam if fit, Murphy if fit!

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i would hope they are not in any squads until this matter is resolved.

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Wasn't it the bookies who tipped off the FA following a lot of suspicious activity in the Liverpool area betting shops? I think so

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Yes it was as someone from the bury forum pointed out! What get's me though is how they found out it was them!

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A bury fan just said

Just seen Eric Whalley on SSN, and he's stated if any AS player found guilty they will immediately be dismissed. So got it on now waiting for it to come on.

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Its not hard..... You get bank statements & you get betting slips.....

£4k drawn out of D Mannix account night before Bury game. £4k in Mannix local bookies on Bury win v Acc

Mannix can't explain to the satisfaction of the FA, where he spent his 4k.....

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10pages of what dale think
RochdaleAFC.com - Rochdale

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thick dumb players you would have got away if you would have saved up money over a few weeks than put it on in different places and not doing it in person you thick ~~~~~ so all should never play 4 the club again time for cav rocky to go

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This is not good.

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The matter is still sub-judice as far as the disciplinary process, to which ASFC as an FA member club, must adhere. Basic employment law requires of any employer that it does not pre-judge the outcome of a disciplinary processs, no matter how damning the prima facie case may be.

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How stupid do you have to be to get caught...

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If found guilty all the players concerned should be banned from playing professional football for the remainder of their playing careers.

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Just listened to Eric Whalleys interview on look northwest ..

BBC SPORT | Football | League Two | Five charged with betting on game

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This is totally different, one is shutting up a big mouthed manc the other is cheating, their team mates, their club and most of all their fans. I haven't checked but could this result have influenced promotion, play offs or relegation, are we likely to be sued if any are found guilty?

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Sued on what basis? The only game they have been charged on is the bury game and they won! So why would bury sue?

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i think the point is whether the outcome of the Bury match meant that another team was denied promotion or relegated, thus opening the floodgates for a Sheff Utd type lawsuit - albeit not for £30m!

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Just look where they all come from.;);)

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I saw one of Tony Kay's "come back" games for Northern All Stars v Skem. He came from Attercliffe area of Sheffield ie local to Don Valley stadium

When his ban was finally lifted he was a shadow of his former self as a player.

Bronco Layne and Swan returned to Wednesday and Swan played about 20 games for Wednesday after the ban was lifted. Swan then went to Bury scoring his first Football League goal on his debut.

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That's exactly what I was thinking.:(

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Next years ground sponsors are going to ladbrokes :tongueout

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well look at games this year just ONE BRADFORD CITY LOL

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True but of course a lot of them get their mates to place the bets when fixing matches, are the fans entitled to their money and travelling expenses back?

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:) :) :)

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I am absolutely gutted by this. Players from my team, betting against my team. The FA would not have released the names if they was any doubt of their guilt ( they would leave themselves open to all sorts of legal isues). I’m not bothered if it was £5 £50 or £500,000, the point is, they gambled on my team losing.
Now I think back how often has this betting against Stanley, by Stanley players, been going on.
Cavanagh is often romping forward and leaving the defence vulnerable on the counter attack, like last Saturday against Lincoln Phil had to move out to the right to cover for Cavanagh, leaving a massive hole in the centre for the Lincoln players to exploit. How many times has this happened? As the club captain he should set and lead by example. (I’m not saying the Lincoln match was dodgy, I’m just citing an example that will be fresh in the minds of others)
Williams and Harris, how many needless penalties, free kicks, and sending offs have they been involved with.
Was Mannix useless on purpose? Did Mangan keep running to the wing so he wouldn’t be in a scoring position?
I hope the FA ban them all from football stadiums for life. Never to play, never to manage and never to watch.

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Mangan played for Forest Green tonight

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He is leading by example he decide to bet against the club on £5 and some of the other players followed his example by betting money :D joke.
On a more serious note! On Saturday will he be in the squad? Will he be club captain or will Phill Edwards be given it or another team member? The money they won and they must of won a fair bit with them betting 4k, 3.5k, 2k and 1k and whatever Cav won. They should donated it to the club or a chairty of the club's choice!

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Their not guilty until proven! Could of been any Peter Cavanagh, theirs loads in this world........ :rolleyes: like this one. Google Image Result for http://www.priory.lancs.ac.uk/gifs/peter.jpg

:cool:

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Just watched Eric's statement BBC SPORT | Football | League Two | Five charged with betting on game

Surely the club had an internal enquiry?

Tinpot to the end.

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I've kept quiet all day till i've calmed down which isn't happening until i get a few things off my chest. I'm with redash on this btw. how long has this been going on? how does everyone feel paying into games knowing that stanley aren't going to win and the players have aledgedly already decided the outcome of the game? The biggest thing that is bugging me is that these will not be the only players to have had bet, they just will not be able to prove the rest!

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Posted via Mobile Device. To think i sat there with some of them on that bury match grr stupid guys! Did they think they wouldnt get found out??? Gee times must of been 'aard for them to be so silly abusing their careers!!! Its very disappointing more so from the captain.

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I think the most surprising thing to come out of all this, is that bookies were taking bets on Bury winning that game. Every man and his dog knew we'd lose.

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Posted via Mobile Device. Have to agree with neil, tommy & yonmon comments it does disgrace the badge crest.

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Posted via Mobile Device. Lol TM i was quite surprised myself surely a dead cert has poor odds??

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In reply to yonmon's post
When we play chester, will Mannix be playing as since the incident where he was in hospital he has told he can leave the club but he has been playing a couple of games! and Harris is in hospital with meningitis.

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I have read somewhere today that Stanley players were at a stag party on the night before the Bury match. Is that true?

If it is true, can it be right that players are allowed to attend such an event on the night before a match?

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I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with Yonmon. I feel that to include either of these two players in the team before the whole business is resolved would be an enormous gaffe on the club’s part. “Innocent until proven guilty” is all very well, but in any other profession they would be suspended on full pay pending the results of the enquiry.

This in no way prejudices their position and is not an assumption of guilt but it does show the seriousness with which the club views the matter, as well as protecting the players from the inevitable abuse that they will suffer from fans of Stanley and opposition alike.

If they are later found guilty, then let them be suspended for life and, as far as the two are concerned who actually played in the game, then maybe criminal charges will be brought against them, as they were against Swan, Kay and Layne all those years ago – if this results in a similar jail sentence, then so be it.

As far as I am concerned, I just feel a tremendous sense of betrayal, especially from the club captain, who stands accused of betraying my beloved football club for 30 pieces (sorry- £5 worth) of silver.

If he turns out to be innocent, then I apologise but until the truth is known, I would prefer not to see him or his full-back partner in a Stanley shirt.

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Why the hell should they be protected, it's a disgrace.:mad:

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Said i'd never post on this forum again but having read and listened to some of the stuff surrounding this betting scandal it makes you wonder.If minds are cast back to certain games,bradford home to name but one,how can we lead 2-0 for 60 or 70 mins be so far on top and then suddenly wham inside of 10 or 12 mins we are 3-2 down ?.kind of makes you start to think a little longer on how it could happen,and thats not the only time we've dominated a game and in some cases lost it in the diing seconds to a stupid defensive blunder.Before certain people jump down my throat just take a while to think about where i'm coming from,Accy are deep in my heart and the last thing they need right now is all this hanging over the club like a dark cloud.If the worst case scenario came into it and the league decided to dock points,(sincerely hope not) and they could depending on what the outcome is then the last few weeks of grafting some hard fought results will all be in vane.I sincerely hope it sorts itself out and the good name of ACCRINGTON STANLEY remains a name to be reckoned with in the world of professional fooball.
THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS AND MINE ALONE.:confused::o

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No they cant.. dont know where you get that from mate but the club is not in danger of losing points.. no matter what the outcome is. thank goodness :) I was always under the impression that the club would be in trouble for all this.. I was very happy to find out I am wrong and the club will not suffer through any penalties or anything by the league.

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Cav and Rockie should be suspended now until the hearing

Anyone found guilty sacked on the spot...

No other options surely???

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This is just the tip of the iceberg it's only since computerised betting that the bookies have been able to spot this scam, if six players send ten mates each into betting shops throughout the country it's very hard to spot. Their mobile phone records would make very interesting reading, whatever the outcome it's a kick in the teeth for the fans who turn up week in, week out in all weathers. I wouldn't watch a football match if you paid me but I feel so sorry and angry for the supporters

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Posted via Mobile Device. Agree with ya there timmins that should be suspended pending further investigation has been dealt with, as any employee would have to adhere to & proven guilty final red card from the club, spot on.

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I've just reread the BBC report of the Bury match. It ends with 'substitute Leighton McGivern scuffed a golden opportunity late on'.

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Posted via Mobile Device. Mind u im sure the fa will deal with them appropiately that it may be out of the clubs hands anyway.

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I don't doubt for 1 second that the guys are guilty, and there's no smoke without fire.

But I was on a stag do that weekend and remember the odds being pretty amazing for Bury to win.

I would never bet on Stanley losing, but was very very tempted.

Bury were massively overpriced. Any idiot could have seen that.

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spot on john, gives me no pleasure to say it but it should be no other way.:(

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:) Totally agree with you Redash,looking back at saturdays game there first goal came from the right were cav was surpost to be!!bang goal .there 2nd goal came from a pass give away from rocky!! bang goal.. these two if guilty should be shown the DOOR and never be alloud to step foot any where near our club;completly gutted by this:( should be dropped suspended,