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Accrington Stanley have been subjected to a transfer embargo by the Football League, however we would like to reassure supporters that this will be resolved very quickly.

Cashflow is an issue at the club from time to time and the postponement of the Burton Albion game at the end of this month has had a knock on effect and meant that we haven't paid this month's payment to HMRC.

We have however spoken with them today and assured them that the payment will be made in a timely manner, hopefully early next week, which will in turn see the embargo lifted.

New Football League regulations introduced this season mean that any club falling behind on payments to HMRC is automatically immediately embargoed.

Accrington Stanley

That oaf has no clue what he's doing running a football club. Manager of day-to-day operations my left one. Twice since Christmas payments have been missed. We won't be given any leeway by HMRC after the previous debacle. SORT IT OUT.

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I am very sure that this will be sorted out by messers Khan and Marsden!!!

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It probably will, but that's not the point. The director of operations shouldn't sit around waiting for hand outs to pay the bills; if he at all knew what he was doing he'd be pro-active and prevent any financial ****-ups making things tough for Coley - again. Cover for when Flynn & Kee are away with NI will have to wait.

"This won't happen again", we heard after the time they "thought we had longer to pay". Absolutely ridiculous.

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Absolutely shocking that this should happen again

As Shaker says a couple of lads on international duty, pick up a red & few injuries could curtail any play-off aspirations

Things take time we know but everytime something like this happens we can't expect the begging bowl to go out to Ilyas & Peter

The time has come for Loweiys idea of no one person holding more than 35% to come to fruition sooner rather than later

That must be be with genuine input from the fans at Boardroom Level

Whether that comes via a Trust or whatever it has to happen soon!

Why have we no Stadium Sponsor?
Why do we not have Match Sponsors for every game?

These are income steams get them tapped

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whilst clubs like ours exist on a shoestring, the fact this has happened again so quickly, i can only assume the manager was NOT aware of this at the begining of the week, hence his comment in the media, he was hoping to sign a defender on monday/tuesday, this to me goes deeper than the DON, these people must have known at the start of this week,payment was not going to be made with tuesdays postponement, yet nothing once again was said.:( i question were Ilyas n Peter put in picture? i assume not. after saying this would not happen again, i can only reach the conclusion that certain people are NOT up to the job! Transparency thats a laugh,:( what has happened once again is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.:mad:

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Could not believe it when I read this on fishy site, how stupid do they think we are?
Ilyas sorted their cock-up out just after Christmas and assured everyone it would not happen again - and yet in no time at all it has!
The statement says we couldn't pay this week blaming cash flow problems because the Burton game was postponed but that we'll pay early next week - where is the extra money coming from before then, Ilyas' pocket once again?
This is the one bill we cannot make late payment on and after all Ilyas has already done he shouldn't be expected to fork out over & over for run of the mill bills because whoever is responsible for these things on a day to day basis can't do their job!

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I too have no doubt that this will be the case, however I do hope not by putting hands in pockets.......................this just cannot be allowed to happen time and time again.

Im very much with Shaker on this.

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do they even know?:confused:

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Just imagine if we had played all our postponed games,how much we would have had.
Its unfortunate but lets not all go off our heads. It will be sorted. I had to delay paying my council tax bill in November because I paid £700 for repairs to my car. Chill out.

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I take your point, to a degree, however O'Neil has proved over and over again that He has no clue whatsoever!!

Once again it is the team that suffer because someone in charge of the day to day running of the Club has screwed up.

It wont happen again we were promised, well it has and now IMHO enough is enough, Mr O'Neil has to step aside at the earliest opportunity and allow Ilyas and Peter to put someone in place who can do the damn job!

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Don't worry Cashy, I've been told they are fully aware of what's going on

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not a case of that, case of rebuilding trust which has failed miserably IMHO.

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Hardly the same situation - we've all had times when we've had to shuffle the bills around but as has been said the HMRC cannot and must not be kept waiting for their money and for this to happen twice in as many months is infuriating

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Two questions

1) How much revenue was lost through the Buton game being postponed?


2) How much revenue was gained from the bumper crowd against Bradford last Saturday when the Club were caught short with higher than expected away fans?

I ain't no specialist but I would guess there would not be much between them

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it cost 15.000 to hire a dome so would it not be a good thing say 50%50 split with team so games go on. fleetwood did it v dover in a nite game

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It’s a simple equation really; reduced income creates pressure in the system and with the shear number of abandoned games means the shoe string wares to a thread and eventually **** happens. I would have thought that under the agreement of Mr. Khan’s input at the end of last year he would be informed; governance is his responsibility.

We can’t keep blaming Mr. O’Neil or anyone else for what is a fluctuation of means which is likely to continue due to adverse conditions outside the control of those in control; Even if Mr. Khan bought the club outright, short falls would occasionally occur.

I can only see three options; Mr. Khan or someone else buy the club (keep pompy, notts and Chester in mind)

We sell the cutting edge players or we find the means to keep the income coming in during the fluctuations in played games or out of season.

Forget equality ownership; even if you can get people to buy a maximum 35% it’s not going to mean they will all keep putting money in. Unless we can keep the minimum required income up; this will keep happening.

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No one's blaming O'Neill for cirumstances beyond his control; it's the inability to deal with these inevitable situations that will obviously occur throughout the season. His title is director of day to day operations yet he is clearly not dealing with them sufficiently. Twice since Christmas payments to HMRC have been missed. This should be our first priority after the way the club has behaved in their eyes over the past few years! The first instance of a missed payment because "we thought we had more time to pay" was ridiculous enough. For a payment to be missed again is a downright failure on the part of the people running the club day-to-day, IMHO.

But should it? The people in charge of the day to day running of the club have been there long enough by now. Why haven't they increased the club's income from non footballong activities and secured more sponsership? Are they able to do so? If not, at the very least they need help. We know HMRC aren't mucking about and really we should have anticipated losing a few games to the weather in winter. I don't have any answers and not being local I don't know what efforts the club are making but can the powers that be honestly say they've done all they can? If so, is it time to admit that the job us too big for them?

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We also now have has many people behind the scenes in one role or another as we have ever had:confused:

The problem in the past we were always told was too much time was spent on day to day firefighting and not enough bodies so what's the problem now?

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The club's statement doesn't ring true. The club would have known the amount to pay at the end of February. HMRC required payment either by cheque at their offices on 19 March or by cleared funds in their bank account on 22 March. These dates are the same every month and should be well known to those at the club responsible for paying HMRC. Both are before the Burton match was due to be played. It seems someone's trying to pull the wool over our eyes and I'm guessing that Ilyas and Peter haven't been kept in the loop. In some companies heads would roll!

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Either I'm reading that wrong or you are a month ahead of things Mike

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It's probably January's debt.

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Just imagine how Coley and Jimmy must be feeling. On the verge of the play-offs and their hands tied behind their backs ONCE AGAIN. :mad:

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thats one of my gripes, assume they were not kept in loop, as coley was trying to sign a player early this week.:(

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Why are we still lurching from crisis to crisis? Something is apparently wrong in the day-to-day running of this club. If I were Coley, in the light of this, I would be touting my availabilty to any club who might be interested. I think, when you're looking at the play-offs and you've lined loan deals up, this might be the straw that breaks the camel's back! Good luck, Coley, at whichever well organised club you choose to go to! I just feel SO sad! You deserve better than this tinpot outfit!

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:( The team set of this morning to Torquay about 9.15 and this news was first posted Today at 17:54 so may be JC & JB and the team don't know:(:(

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team may not know mab, but doubt if J.C. don't,after all he was unable to sign that player. assume they told him when they couldn't avoid it.

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True cashy :)

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Good morning everyone. i am just getting ready to go to torquay. i was in Accy yesterday and went with Rob Heys and Peter Marsden to meet a variety of people, including our new accountants and Hyndburn Borough Council.

I found out about the situation with the embargo on Tuesday this week. Whilst its not good in any way shape or form, i would suggest that there has been a degree of over reaction on this forum. Remember, In times past the club would not have posted the update on the website - so I would hope that at least some credit might be found for the fact that the club has been pro active. And the amount is entirely manageable, in fact its barely 10% of the amount that was the petition debt in October.

However, I do agree that the signal is not positive, but I would suggest that there is a tad over reaction in some of the messages. Doug - your comments are particularly off the mark. I have invited you in the past to come and let me benefit from your obvious wisdom (you seem to have all the answers to every problem). Please do now take up the offer and come to the club and tell me what I should be doing. And i am keen to learn from you what exactly "governance" might imply when you use the phrase.

For the rest of us - fans, directors and players - I would like to think we should be focused on the next game. and then the one after that. Get my drift.

Turning now to "blame". This thread is titled "get oneil out now". Yes, David and Rob manage the club day to day, and yes, this incident is clearly something that should have been planned for better. If anyone has a right to be angry, it is me. I do not think this particular oversight has the weight or seriousness that has been implied, and I am very sure that when David and I next meet with the rest of the board, we will try to figure out how to avoid these situations. But please believe me when I say that I am very happy that the club took the opportunity to pro-actively inform the community of something that woudl not otherwise have been in the public domain.

I will close by confirming that I will inject the shortfall that will be required, and as the Telegraph story points out, the signing is just delayed.

I hope that later on this evening the threads will return to the subject of the footy game.

take care all - and Doug, I really do mean what i say. Hiding behind the bulletin boards has gone on for long enough. Please make an appointment and come and see me at the club. I would love to be lectured to by you and I am sure I will benefit, as will the club, from your wisdom and your commercial acuity. My mobile is 07826 600600. Ring it. come and see me please.

Ilyas

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Ilyas, just to say once again, thank you for coming on here and answering the questions, which in turn, puts our mind at ease! :) I also take on board fully the point of the club keeping us informed of this, rather than the dark secretive days under the EW regime!! :) Take care and help the lads bring back 3 points from Torquay!!!!

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:) Morning Ilyas! And thank you for your post this morning :)

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Oops. I am. For 'end of February' read 'end of January' and March read February. But it doesn't affect the point I was making.

Now for 3 points at Torquay. :)

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thanks fer responding Ilyas, sorry i have to disagree about this not being serious, it is in the fact that with our low gates, it is vital trust is rebuilt, given what occured last october, to my mind this incident cannot have helped one little bit.:(

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Thanks Ilyas, its not that this message board is over reacting, its mearely concerned about yourself and the club, we really appreciate what u have done for the club and its supporters that we are concerned that u will be footing the bill rather than the club prioritising its finances and managing them better, forecasting postponed games and keeping to what we can afford. Revenue streams had improved with high gate games of recent plus success of club shop, in light of this, club is forever robbing peter to pay paul senario, never catching up. That is the issue and yourself and peter cant keep bailing em out forever and that u both shouldn't need to nor should that be relied on.
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Cheers, Ilyas and I take your point about the new era of transparency at the club. What bothers me is how all this looks to the general public out there in the Accrington and East Lancs area. Those who aren't dedicated supporters of the club like us and who don't read the messageboard and so don't know the full story. All they're going to see is the newspaper headlines, reinforcing the impression of "same old Stanley - lurching from crisis to crisis." These are the people who we're hoping to entice to maybe just a few matches a season or perhaps to pick up a little item of Stanley merchandise when they're in town.

I fully admit that unlike Doug, I know nothing of business finance, but surely there must be a better way of doing it than this?

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this is what i was alluding to, to me aint about convincing the regulars, was many folk far n wide aided stanley during our darkest hours, its about attempting to attract some of those who have never been near the crown, to perhaps come along, that task is difficult to begin with, things like this do not help. IMHO.

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Thanks Ilyas, I for one look forward to meeting you in Torquay this afternoon. To those who say we stumble along with small crowds, we have had an increase in support since last season and now have an average attendance figure of over 2,000, so somebody is doing something right. Lets get behind The board and the management and team. In Ilyas we trust, I think he has said all we need to know and if Dave O'Niell is god enough for him, then he's good enough for me

PS that average is without the SOS and all cup games included!

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thanks Iylas

One question - why cant Dave Oneill or Rob Heys communicate on this board with the fans.
We know that they read it, so why cant they post on it?

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Thanks Ilyas for your message. I'm sorry if I started and titled this thread in haste or over-reaction but I can't say that the sentiment has budged one bit since. As you say, there is a small positive to be found in the fact that we found out from the official club website rather than the plackards. However there are two issues that understandably worry the fans; firstly the relationship with HMRC is being rebuilt on rockier ground than is necessary (with regards to the two payments made late since Christmas), secondly the public perception of the club can only suffer through these failures and at a time when the club is failing to secure sponsorship in the most important areas, this type of publicity is not helpful. Extending the issue of public perception, come Monday the Lancashire Evening Telegraph is bound to do the club its usual injustice and although us fans can expect, prepare and ignore the piece; the likelihood that the rest of its readership will do the same is slim. That's not even mentioning the strangling effect upon Coley's tasks that he doesn't need. I'm happy to put this thread to bed but as said at the start, the sentiment continues and the repercussions remain. Now to focus our energies on Torquay; Saturday is Stanley day. :)

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I appreciate your comments and thank you for your commitment as always Ilyas.

Mistakes & Bungles do happen that is a fact of life with us humans

There is a perception and I may be on my own here but I very much doubt it that all last years troubles and the way everything was handled left a very deep scar with everyone connected with the Club especially Supporters who rallied in every way shape & form to our striken Clubs plight.

We have a had a few communications from the Club that to say the least that have either had a hollow ring or a very soft underbelly to them and have certainly left me with a bad feeling of Deja Vu.

On the field things have gone from strength to strength while off it some things have improved others things seeem to have just lurched along as they always have.

The Club must be at the forefront with Stong Leadership, Passion Drive and Commitment to firstly help rebuild bridges and earn back the trust with fans and then look at reaching out to the rest of the Community to help build on solid foundations being created on the playing side of things.

Only then will the scar really begin to heal

As I say these are my feelings and I apologise if I cause any offence

I want to be passionate about my team our team

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Just read the thread and can't see what is wrong with what Doug said to be honest :confused:

I work with people who have no real interest with the club and they tell me Stanley haven't been paying their bills again :eek: its just the perception some people have of the club.

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I would think this line caused great offence

"I can only see three options; Mr. Khan or someone else buy the club (keep pompy, notts and Chester in mind) "

I suspect it's bad grammar on Doug's part ( at least I hope I'm right ). I think what Doug meant is if Ilyas doesn't buy the club ( which he has made clear he doesn't want to if memory serves right ), then you could have an outsider buying it and taking it the same way as the clubs mentioned.

Unfortunatley it reads like he was putting Ilyas in with the mercenaries

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Oh I read it as if some strangers come along and buy the club it might go t***s up :D

I think it might have been the governance bit :confused:

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Maybe it's just the way I read it then :)

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Shurm & Dave cheers for your foresight; people do read things differently and as I often write on the hoof I can understand that what I say can be misunderstood.

Let me make one point first; I don’t have any grievance against Mr. Khan, quite the opposite. I have a lot of respect for what Mr. Khan and Mr. Marsden have done for the club and quite rightly had they had not done what they did we would have no club today. But I am mindful of the contribution of Mr. O’Neil and all of those individuals who put their hands in their pockets to help the cause, we seem to forget them.

Dave you are correct in your assumption, it was poor grammar on my part. When I made the governance remark what I meant it to read was; Mr. Khan should have been notified immediately this issue became known.

I not going to apologise for my posts; I make mistakes like anyone else. But my overall point was leave people alone; yes they are cocking up, but sooner or later things will come together.

Income is the main problem; Mr. O’Neil made it clear the he was not going to input loads of cash and we don’t need any more loans; Mel said that it wasn’t right for Mr. Khan to keep putting his hand in is pocket and that is true. I know he loves the club, but he shouldn’t be there just as a piggy bank for the club or the fans but I do respect his actions are keeping us above water.

I wasn’t hurt by the comments made. I’m a big boy and I don’t take offence really and I don’t have any answers.

Today’s result was gutting; we need the confidence that away wins bring and we need the income that home gates bring, postponed games will hit us hard and bills will be missed, given our history I doubt that the excise man will be the only unpaid debt.

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Part of my reason for the 35% of the club owned by the fans is to generate and save money through a full and frank understanding of how the clubs is run. If we had 2 or more fans on the board that were voted in each year by the fans then the level of understaning and help that could be provided would only increase. If the club has 1000 fans as share holders that may mean 1000 good ideas fed straight into the club at board level. Its not just about 1000 x £100 for the shares, its about helping the club before its too late and providing a frame work for true open discussion. Most companies spend vast sums of money trying to find out what their customers want, we would have that information and whats more as share holders we would have a say.

Is that so bad?

A new share option must take place this summer and be open to all

Stephen Lowe

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Totally agree and should be affordable for all not like the last one, just a share and no frills:rolleyes:

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To be fair Google Page Ranking, the last one was only aimed at making money, to pay off the debt!! Next time round, it will be aimed at involving fans - I hope!! :) :)

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I understand Joe:)

But how many of those shares were purchased & how much was actually raised?

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Yet another disaster from ASFC publicity point of view :(

BIG changes are needed at the club in the summer behind the scenes, simple as that.

Hopefully Ilyas will have it all sorted :)

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[quote=loweiy;792890]Part of my reason for the 35% of the club owned by the fans is to generate and save money through a full and frank understanding of how the clubs is run. If we had 2 or more fans on the board that were voted in each year by the fans then the level of understaning and help that could be provided would only increase. If the club has 1000 fans as share holders that may mean 1000 good ideas fed straight into the club at board level. Its not just about 1000 x £100 for the shares, its about helping the club before its too late and providing a frame work for true open discussion. Most companies spend vast sums of money trying to find out what their customers want, we would have that information and whats more as share holders we would have a say.

Is that so bad?

A new share option must take place this summer and be open to all

Stephen, I do see your point and it is a good idea in view of understand and managing the financial aspects of the club and for generating ideas; but I stumble with the possible financial implications; Once you issue shares and sell them all your income from that source of capital dries up, if we where wise and invested that money it would have a limited annual benefit from interest after that your then only left with gate receipts, sponsorship and fund raising from the fan base to raise further capital and we saw what limitations fund raising had during the SOS drive for survival. Who is going to invest long term, a single wealthy owner or a collective with financial means would see the club through a crisis; if it was left to the fans alone we would struggle. That's the way I see it; if I'm wrong please show me how it would work.

I agree about a share issue taking place but give me time to get some money together.

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What baffles me about all this is how Ilyas has managed to become a millionaire merchant banker and Doug's a Fylde coast care assistant ??? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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cashman, i am sorry i took so long to reply. the post torquay blues took a day to lift - and even now i feel awful.

ON your message I just want to say that i did not say (and would not say) that the embargo is not serious. in fact its a negative that cannot be apologised away. However I really do think that there is a degree of over-reaction here. However, i think we are all singing from the same hymn sheet, and we (that is the club) have a long way to go before we start getting back to the sort of consistent standards of achievement off the field that our fans and stake holder base should come to expect.

Also, can i just say how interesting i find the whole conversation about equity ownership. I have no fixed opinions on this, except that I truly believe that in time ASFC can be a vibrant, well run and solvent organisation. However the capital and invstment needed to get there (in fact the capital needed just to clear the decks) could not have been a commercial decision. Squaring this circle is very difficult, and whilst its easy to sit on the sidelines and theorise, I can tell you that the reasons behind my decision bear little relationship to much of what I find being written here on this board. Its not that i agree or disagree, I just think that in circumstances such as this, words are cheap, and I dont recall anyone else turning up to the party. At the end of the day therefore i had to make a quick decision, and one which I DO NOT regret at all. My objectives have become somewhat different, and at some point I will expand more on this. I find myself picking up great pointers each time i speak to people, and some of the ideas generated on this board are informing and influencing my thoughts. No question about it. So once again, whilst its been tough, I DO NOT regret at all putting up the cash, and helping out, and hoping now to build the platform that can see us really stabilise.

Cashy, sorry to use my reply to your post to write this, but I just wanted to get something off before the weekend is over.

Ilyas

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In terms of the payment being missed, would it not have not been easier to put off paying trade creditors for a few weeks in order to pay HMRC?

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BDC was that a question posed to me or just generally fired off into the ether ? May i please rquest that when people (or i should say if people) want to direct questions to me then please will you say so explicitly. thank you.

That way, even if i miss a question i normally get an email or a text from people who read the board and bring it to my attention.

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Also, in terms of the actual stewardship of the club I think that things do seem to be improving in particular on the club shop side. The only thing that concerns me is that Mr O'Neill is in charge of the day to day operations and the missed payment must fall under his remit surely? Contingency plans must be put into place in order to ensure that the risk of cancelled games is minimised and that a pot of money could be kept aside to help keep the club ticking over in times of need.

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Ilyas,

It was just a general question not directed straight at yourself but if you wish to answer it then that would be good. It was not aimed as a criticism either it just that I have worked for a company previously that struggled to pay creditors. We generally tried to make sure that we paid HMRC first and then the rest after this.

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Hello BDC. thanks for that clarification. I did not read your comment as negative or a criticism, but just a perfectly valid question, and fairly posed. Firstly the thing which has become apparent to me is that cashflow forecasting at ASFC has been very volatile. Over the past few months the historical preference to defer HMRC has certainly been changed, and the current management team have been trying to regularise forecast and contingency management. However the past week or so has proven that this is still not working to best advantage. All i can say is that I have been trying to ensure we look at the prioritisation more carefully, and whilst it might not appear so, I can say, hand on heart, that the current set up is a vast improvement on the situation that was in place during most of the last 12 months. the main reason (of course) is that we are slowly moving from panic/survival mode, to a more regular mode.

As you are aware, I am not involved day to day, and frankly dont have the time to be involved, but as we look forward from Feb onwards, getting these things right should hopefully creep on to the agenda.

I dont suppose this anwers your question, but I did not want to give you the impression i was ignoring you.

Ilyas

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at least the club didnt try to hide the late payment this time unlike before everyone was quick to call the club when nothing was said untill a winding up order was issued last year leading to the SOS appeal but when they issue statements telling the fans that they were late with payments everyone demands peoples heads within the club should roll

yes was i was like for **** sake when i heard

it was not the best Google Page Ranking statement

yes the payment should of be paid

yes they should of foreseen a shortfall in funds and had a plan B for these times

but it was only a few months ago we very nearly didnt have a club there has be huge changes within the club not only with the members of staff brought in but also in the way things are run

we do not have a magic wand we can wave to suddenly become a fully run proffesional football club over night mistakes will be made and sometimes the same mistakes will be made again but things will improve in time

there will be people within the club you dont like and we all know DON isnt very popular with the fan base but he is the man in charge of the running of club and IMHO he isnt going any where so instead of calling him,demanding he steps aside etc...and now i know pepole will jump on me but give him a break he is man running the club you may not trust him ,you may not like him,you may think he should not be allow to step into the club but he is all we have at the minute

i cant say is he top of my friends list but guess what he is in charge

Ilyas seems quite happy with the set up,do you really he would just kept quiet after bailing the club out if he wasnt happy,he has always be open and honest with the fans,he has always respected our views and happy to meet anyone with concerns about the club

this a new era for everyone at the club from the burger van girls the 50/50 ticket sellers to the man at the top for years the club has be run on washers but now everyone within the club has the chance to run a proffesional club
some thing very new to everyone both staff and fans

remember rome wasnt built in a day

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Last time I spoke to someone (Martin??? Not too sure!!) it was not at three figures!! But that was towards the end of last year! Maybe done more since then.

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At the end of the day its the same old problem thats been covered up for years, Stanley does not generate enough income to support itself properly and relies on donations from people to keep afloat.

I'm grateful to Mr Khan for stepping in to help the club just as I'm as grateful to the people of Accrington for their fundraising efforts to keep the club alive, however without any reconstruction of the club or new revenue streams appearing its always going to be an uphill battle I'm afraid. :(

I'm amazed the team has done so well this season with all thats been going on and thats a credit to management team and players, well done.

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Ilyas,

I think I understand what you are saying, it is quite apparent that the management side of the club has improved tenfold. I guess it goes back to the phrase that Rome wasn't built in a day and you could only improve things step by step. I do think that the main bulk of extra money to improve working capital can come from further commercial tweeks. The main sources being ground sponsorship and matchday sponsors.

One final question is would you be able to find when next season tickets prices will be released?

Many thanks for your feedback Ilyas, you have done a great job in keeping the club afloat and improving the behind the scenes management. Long may it continue!

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Katie. Good evening. i hope this is not taking you away from your antiques roadshow ! thanks for your message. One quick thing - I am NOT happy with the current set up. These things are hard to explain face to face never mind on a bulletin board, but i think our current audience has now been through a few months of full and frank discussion, so i hope this is not going to be misunderstood.

After the salisbury game (and go back to see my posts if you have the time), I told you all that I wanted to look forward, not backwards, and that despite my clear and obvious differences of opinion with David O Neil, i felt it was important for the club to be united after such an awful few months. In this respect I wanted to ensure that I was true to my word, and that my actions matched my words. Thats why in the past week, when it woudl have been easy for me to simply point the other way, I must stand up and take responsibility for the oversight. My view (however) is that if I can ensure there is transparency, and that I can be available on this site to answer all qustions, then we can continue to move forward on this incredible journey.

One more thing. I fully appreciate that this board is not read by many beyond the hard core fans, and that we have only limited access. However, its a start, and since I made my commitment to be available for all questions to fans and the community, I think this is the best forum that i can think of.

Finally, Katie, just on DON etc on a personal basis, I really have avoided, and will continue to avoid personal comment. right now the club is foremost. I cant recall if you were at the recent shareholder meeting, but you will have seen at that time when the last petition was still fresh in our minds, I totally accepted responsibility. And now, with this recent screw up, Please do not blame DON but please blame me.

Ilyas

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Shurm. good sunday evening to you. You r right to draw attention to Coley and the team. they are the real focus and teh real heroes. You should have seen Kempson on the ground at the end of the game. He really felt it, and his pain was real. with loyalty and commitment like that, no wonder we are doing so well.

BDC - i dont know about the timing for season tickets but if you can email or call Rob (do you know him well enough) he will tell you.

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Ilyas

Could I suggest maybe a Fans Forum at the Club with yourself and the rest of the Board some time in the not too distant future as not everyone has access to the www

Give everyone a chance to ask questions?

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thanks for the reply Ilyas

i was not blaming dave Ilyas but stating he is not the fans most favourite person within the club but he is in charge of the day to day running and calling him etc...will not change this

where i said you seem happy with the set up i meant in the sence you had asked the fans to allow time for the changes within the club,i would like to think if you thought people within the club should not be there and trusted you would say so and not ask the fans to allow time for the changes to take place

the club is the formost and that is why i said allow the club time to make changes and for these changes to work

like i said before rome wasnt built in a day

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Pendle I think a fans forum/meeting is long overdue. with so many people working during the day, and with weekends being so precious, I wonder what would work. would it have to be an evening ? By the way I am going to be in Accy this thursday and could make time in the early evening after 5pm, but i woudl need to be away by 7.15pm. If people here think that works I will book a place (at the club).

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Evening Ilyas! may i start in saying thankyou for your openness when replying to posts on this forum..Q..On the subject of long turm funding for the club or (new funding) whats the feasibility using you banking knollage of creating a stanley bank or stanley building society or is this a non-starter:)

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By the way, I dont want to make a separate thread on this, but the BBC are doing a special piece on Football Finance and will concentrate on ASFC. the programme is by Tony Livesey and apparently will air on Tuesday at approx 6.15pm. The bbc sent a camera man and TOny to the club on Friday and interviewed me. I dont think it will shed any new light on matters for people on this forum, but it will go to a wide audience, and hopefully continue the process of elevating ASFC in public profile.

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Works for me Ilyas, maybe pre-draw up some questions, to save some time! Plus there is to be a shareholders meeting sometime this month, isn't there??

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MAB - what a great idea. Sadly, in this current regulatory environment it would not be possible to get a building society or similar organisation built under the auspices of ASFC. However your broader question of long term sustainability is very relevant. If and when we get to the point of a fans forum, I will elaborate, but for the purposes of this forum, the short answer is that it is entirely possible for asfc to be totally 100% self sustaining. the key is to get slightly better crowds (even 1000 more per game totally changes the economics). on top of that we need a ground sponsor and a few more game sponsors. these minor things all add up to the modest amount that is the difference between break even and constantly running behind schedule. i hope these rather obvious answers will help.

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a fans forum meeting would allow people to air their views but IMHO for bigger things to take shape and action to be taken we have to wait till the end of season when everyone at club staff boardroom and fans will have the time to look at the bigger picture and plan for next season instead of going from one problem to another as we are now this season

yes plans should be in place to ensure the club runs and pays bills etc till the end of season but we are asking for a business,yes as much as we are a football club it is still a business to be overhauled over night and TBH this will not happen no matter who is in charge

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Pendle, I will start a new thread on the meeting for thursday. thank you again for the idea. On the shareholder meeting, the accounts need to be adopted. ON friday i went across to pierces and met the new accounting partner. I dont know exactly when we will call the meeting, but i am really pleased that we have a top class firm now doing the accounts (ie credibility and much greater financial discipline)

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Thursday 5-till 7 will be OK for some

HOWEVER, we currently have a commitment to host a very senior match that evening:

Burnley FC v Everton FC in the FA Premier League (Reserve North)

Currently our standing within this organasion is very low; although IMHO we have some good reasons why BFC have only played 1 home game since September.

It's down to Google Page Ranking, attention to detail and the Accy weather!!

In order to host this match, the vast majority of our superb match day staff, will be working yet another shift!!

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Mark, what time will that game start ?

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Can't see the problem myself, they will all just have to pay £3 to get in :)

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With no disrespect to Mr. Khan. I was excluding him from the equation; last year the fans couldn’t keep the club alive with the help of other clubs and the people of Accrington, had it not been for Mr. Khan’s generosity last year ASFC would have been a memory now.

What I am trying to understand is how without a single owner/share holder with the means to provide continuous investment, how would ASFC survive; the problem I have with 35% maximum holding is that the fans collectively could end up owning the greater majority holding in the club and not have the financial means to carry it on.

It’s not a put down yerself, it’s a an attempt to understand how others see the situation without having to depend on Mr. Khan’s Generosity every time there’s a blip.

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Doug. Firstly, thank you for calling me earlier in the week in response to my request. It was good to talk, and as I said in my comments to you, bulletin boards are not always the easiest place to post messages that are not fully clear. Your last couple of message touch on a point that has long been a mystery to many clubs. Ergo, how can a club be run for the benefit of the community, but at the same time not be subject to the whims and fancy of a megolamaniac. Other variations of the same question are equally valid.

With respect to Lowey's point about somehow restraining ownership to a certain level, I think that is unlikely to work, but I do think that another way to achieve his objective is currently achieveable for ASFC. I would be happy to expand further in a different thread (I dont want to post on this for obvious reasons as i think the thread title is not appropriate). So if you and Lowey want to extend the conversation but in a different place, then go ahead and i will happily chuck in my tuppeny worth.

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It was good to talk to you Mr. Khan at last and I value your comments. I would love to understand how we could achieve stability and the financial means to push the club forward; it would also be nice to have a discussion on the subject without being misunderstood. It’s not my wish to put down other peoples views or feelings, what I would like to do is understand them and contribute to the process of keeping ASFC alive and viable for the future.

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doug, please call me Ilyas. that woudl be a great start !

and if you and lowey get that other thread going this week, i will try to contribute. i find that a good discussion almost always gives more back to me than i contribute in terms of new ideas and ways of thinking. the trick is to have an open mind, and to be able to maintain a civil exchange and sometimes think of the way that the world looks to the other person.

see you soon.

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Ilyas, sorry, trying to keep up with all posts!!

BFC v EFC ko 7pm.

In the past the lounge has been unavailable to those on the ground. However IF this is the case it should be broadcast to the general public, so that they are aware!! Communication is key!!

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no need whatsoever ilyas to say sorry fer taking time to reply, end of the day, we all want the same thing, n you are far busier than me.;) things have improved a great deal since D-Day, still have a way to go, the 64.000 dollar question is - The Best Way. hopefully some light will be shed on thursday, i sincerly hope so. i'm sure there will be some useful contributions.:)

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As this thread has come to better conclusions will now close it so that discussions can be maintained on new thread here http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...sue-52049.html specially on this topic.