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We were CRAP. No excuses whatsoever, we were just plain crap, good luck to Leigh in the next round. :mad:

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I'll second that, and what makes it worse was leigh got cambridge city (from confernce south) in the 1st round.

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we WERE crap? we ARE crap, at the rate were going at were looking at not only relegation but serious financial struggle, t'club have budgeted for gates of 2000 per game, and they're dropping, lutel shouldn't have to be waiting behind a load of scoucers to get a game, we didn't look like scoring at all, if anyone looked like scoring it was leigh, they're awful, but better than us. colemans track record over the last season has been awful, between christmas and may we only won eight league games, whenm was the last time we had a good performance this season, when is eric going to pluck it up and sack him?

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Dont understand some people on here, knowthescore your a complete idiot. Go and support Burnley and whinge with them. You don't have a clue do you?

Absolutely gutted today, big shame, poor performance but things can only get better. LDV Tuesday night come on you blues. At least we have a chance of winning that!

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Smiffy, on today's performance, we have NO chance against Oldham. If we can't beat Leigh then we are in serious danger of doing what Halifax did last season and ony just beating relegation. Although, they did manage the semis of the LDV

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It was poor today yes, but we had 90% of the possesion but we just didnt create enogh chances and always looked to pass when we should have had a pop on goal.

Don't know why but we always seem to under-estimate the lower league sides and they always come up to play us and have no fear, battle and win the games, but its a different story for the 'bigger games' we play both league and cup.

I have every faith in the lads going out on Tuesday and beating Oldham, BUT we need to be more consistent.

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90% vision, where you stood behind a wall and couldn't see round the corner !?. Stanley didn't see 90% of anything today. Think that Coleman has took the squad as far as he can, we need new blood, and i dont mean players.!!

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Think you must have been.

The better team lost today but as I say we never created enough chances and the chances we had we didnt put away.

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If you dont create chances you lose, its simple, we didnt and we did.

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better team lost, where you watching the same game. Even on sky sports tonight, the presenter said summat like ' how did the famous stanley get to bournmouth last year playing like that'. Coleman plays every player out of position, and seems to hope for the best. A few more games without a result, and how many more will be calling for his head!!.

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Go back to sleep

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Bloody hell fellas....so you guys lost! To call for the managers head is bloody ridiculous.

Three seasons ago my lot were within 2 points of relegation. But our board stood by its belief that JH WAS the man . Coley for all his faults is commited to your cause. Support him.

This is a time for Eric to be strong and accept that results don't always go the way they should.

Good luck Coley! It would be a disgrace if you were to go.

From someone who will long remember all those goals in the 'ONLY' Red shirt.

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Exactly never thought I'd agree with a Morecambe fan but he's right.....

Well all apart from the 'ONLY' red shirt line

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Apart from Robbie today please inform me of who he played out of position???

Where you watching the same game?? :rolleyes:

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I can understand some of the reactions on here as it was very disappointing today, not only in terms of the result, but in terms of our performance too. We were never really in the game and we created very little. We haven't scored now in 3 games and if we were still playing now, we wouldn't have scored today. With a dodgy defence and no creativity up front, you're always going to struggle and that's a fact!

Both goals today were soft goals and against poor teams like Leigh, we shouldn't be conceding like that. It's an indication of just how low we've sunk, when a team we have comfortably beaten 4 times in the last 2 seasons can come to the IES and make us look second best. I bet Leigh were laughing all the way back home, as they couldn't believe how easily they'd beaten us.

One of the main things that worry me is the team's apparent lack of fitness. To say we're now a full-time team, some players looked a long way off the fitness they showed last season. All too often our players were second best and I find that very puzzling.

Calling for Coleman's head seems senseless to me, as he has a 3 year contract and I can't see him going anywhere in the short-term. One thing is sure, though, if we don't start to improve very soon, it's going to be a very hard, long, cold winter. :(

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i'm not saying that coleman should go now, but fans [ of every club ] are very fickle, lose a few games, and sack the manager. I for one have followed the Stanley for the past 14 yrs [ as eric will tell you ], where were the fans then ? half of them jumped on the bandwagon, when things started looking up. So anybody that tells me that i dont know what i'm talking about, WATCH OUT.

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I have just witnessed the worst performance in the last twelve months. The chants for Lutel must come from the brain deads, he hasn't had a good game since before Christmas 2003!! Coleman is good at moaning to the officials, he would be better having a go at the shambles of a side he has created.

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Leigh looked full of energy, they broke and looked dangerous, particularly in the second half. I thought their centre halfs were excellent, and the left back Roscoe would be a good buy, he looked solid and full of energy, something we need!

Robbie Williams was slated by both cook and flynn during the game. His confidence must be shattered but he was playing out of position.

You might find this funny, but has anybody watched "one flew over the cuckoos nest" ? If you have, there is a section of the film where actor Jack Nicholson is teaching the "nuts" to play Basketball and basically, it wasnt working. Paul Cook shouting at everyone today and telling them what to do, and complaining reminded me of that scene!!!:)

As we all know Rory is injured but we need width from somewhere, and Cooky running down the wing just isnt the answer! Bring nack Grimmy!

I hope Mr Coleman can get everyone motivated for Tuesday night and sort that left back position out (the 1st goal came from mis communication between cook and williams!)

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Sorry to come on again fellas, but the comment about lack of fitness doesn't suprise me. Some time ago, I was passing yout training ground and saw your guys running around at break neck speed. Nothing wrong with that I hear you say?

Maybe not....BUT ON THE AFTERNOON OF A NIGHT GAME?

Could it be a case of being 'over trained' ? It does happen. The body needs time to rest.

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Anyone who wants to keep the faith, blind or otherwise, good luck to you. It is now time for the chairman to think the previously unthinkable. The current management, in my opinion,have taken us as far as they can. We need a manager with a lot of Conference experience to take us on. One who won't play 4-5-1 against the likes of the mighty Leigh and rids the club of Cook, Flitcroft and, above all, Williams who aren't fit to play Unibond 1st division football!

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I agree that it is perhaps time for a change in the management team as what expereince has coleman and bell got in management at this level, 12 months at stanley in the conferencance and also it could have gone stale and also a few of the squad have come through with stanley from the unibond. With regards changing the managment i know i few people who have been watching stanley for quite a few years would agree with me.

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I am not going to critisise the players neither am i going to heap prais on them i believe that it will turn around!!! our luck has benn awfull so far this season but that will change I now firmly believe that the 4-5-1 formation is not right. but that is what coleman thinks is best for the club and he is doing his best to help the club why would he suddenly turn against the club

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What a load of crap

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Well, that was an abismal performance by Stanley. No way we had 90% possession. Leigh said in the Observer that they had nothing to fear and they were right. Two soft goals......never. They were well taken and one was a penalty, so it could`nt be soft. Fair play to the bloke with the bandaged head, I winced every time he made a header, but he had passion and committment for a win. Only Jonathan Smith looked anything like a player with a bit of fire.
With most of the players returning from the previous season, the problem seems to lie with
A The manager and his tactics
B Cooky and his training
Can`t wait to read Cav`s coloumn in next weeks Observer to see how all the lads are dissapointed with the result.

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How about getting behind the team and stop bloody slagging them off...

I'm sure some of you on here don't support this club, I heard some idiots in the crowd yesterdat calling for Coley's head and that is a load of RUBBISH, like some of you on here are doing the same.

If you dont think that Coley and Jimmy can take us any further then keep it to yourselves because its not appreciated by real supporters who have every faith in the management team and believe they can take us all the way.

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Been behind the team since 1977,seen some real rubbish defeats and still turn up every week. Hav`nt asked for anyones head, but this is a forum for peoples opinions however much yuo disagree with them. Maybe the last two years success has heightened expectations too much, but really and truthfully yesterday I thought we were bloody rubbish.
Oh and as I was leaving I overheard some young lads chatting. They had been to the last couple of matches, not seen a win and wer`nt going to bother coming again.....that potential fans and revenue lost and difficult to entice back. They`ll probably go off to watch Rovers!!!

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Sorry Mick wasn't on about you...

I was refering to other above postings

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Fair enough mate... have a big manly hug!!

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The system we are playing is just not working. We haven't scored for three games and don't look like scoring again on yesterday's performance. I think the influence Paul Cook has is having a negative effect. Crainey was through on goal yesterday but Cooky was screaming for the ball, Crainey thought better of shooting and passed it to Cook who messed it up. In pre-season friendlies and at the start of the season Crainey was shooting on sight, a real breath of fresh air, now he doesn't. Why ? Is it the change of style ? I think it is time to bring in new faces and face up to the truth that half the team are not good enough to play at this level. Some of you seem to think that "it will be alright" IT WON'T. Time for you all to get realistic and see what is happening. WE ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Where are the goals going to come from. Did we have a shot on target yesterday ? The performance was a disgrace. The players should be ashamed of themselves. No cup run this year. No live television. No cup income, and probably NO ROOF. Stop kidding yourselves and defending the performances.

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now now denise john isnt that bad, a few results going against him give him at least to the end of the season and then make your decision

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However you look at it Mick, the two goals yesterday were soft goals. One was a virtually free header, while the other was a defensive shambles leading to the penalty. Any team worth their salt should be able to deal with a long punt down the middle, afterall, the opposition seem to deal with our mindless punts week in/week out.

I'm not calling for the management's heads, but they must accept some of the blame for our present predicament. For example, when we got rid of Calcutt and Rory hobbled off in the pre-season game against Burnley, was there any effort made to sign another wide player? Seems very short sighted if there wasn't, afterall we have no width at all at the moment!!!

I don't think I had unrealistic expectations at the beginning of the season. I don't suppose anyone remembers the thread we had going during the Summer where people predicted this season's finishing position. If I remember correctly I was the only one who predicted a middle of the table position, which is a long way from being unrealistic. And yet I feel very disappointed with the way things have transpired over the course of 2004, with only 12 victories from 43 proper competitive games. If there were signs of things improving then fair enough, but if anything we seem to be going backwards.

Like Mick, I've been watching Stanley for a long time (this is my 27th season) and during that time I've seen some rubbish, as well as the truly excellent. However, after years of seeing us going forward it pains me to see us come so far, only to see us stagnate and decline at such an important stage.

Perhaps it's time for individuals to be realistic and hold their hands up? I know it's not going to be popular with the 'rose-tinted spectacles brigade', but perhaps it's time for changes to be made, before the slope becomes too slippery for recovery?

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Firstly, there are a few posters who only seem to come on this website when things go WRONG (Denise????) i tend to stay off this website after a defeat just because of the "SACK COLEY" posts.

Coley is a legend & needs more than 18 months in the conference for us to get it right. Remember, teams in the confernce have been full time for ages & have had several attempts. We have no divine right to go up just because we all want it to happen.

That said....

Yesterday was DISGUSTING for all concerned. No width, no fight, no passion, no commitment (Mully & Smiffy apart) The was a different speed for 5 mins after they scored but why? Why, don't we storm out at they away team. Why doen't anybody apart from Craney run past Mullers, Why no pace from anybody, why 1 striker against Leigh RMI, why Rocky can't past to a team mate anymore, why Cookie on left wing? Why can we play 20 passes & get nowhere. Coley's not at fault directly because he's currently got a better squad than last year but there are too many centre midfielders (Jaggers, Cook, Brennan, Craney, Williams?) & not enough strikers & full backs.

Positives from yesterday Haworth, Smithy & Mullin - also things may change....

BUT everybody talk about the football not just post sly digs at the management team, a post that reads "Coley is crap, sack him brings nothing to the table.

Coley is the only reason we are here now, & one league is the same as another. He knows what it takes to win the Unibond 1 & Premier then he also will learn what is needed to win the conference.... I'll start John by saying a left back & a sriker to play alongside Mullers. Roscoe from Leigh RMI will do for a start.....

Keeping the faith, Just!

ulltras

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We were poor against Leigh, and we have been leaking points badly recently, but sacking John Coleman? :eek: I thinks that's ridiculous.
We need to get behind him and the boys and encourage them and give them all the support we can.
Come on, lets all enjoy and celebrate after the Oldham game on Tuesday. :D

Dave :)

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Although very dissappointed with the result yesterday, I felt sorry for the lads - Coley & Jimmy were shouting different instructions from the dugout & Paul Cook was shouting his own set of instructions on the pitch - no wonder they were all at sea, they didn't know which one to listen to!! Also, talking to one or two of them after the game they were just as gutted, if not more so, than the fans. Personally I think things will improve but Coley may have to have the grace to climb down from his 'this 4.5.1. formation will work' theory & admit he may be wrong sometimes.
How Paul Cook got man of the match yesterday, I don't know - in my mind it could only have gone to either Smithy or Paul Howarth.

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That was awfull!!!

Cooky got man of the match!!! obvioulsy who ever deiceded that wasnt watching the game!!

I Think that Paul Mullin should have a word to the manager about this 4-5-1 because it isnt working for him or stanley. Cooky should not be starting games because for a start he didnt start many last season and hes got worse this.

Also i think we should get a sign made Saying

4-4-2 another one for the ultras to think about...

But saying all that i am still 100% behind coley and jimmy for now anyway!!!!

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yeah i totally agree with jase we had a brilliant start and we start losing a couple of games and people look at the management and say SACK COLEY well no

i was talking to shaun tuck after the game and he were saying that if we lose it is all his fault

coley puts in no less than 110%

CMON LETS KICK START AGAINST OLDHAM AND GET BEHIND THE TEAM NOT ASK FOR THERE HEADS TO BE CHOPPED

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Yeah totally agree with jase and baldy i just wish more real fans would come on here and show the players and managment what we really feal about them!!!

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A word to Mr `Smiffy 16`. I , and I am sure others, will not be keeping our views to ourselves as you wish us to do. The encouragement of discussion is a prime aim of this forum as stated by the moderator. As my criticism was neither silly or stupid it was totally legitimate. My advice to you is to go and goose-step elsewhere! Your statement regarding this in your posting was belligerent and well out of order. I am surprised the moderator hasn't had a word with you already regarding the matter.

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High Horse > Off it.

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made my mind up now steve, [ you know what i think ]

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The great thing about the forum is every has an opinion. Thats what makes people intersting. You dont have to agree.......here is mine!

I, like many of you, have been watching Stanley, home and away, for a very long time. I, like many of you, shout and scream and the management trio when im not happy with things. I, unlike some of you, still believe John Coleman and Jimmy Bell are the best men for the job of leading Accrington Stanley.

Having said that,it was bad yesterday. The sponsors who pick the man of the match must have over done the free ale! Paul Cook ran around a lot chasing lost causes but he didn't do anything more. Im not sure if anyone else noticed but when Coley took Proctor off yesterday Cookey seemed to be asking why he wasn't being replaced. In a squad that seems to be jam packed with midfielders, Cookey should not be playing. (IMO)
We need 4 across the middle and 2 up top.
With Lutel's iminent departure (good luck pal) we need to go out and get a 30 goal a season man. Not just another striker, but a real goal scorer. One to play off the legend that is Paul Mullin!
We could do with some decent width too. Jaggers and Ian Craney are not wingers but are played out of position all the time. Lets get Paul Carvill back from Chorley (he was in the bar yesterday) and give him a run.
Finally, remember when Rocky used to play in midfield, he was much more effective than he is as a full back.

Remember.......its only my opinion!:rolleyes:

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On a more positive note.....when we return to winning ways the lads confidence will come back and the Interlink will become a more intimidating place to play. I`ve lost count of the number of times on rivals message boards away fans were expecting a tougher match than they got,so last seasons hard earned reputation still precedes us. Lets hope we soon get it back.

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I agree about Carvill, he looked pretty damn good pre-season and I would welcome him playing on the left giving Evil a chance up-front with Mullin.

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Edited as to not look like a fool (Thanks Jase ;))

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I'll run the risk of criticism, but...........on a fundamental note, is the issue not "Too many Cooks" no pun intended!

Who is running the show, Coleman, Bell or Cooke?

(IMO) Perhaps we have to trim back to a management team of two!

Thoughts?

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Really? :rolleyes: ....


Why don't you go away, just because I don't agree with your idiotic post earlier doesn't mean I have to be quiet and not share my view on how good/bad the post was.

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Smiffy - Why do you always have to be so argumentative ? If you keep telling people to go away just because they say something that you do not like there will soon be nobody left on this forum and you will have to argue with yourself and tell yourself to go away. Why attack people just because you don't like what they say. All people have their own opinions. Why can't you just say something constructive. I don't think you would like it if people told you to go away just because they disagree with you - and you do come out with some ridiculous comments. It's about time you were warned about your postings.

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Quote from Redskin - I don't think that there is another team in the Conference with a Manager, Assistant Manager, and a Coach. I think that Cook is having an influence on the team tactics. Maybe it is time to trim the backroom staff and possibly have a captain on the pitch who opens his mouth occasionally. I never hear Cav organising on the pitch, I don't think Mully said a word on Saturday, all we heard was Cook.

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Wasn't I told to go away thats why I replied with that post

Do I have to agree with everything said on here?

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Shirley, Williams(Gary!),Payne, Prendergast,Calcutt - when we played proper wingers we were great.
If we can't get players getting to the by-line Mully has no chance, whatever formation you call it.

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i can't understand who made you the moderator smiffy and who made you the judge of wether a post is good or bad, how can a post be bad, if people wan't to express their opinions, and if that includes critisising coleman then they shouldn't be able to do so without them being told were to go by you, just because we support stanley doesn't mean we have to worship coleman, we'll leave that down to whoever wants to and will say nothing to them about it.

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i agree with redrain we are running short of wingers and missing rory, we have nobody on the right, also one up front??? maybe against oldham in ldv vans or bournemouth in FA Cup but not against Leigh R.M.I in the cup, leigh rmi?? we should be turning teams like that over not getting beat i think its about time we got rid of three or four players and signed some quality robbie williams isnt good enough, his lunge was easily a sending off on saturday, howarth is bobbins, jagielka isn't the best, and McEvilly seems to be nothing more than a big lump, spitting at a player infront of everybody? he should have been given his marching orders, the team lacks in real skill and quality, its been a long time since we've had players as good as shirley and grimshaw, if they were here in their prime they'd turn the current side over. what we need is depth.

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FAO `Smiffy 16` : You've dug a hole and made yourself a laughing stock. When you have something meaningful and logical to say I for one will listen. I shan't be replying to any other posts you might subsequently make as I have better things to do so fire away!

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well done.....

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So your saying you have something logical to say when everytime you come on here your slagging the team off and calling for the management to be sacked?

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unfortunately some people have good opinions and share good opinions and some have bad ones. but everyone has their own opinion about everythin so i say we let them who hate john coleman have their say because we know they r wrong anyway.

JOHNNY COLEMAN FOR EVER

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Good points knowthescore for once nut when did these insidents happen because i have never seen them even through my red tinted glasses???? Can anybody else recall them???

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Redskin in reply to your point on too many cook's.... I too have for a while wondered how the Coleman, Bell, Cook..... would work??? 1 Manager, 1 coach, 1 player coach..
When cooky was shouting the odd's on the pitch on saturday, I felt he was stopping players relaxing. He should train them during the week and then leave them to it.. I do not think Crainey needs too much shouting at( let natural talent flare )
He was shouting at players (grown men) like they where kid's.. I for one, and most adults I know do not respond well to that...

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Your point is well made, Redskin (my own expression would have been "Too many chiefs and not enough Indians" . . .but I'm no Redskin). Also, Simon , you reinforce this idea with some well-observed comments.

Why does Cav wear a black armband ? Why do we hear three other Merseyside voices shouting at anyone and everyone incessantly throughout the game? Is it conceivable that these non-stop "instructions" serve any purpose ?

Two and a half years ago I voted for Peter Cavanagh as Player of the Season, describing him as "Coley's eyes and ears on the pitch" . He was then ; he doesn't seem to be now.

Sometimes a football club needs a gentle, friendly, avuncular manager to get things settled. Sometimes the opposite is true.

Newcastle United recently parted with a "benign" type of manager and replaced him with an aggressive mouthy type. I don't imagine for one moment that Sir Bobby could have adopted Souness's management style to bring the unruly Magpies into line, but it's just as far-fetched to imagine that Souness would be any good with a bunch of sensitive and inexperienced youngsters.
Good management doesn't mean constantly hectoring your players, nor does it mean putting them in a strait-jacket so that their natural talents are never allowed to flourish.

Patience, the desire to see long-term rather than short-term success, an understanding that there is very little to be gained by criticising your players when encouragement would be the better option, a willingness to accept that you might be at least partly to blame for any difficulties . Just the sort of people-skills, in fact, which one might expect from . . . a teacher, say.

Now there's an idea !;)

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Refering to both of your points.

Why??????????????????:rolleyes:

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