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Now the January window's open will Coley be doing any business?

I suppose we have a big squad in terms of personnel although three of them are loan players to us in terms of Craney, Jacobson & Long (who I think is at the maximum three month mark?)

Should we & do we need to strengthen?

If so what positions and what players should we be looking at?

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think we need 2 players in two out and out forwards. mulligan from york and joe o neil from guiseley fc

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We need to slim the squad down, as we are forking out too much for players that do not figure - where is Bateson????

We require some fire power!!!!

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We could do with another striker with a bit of height. But having said that I suppose its a bit of balancing act. What we do have is strikers that are quick over the ground, which is what you want. But a striker who has pace and also good in the air would be ideal.

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Was sat with Parkinson yesterday watching the game from the stand. Neither looking particarly happy with the situation either. I expect all the loanees to go back. The club just can't afford to pay for them with not having a home match for the best part of 6 weeks.

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Tally's with what Coley was saying in the Observer;

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:) Andy Bishop if available :) i know i'm dreaming;)

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Why not Mab;)

Dosn't seem to figure too much for the Shakers these days?

Has a great pedigree at this level and sometimes a change of scenery can sometimes kick start player's careers:)

I would think budgets will be tight as above and in all honesty my thoughts are they have got to better than we already have but....

Coley has a decent record of uncovering gems and sometimes you have to take a punt to find them.

I think one thing most of us do agree on is we are lightweight in the Striking department and there are players/kids out there who would jump at the chance of having a go at taking a step up to Football League football.

I have mentioned a few times the young lad at Burnley Alex MacDonald everytime I have seen him play for the Clarets Reserves he always impresses me, there are probably many others it's just finding them and moulding them.

Then you just never know where we can go.....

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We can't afford the players we have on loan at the moment!
How can we afford new (and better) loan players ?
:(

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End of thread then I guess...:confused:

Or maybe we sign players who Clubs will pay their wages to give them first team experience or does football not work like that?

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Whilst not defending the current regime at the club,we have to assume that they will back Coley and Jimmy in the transfer window.

we probably couldn`t afford the loan players we have now either, but they`re due back at their parent clubs so it`s either use what we already have or use the loan market a little more.we`ll have trust in Coley. we certainly need a good strike partner for Gornell. He`s playing well but needs some help up there.we`ll have to struggle through and be positive like a lot of other clubs in this league.

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I wish Coley would give Boulding a decent run alongside Gornell. He's scored lots of goals and could be the answer to our big problem. It won't worry me one little bit if Craney and Jacobsen have to go back to their clubs, but Long is a another matter entirely.:(

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Boulding is not the answer, i thinks your getting mixed up with his brother, rory has scored one league goal.

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No I'm not getting mixed up. Rory has been a prolific scorer in his previous club's reserves but has not had the chance to show what he can do at first team level. It's time for him to get the chance that Symes took with both hands. Similar scenario - he was rubbished on here as being no good before he actually made the breakthrough.:D

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Not quite sure 100% but I think maximum loan period is three months on a month by month basis, which may rule Kevin Long out unless there is still an option to turn it into a season long deal?

What I remember of Craig first time round on loan was he worked well off a target man, as a lone striker I am not sure.

As DD has mentioned Rory's record is as said one goal

Terry is obviously the main striker at the moment and as proved once again at the Globe he is always willing to chase the ball down and links in well with the midfield, the problem with a lone furrow up front is you don't always get the credit & goals that your play deserves.

I may be wrong on this but looking at the Top seven in League Two would suggest that they all play with two up front?

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Correct Pendle.

The only way to keep Long now would be to have him till the end of the season??? Cant really see Burnley wanting or needing a loan fee for him, so surely its worth the call to the Turf???

As for Jacobsen and Craney, thought they had decent games at Morecambe but as Coley says we just havent got the money to keep them??? As no doubt Oldham and Fleetwood are charging us a fee.

I agree firepower is needed, but would also like to see Boulding and Lindfield given more chances up top, but with our formation it aint gonna happen.

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Not so sure there is actually a loan fee, I think the loaning club usually pay the wages of the players concerned unless it's waived ( which I guess is the case in Long's case ).

93 days is the maximum loan period for the emergency loan window. I think becuase January is an open window then you can take a loan out to the end of the season. Not sure about Long staying, I think it's highly likely he is not required back but of course Burnley have no manager to make the decision he isn't wanted. Could be a new manager thinks he has actually got a chance of making the first team squad.

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long here untill cheltenham game .

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My concern is what have they offered that Parkinson, Bateson and particularly Putteril couldn't? I just don't think they are an improvement on the above mentioned STANLEY players.

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Spot on Larry , Jacobsen and Craney are no better than the players we have so not worth breaking the bank for. Give Putterrill and Bateson a run.

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Not sure Larry, ive never been Craney's biggest fan but he has had a decent impact in the 2 games ive seen him.

Jacobsen I think will go back to Oldham, he obviously hasnt played alot of football.

Bateson appears to have dropped off the face of the earth ?

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we should send 2 out 2 the job centre and sell 1. after game today

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According to the Fishy Site looks like we are after extending the loan deals for Jacobson & Craney.

I think Joe gives a balance to the back four with being naturally left footed and again first team appearances will only add to his stability & the clubs at the back.

Craney is adding something as per first half against Chesterfield but it's a tough call for me between him & Rayzor for that spot.

I have been impressed with Putterill especially to come back from such a career threatening injury and has looked good and added a little balance again with being naturally left sided whilst bossing a few games along the way.

If nothing else it gives as fans something to talk & debate about:)

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I'd agree on the theory behind that, and hoped the same would happen when we signed him, but I don't think it's worked in practice. I've only seen two performances of Joe's, but in the first against Port Vale he was absent and in the second against Chesterfield, he had a very poor game. I've no doubt that his mistakes and anonymity have been due to a lack in match practice rather than a lack of quality, but we aren't in a position to donate starting spots in order to help players through tough patches in their careers.

I'd like to see the squad trimmed throughout January, with loan players sent back to their parent clubs and squad players either utilised or released.

Long - sent back, replaced by Owens.
Craney - sent back, replaced by Putterill.
Jacobson - sent back, replaced by Bateson (with Winnard resuming his left-back position).
Turner - loaned out for match practice.

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What good is it him being left footed when he keeps using it to boot the ball to the opposition, and to send free kicks lobbed to their goalie?? I could do that with my left foot.:D Doesn't seem to use it to close the winger down either IMHO.

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Hear, bloody hear, Shaker!

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Fair point's as Shaker has said maybe we are not in a position to let people get up to speed & match fitness, but in saying that to help justify my point by sticking with Long after a shaky start to life at the Crown Ground we are now reaping the benefits;)

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I'd agree; Kevin Long's performances have much improved since his first appearance and he has given much to the team in the way of defensive stability. However he is prone to moments of madness and this has cost the team both goals and points. Even in his more stable performances of recent times (and please correct me if I'm wrong), his shoddy marking granted Morecambe their equaliser and his poor decision making gifted Chesterfield their first goal. Now that Andy Owens is fit, I'd much rather see him fill the role of the tall centre half alongside Edwards.

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Andy Owens again is a bit untried with only fleeting cameo roles so far, so again could be viewed as a gamble and unsettling?

I think the defence as a whole this season have all endured their own personal nightmares at times.

But still think the key is stability.

I agree in principal with your earlier point that the squad as a whole needs to be utilised more even it is only as subs to change the shape of games whether going more attack or defensive minded depending on the game situation.

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Redraine and shakermaker have got it spot on, at this level fullbacks defend first, cover the cb,s ,and get out wide to stop crosses coming in, get the ball and play it simple to the ball players,most people want the fullbacks to be overlapping and attacking, this is a bonus but not a necessity,

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Regarding Owens, I have been hoping for a while He gets a chance , but after talking to a mate who saw him play not long back and suggested He was more a sweeper,than a long type cb , maybe that's why he's had 2 wait his turn with Phil being so consistent

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That I understand but when you have a five man midfield you don't need your full backs setting off on mazey runs if you want flying wing backs then surely you go with five at the back?

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true pendle red, but acci play a flat back 4, so the fullbacks jobs are as my previous post,most teams play this, only morecambe played wing backs , as I recall

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Bateson must have fallen out with the main man, Mr C, can't see any other reason for his disappearance.

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Me too,can't understand Owens not at least being on the bench,as how many games do we come under the cosh late on and need aerial reinforcement!!

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ASFC News Story > 3773

One of Coleys' boys is staying!!!!

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But not another


Accrington have extended defender Joe Jacobson's loan deal until 29 January, with a view to extending his stay for the remainder of the season. The 24-year-old, who joined Stanley from Oldham, has made four appearances since arriving at the Crown Ground.
But manager John Coleman has missed out on signing midfielder Ian Craney.
The Liverpool-born player, who has had three previous spells with Accrington, has made three appearances since rejoining the club on loan.

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Jason Price has gone back to Carlisle after his loan spell at Bradford. He's a big, awkward customer with a bit of pace who gave our defenders a hard time in the air and on the floor at their place recently. Just what we need if Coley is ignoring Rory. Assuming, that is, he ever wants to play 2 big uns up front?

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may have a point there redraine, like last year,when the weather kicks in and pitches become heavy, they went more direct and fought for the second ball,Although i think Gornell is adapting his game to suit with jimmy,razor and charlie picking up the second ball

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Some interesting offerings on team formations and players to fit the roles. I like a true left footer at left back. Jacobson has a great left foot and also liooks quite compose most of the time. I do agree that so far some of his passing has at times been alittle wayward but I think he needs a run of games to improve and to allow his confidence to grow. I don't think he has played all that reularly since he was last on loan with us. He is the sort of player, (so far a "nearly player"), that Coley and Jimmy can take under their wing and turn into a really good player. I hope he gets a decent run with us.
Ian Craney seems to play his best for Stanley and again I am sure this is down to the way Coley and Jimmy have a knack of building players up. He(Craney) really hasn't produced the goods with any other team since leaving us the first time. Of course money is an issue as to wether he can return full time, on loan or for a season loan. If you were to ask him who he really wants to play for I am sure he would say Stanley/Coley and Jimmy!!!
I like the 442 system but with two true wingers, (remeber Hoskins/ Grimmy..Prendergast/Payne and Calcutt to name a few), who attack the opposing full backs on their outside, thus getting to the goal line and creating chances in the penalty box by pulling the ball back, which takes the opposing keeper out of play and allows midfielders like Craney,Procter and Ryan to power into the box running onto a ball coming towards them rather than running away from them.

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some fair points choirboy,agree about the fullback debate,but a lot of coaches are shying away from the 4 4 2 system,basically because playing against a 4 5 1 you get over-run in the centre of midfield ( acci have over run/passed to death a few teams this season).
Even the top teams , Barca ,real madrid etc.. defend as a 4 5 1 but switch to a 4 3 3 when going forward.
Thought Acci was a bit negative at the start of the season when they played 2 holding midfielders ( didnt conceed many tho),but now we seem to play a more attack minded 4 1 4 1,with the attacking mids interchaining and proving hard to pick up.
The key to this being successful is the centre forward showing and holding the ball up.
Its no coincedence that when Gornell plays well,Acci do !!!!!
If you see Accis shots/chances per game its obvious they have the players to adapt to this style,one match this season someone is going to be on the end of an hiding (6,7 or even 8 )

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They are hoping to keep Kevin Long for the rest of the season

Accrington Stanley target Burnley defender for full campaign (From Lancashire Telegraph)