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Saturday 23rd Jul 2011


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Well a decent day by the seaside believe it or not, apart from more idiot behaviour from so-called stanley supporters, I really am sick to death of some of their antics.

On the positive side, Coid scored a great goal and looked a class apart when he played the second half.

Overson & Lynch also had good games at the back, as did the keeper who made some great saves.

However we are still MASSIVELY short up front :( , Lindfield yet again looked poor, his body language wasnt good either. Im just hoping another 90 minutes against Marine & Stockport may give him much needed fitness.

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what sort of antics if you don't mind me asking

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and more to the point who are these idiots and lets get them out

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Smoke bomb.......... its not who I would call the "original" fans but more of certain individuals who have turned up in the last year or so.

Mark my words if any of them step out of line again I am personally going to have a word, I really have had enough of it. I have NO problem, with singing, shouting, flags, displays etc etc, but the smoke bomb issue along with a few others is a step too far. They seem to be policing themselves, maybe as Jason is absent for obvious reasons, but in my opinion it needs to be stopped.

I was also talking to a plain clothes police officer today, who called there behaviour "Appaling", he also added ..... "If there not careful those lads will all be getting football bans"

Good riddance I say.

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smudgie we have to rid ourselves of these numpties they just bring our good name into disrepute.....name and shame....

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Sorry to hear of a smoke bomb incident Smudgie I hope it did,nt spoil your day out too much, when are these idiots gonna learn all things like this do is damage the club they supposedly love ??????. Somebody really needs to get a grip of this and I don,t think IMHO that it is totally the responsibility of the other fans on the terrace,s. We are lucky at the crown that Mick Schultz do,es turn a blind eye in some respects to the goings on particularly on the clayton end and that encourages people to climb aboard the stanley bus as the atmosphere can be electric, but we seem to have attracted a faction that believe anything go,es and they are above the law, this has the adverse effect and I have spoken personally to people who will not come because of these clowns, why should a few mindless louts spoil it for the rest of us as it,s we that are left that are going to suffer RANT OVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Top day out on the field, shame some/one fan let US ALL down.

Yes, an off duty policeman, got involved, hence the on duty police being called.

Yet another place where our FANtastic fans will be remembered for all the wrong reasons:mad:

Just to remind everybody, information is shared throughout the UK, so flags at away grounds MAY be now banned!!:(

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We need to put a stop to it and NOW.!

Like I said ive no problem with singing, banners, flags, chants etc, but its gone too far.

I can see many a coach trip being cancelled this season as people wont put up with the behaviour on the journey's, is that what they want???? Absolute moron's.

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agree smudge, most of em have a good day wi singing, waving banners,a few beers ect, but the few that go too far need sorting pronto.

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cashy can i agree with you and hate myself at the same time;) we have to rid ourselves of these feral morons asap. we have a fantastic reputation as fans and we don't need these scumbags to tarnish this. lets face it there aren't many of us and we need to pull collectively together not apart with these %$%%%%$.don't need saying really but jase would'nt have let it happen!

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I find myself agreeing with 99% of your post nige b, however don't kid yourself that jase could stop it! Smoke bombs and moronic behaviour from a FEW so called fans still happened on his watch and was defended lol.

That said, however, the terrace is not the same without him.

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agree with you fella it's just that these morons seem to have multiplied in numbers since the toon debacle and personally don't know where they have come from but what i do know is THEY ARE NOT WELCOME and need rooting out for the good of our club

also agree home and away ain't the same without jase

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If they go on the coach surely they can be sorted, if they travel by car, get your camera out and let everyone know who these yobs are.

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They have come from Rovers, says alot really.

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well if yeh know who they are,do summat about it.

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:( Unfortunately as stanley evolve and become more n more a better alternative to local sides,we'l attract a small and unwelcome following whos hell bent on misbehaving at football matchs,we're not the only football club to suffer from mindless idiots:(

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As Cashy says, if you know who they are can't you get a couple of "Big Lads" to have a gentle word with them & point out to them the errors of their ways ? And that unless change happens consequences other than a talking to will follow, used to work quite well for us. :)

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Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwn

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if you know them then have a word ... told the spugster about this thread .. and he was saying if theres smoke bombs going off and idiots mucking about then im not right sure i want to go to the matches when im down .. and he was looking forward to it .... and timed his visit accordingly to get the first home match of the season ....

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Really thought provoking & a valuable contribution to the subject, man aren't you a class act ?

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valuable contribution


I'm a big lad, Ultras be warned, following my gentle words I'll will be kicking the sh*t out of you all.

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Oh dear & an aggressive one too it seems.

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Dave, what are your personal thoughts about what you saw at Barrow on Saturday?
Relating to what you saw at Barrow, what are your personal thoughts on what you see at all the home fixtures and away fixtures?

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Not exactly a considered and adult reply.

Granted, Dave in Germanys reply was rather old school, but it was ended with a smiley, therefore written tounge in cheek I should imagine.

I am, by virtue of your reply, assuming that you don't feel the same as the majority of posters on this thread, in so much that anti social behaviour on the terrace is neither warranted nor wanted?

Pity really, as our fans have a superb reputation built up over a long period of time......it will take these idiots nowhere near as long to ruin what Jase and the original Ultras worked so hard to achieve. But hey, there only having a bit of a laugh so what's the harm?

Time for a few numpties to grow up or ship out imho.

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Can't help you there I'm afraid, I can only get to matches when I get across, but when I do attend I see a lot of enthusiastic supporters singing & shouting & thoroughly enjoying themselves with no animosity.

That said though, at the Wycombe game last season I saw some young idiots, winding up away supports as they were leaving the ground thereby turning an incident free event into a chance for further escalation & probably dragging the good reputation of the Stanley fans through all kinds of ikky stuff, simply because of a few imbeciles.

Once a club gains a reputation for trouble it is near on impossible to change that perception from other football fans home & abroad. I'll give you an example Liverpool vs Juventus Heysel 85, things happened English Clubs got banned, travelling round Europe taking in some games as soon as you mentioned being English (and from Liverpool) dark looks & a total change in attitudes. That is why any inkling of trouble needs stamping down hard irrespective of whose responsible or their popularity.

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Old school ? I'm practically Victorian in my outlooks. :)

(still, as with most things there's a grain of truth as the core)

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Questions asked:

What are your personal thoughts about what you saw at Barrow on Saturday?

Relating to what you saw at Barrow, what are your personal thoughts on what you see at all the home fixtures and away fixtures?

Answers given:

None, and can't help you there I'm afraid

It's quite clear you wasn't there are on Saturday and very rarely attend home or away.

How can you be in a position to comment?...... You can't.
Obviously you live in Germany so my questions were aimed to trip you up.

A minor incident occurred that was dealt with by the stewards and the Police......... End of discussion. A smoke bomb being released at barrow is hardly compareable to what happened at Heysel in 1985.

Let me assure you Dave, this represents a high percentage of all Stanley matches.........My personal thoughts on the number of stanley matches I attend each year including pre season friendlies.......A high percentage.

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Right lets hope the above satisfies & answers your queries. :)

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I was there at Barrow and the smoke bomb ended up blowing in my direction as I was stood close to the people who set it off. I want to watch football games without people causing me and fellow supporters grief, actions like this will only make things worse for all supporters in terms of reputation and treatment by relevant authorities on future away games. Similar incidents to this have happened in the past, most notably at Stevenage in the play-offs and at Cheltenham in May 2010.

Why do we have to have this minority ruining it for the vast majority of supporters who dont cause hassle? I would imagine the lad that was escorted off the game will end up with a ban, after all the problems with the Newcastle game I would have hoped that this group of supporters would have thought a bit more about their actions especially with what happened to Jason. However, this doesn't seem to have made a blind bit of difference as actions have shown. It's high time these people grew up and stopped acting like a bunch of idiots.

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question is, who did them at stevenage? someone ended up burning a hole in the back of my brand new stanley shirt!

also, it wasnt nice not being able to breath underneath the flag whilst about 4 smoke bombs went off around me. one of my friends ended up in the back of the ambulance!

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gribbster WE DO NOT NEED THESE UNEDUCATED FOOLS THEY ARE SCUM AND SHOULD NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH OUR FANTASTIC CLUB.......rant over

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Just to let you know the group was in full support of doing the red smoke at Barrow! Were not hooligans but an ultra group who are there to support our team in noise and also in colour ! At Barrow our display was flags and the red smoke ! No one was injured, hurt or even effected by the smoke as it was an open terrace with hardly anyone in it !

I suggest you all make your own groups , travel around the country and support your team before all the bad comments ! The Stanley would be dead without us lot as I can't see many of you creating a group and doing anything ! Also the guy who got a caution followed his team last season to every home and away game ! I'm sure you all do that !? But now he's a thug for letting off a bit of smoke in an opened terrace ! I hope you all slag off the 100 or so people passing on cancer who were smoking in the ground and also the stewards who were also !

The conclusion is we will keep doing what we doing with supporting our team in the different ways and if you don't like it then that's your problem and not the groups !

Were not thugs or criminals , just Stanley Ultras.

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It is a criminal offence to take an offensive weapon into a football ground. Smoke bombs are classed as offessive weapons. So what does that make you?

You carry on as you are doing. We are getting a bad name now and it will only get worse. You may think it is clever to break the law in the name of Accrington Stanley but I don't.

If you break the law you are a criminal, so stop giviing us all that rubbish about being "fans not criminals"

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well said jeff,total ar*e holes keep the faith

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It's also a criminal offense to smoke in a football ground and also in a public place ! So are the 50 odd other Stanley fans criminals then jeff?!

We've never had a bad name and most compliments we get are about the ultras !

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ok yeh will carry on doing what yer doing setting smoke bombs off? if so please explain the implications to the club yeh profess to love if yeh do so? this is one explanation i'm dying to hear.:rolleyes:

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You make it sound as if we do it every game , we don't , just the odd occasions ! The crap little ones that have been done on a tuesday/friday night are from the little Blackburn ****s that you can't do anything about !

It was a friendly yesterday , hardly no -one in a terrace ! Not forgetting the terrace is open so all the smoke went straight into the air ! It's not the worst crime ever commuted is it ! However the people that were smoking inside thr ground and even the stewards are not criminals are they not ?

I'm sure your all nice , prefect Christians in here! So I can understand your anger if you've never sinned against the law ! I hope you don't go over the speed limit today on the road as you will be criminals like us !

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Smoking at Barrow is only banned in the stands. Everyone that wants to smoke in the away end is allowed to. This was pointed out by the chap on the tannoy.

You Ultras do a great job, but NOT when clearly breaking the law. Simples!

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Maybe not at Barrow, but how about Stevenage .....

..... or the chap at Cheltenham who wound up in an ambulance after two smokes there flashed the stewards up and resulted in a ruck ....

..... or Jase getting banned after the Newcastle game, again following a ruck following a flare, which spoilt arguably the greatest night ever at the Crown ..... and I acknowledge the great atmosphere then as always was down to the Ultras. Yes you are fantastic supporters - but (some of) you just don't always know where to draw the line, and for me that takes a bit of the shine off it.

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when yeh grow up, yeh should probably change the slogan to "Morons Not Criminals" yeh aint answered the question about "Implications to the Club" or are big words beyond yeh?:rolleyes: all yeh done is change the issue to smoking, pathetic.

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No!!!! It was announced over the tannoy that smoking is allowed on all the open parts of the ground and only banned in the stand and under the covered terrace.

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This is my last post on my thread as there is no point in it ! Why talk about Stevenage or Cheltenham ? This is a thread about Barrow ? also smoking is banned in a public place ?

We know it's illegal and so are lots of things in life but we only do the smoke to create a scene of colour and atmosphere ! Not to cause people problems ! The terrace was open and there seemed to be no risk so we planned to do it ! Right or wrong as it is, it's what we do !

We will keep doing displays and supporting the club ! By different means, flags etc etc !
+ it was a small smoke not a flare , we have never done a flare ! Massive difference!

Sorry to the people who don't like it but it's what we do best and will keep doing it !

Adios .

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But you are obviously causing people problems. You will be caught on camera one of these times and then it really will be adios. Was it you who set off the smoke or were you just an innocent bystander who watched whilst somebody else did the dirty work and got arreated ?

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its not about if people like it or not, its what implications are there to the club? a question you seem to refuse to answer, or yeh aint got the intellect.:rolleyes:

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the boy is obviously of a certain mentality that is just not capable of seeing beyond his excitable need to rack up what he and his mates see as ultra support. The fact that some of their repertoire could have consequences for our club and offends life long thick 'n thin Stanleyintheblood supporters is no concern of theirs. The ultra's have been an asset to Stanley in the past but this element destroys the good intention. If the lad is representative of current Ultra thinking, then they seem to think that they are bigger than the club and majority of supporters. Unless they wake up and smell the coffee then Stanley must act to avoid league sanctions and conventional fans walking away.

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I'm not saying any names or any more info on the matter.

The conclusion is that the person involved got sorted by the police and it's all be done and sorted ! If people want to do what happened then it's their risk ! But like i said, it got sorted by the police and that's the end of it ! Is there any point of the thread as there's no talk about the team as we played well the second half by the way !

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FC your missing mine and a few others point.

NOBODY is saying ban everything ultra related altogther, the atmosphere they and u create is absolutely fantastic, by far the best in this and any other league, the Newcastle game in particular will live long in my memory.

HOWEVER there is a difference between songs, shouting, flags, banners, drummers etc etc (which we ALL love)............. and Smoke bombs, insulting stewards + police, blatantly aggravating opposition fans ( as seen at Macclesfield away) , which is what I have seen creep into the ultra's following the team in the last few months. Wouldent you agree??

As well as this I know for a fact its only 3-4 individuals out of everybody that goes that are being idiots, and in my opinion its these fools that need telling.

Yes before you ask, I attend almost every game home and away and have done for 18 seasons!!!

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Yes I do agree , but there the young ones who go Blackburn and Stanley! You can't do anything about it ! But the person who got nicked is a true follower but it's been dealt with on that front !! The bit regarding Agro to police etc I know what you mean !

I know you do and you probably know I do! I think this thread is being taken miles out of context as it wouldn't of happened on the terrace and only happened because of the open terrace and the fact no-one was there and it's s friendly ! It got sorted !

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So hows the team shaping up people that was there?? due to a holiday coming up ive not been able to make it to games :(. I see it as im saving my voice for season :rolleyes:

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That bit about blatantly aggravating the opposition has always and always will be part of the game, the only difference with it involvin stanley is that the age of group of us ultras is of similar age, majority being 16-24, myself included, alcohol can fuel alot of the tension most of the time.

I wasnt at barrow personally but i dont think the smokes a big deal, it looks good and everything else, and if anyone wants to set it off, 90% percent of the time that person will get caught and suffer the consequences anyway.

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As do I mate.

Everyone's got the same interest at heart: The name and reputation of Accrington Stanley Football Club. The Ultras want to give the best possible displays to support the team, which is admirable. Those who have voiced their views on this thread are worried that the club will get a bad rep through continuous rule-breaking, which is fair enough I suppose.

It's not really my place to comment as I couldn't be there on Saturday but I think both camps need to 'calm down, calm down' a bit here (calling people 'scum' or questioning others' commitment to the club won't do any good). Pre-season is supposed to be where the blood pressure gets a rest guys ;):)

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Can I just add my two'penneth. Firstly to FC Stanley - it is NOT illegal to smoke in a public place unless it is covered and has two enclosed sides. Barrow is not a football league club, whereas ASC are, hence the reason smoking is not allowed anywhere within the confines (metal fence) of the football ground. Secondly there is something that can be done about the Accy/Blackburn kids - talk to them (as Jase would have done) if they step out of line, get rid of them as they are a stain on the club and the town.

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Have the Blackburn supporters involved "done the smoke to create a scene of colour and atmosphere" at Ewood Park? If not, why not?

You might not do it "to cause people problems" but that is the result. Do you know anything about the effects of smoke inhalation? If not, I suggest you find out.

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yeh jase, was a molehill got you banned?:rolleyes:

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was moaning on here that got money in the buckets in accy town center:rolleyes:

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yeh n many of those yeh call moaners contributed.:rolleyes:

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I pressume they didn't contribute by being sat on here why not one of the people with a problem actualy say something instead of hoping one of bigger ultras will have a word? It'll save hours on here just getting each other mad. You all no whose probably best to talk to calling people names isnt going to make people listen.

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yeh presume correctly n i personally have no knowledge of who the morons setting off smoke bombs are, but those who do know me, know i sure as hell would say summat if i did,n it don't get me mad, just sick of sheer stupidity. which at the end could cost the club.

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I have to own up to an over exuberant post and getting carried away with the occasion a bit regarding Stevenage. I often look at things I've done and think what a pillock I've been. That hindsight stuff is a marvelous thing. Anyhow, I can see the angle where by it seems quite impressive to have the smoke billowing around the away support particularly in today's sterile atmosphere but when I think back more lucidly where I was at Stevenage there were two old dolls who were quite distressed by the smoke and had to move out to by the snack bar area as the smoke was choking them. Being a half cut pillock I just thought of it as a consequence but if it were your mother, grandma etc am sure you would not be best pleased. I weren't at Barrow but smoke has a habit of going places were you don't want it to go (as the Last Tommy would attest to). I quite like the idea of smoke and flares enhancing the occasion but am not so sure I am keen on the idea of my granny being gassed. No problem with creating an atmosphere and I would have been all for the smoke but a lot of people around have respiratory problems these days (asthma sufferers etc) and it ain't fun for them to have their lungs streesed out unnecessarily.

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I bet the marine thread does not contain any smoke related issues ;)

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‪Darlington v Newcastle United - Crowd Trouble And Violence (Friday 15th July 2011)‬‏ - YouTube

What about these lot especially as Geordie fans often quoted as being the best in the premier league :/ oh hum.....