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You could fill the stadium, everyone shouting and cheering but as the manager isnt upto it, it wont make much difference.
Support the club, support the team, but dont support blind naivety.

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you'd be better of stopping away then, if your not 110% behind every aspect of the club:(

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Does anybody know who this gadgy is

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Yes.
Why cant some of you admit, the style of football has been dire since Cook left

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I've no idea who he ( or possibly SHE ?) is either. However from his rather forthright posts I feel certain that he is not a 'gadgy' ( a north-eastern expression for a gypsy..or worse still their expression for 'a grumpy old gentleman who chases children' !)...
Or perhaps you choose to use the term as a shortened version of 'Gadget-whore'?..now there's a term to conjure with !!...roughly translated as :-

'A person who has an abundance of gadgets many of which create more of an inconvenience than convenience. This person will usually pay an exorbitant amount for a gadget/service to replace the burden of thinking about simple chores or using common sense.'.....not very likely in DAV's case I'll be bound !.
Or perhaps you might, without insulting DAV,feel able to enlighten us all with a definition of your own construction which might intellectually satisfy our readers ?.
Can I in passing remind you of the advice which you proffered to mein another thread ...
' always using the yard stick if you can't say anything nice about a person better to keep your gob shut '.
Of course this doesn't mean that I agree with his blinkered opinions or that I don't join with Revived Red in his challenge made to 007 !.... The Reds are between a rock and a hard place and no mistake !!.... but a destruction of the status quo at this juncture would in MY opinion do little but harm the chances of Accrington Stanley remaining as a Football League Team..... A change in fortune and the run of the ball will !... ...I hope !!.

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You do make me laugh Mr Yonmon
:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Town win and untied then he be happy

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You still cannot answer the question put to you. And no-one on this site is saying the football is not dire or the circumstances are not dire, but rather than be negative about the team and management, try being positive towards them. The feel good factor from the TRUE supporters will help the club regardless of where the club ends up at the end of this season.:D

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clearly Ozzy you dont understand what the word 'yes' means.

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ozzy outback - will you be there on saturday wearing a blindfold alongside the others with their heads in the sand?

Its very important the forum gets to know.
According to revived red and jaysay, going on Saturday determines if you have a valid argument.

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I'll be there on saturday in my usual seat next to the home dug out!! And shaking Leams hand pryer to him signing the teamsheet for GtG:) My self im a 100% behind Leam and the team.I'm proud to support my team through thick and thin .on stanley on.

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Davo,you never answered my previous question on why you think Leams not upto it and what would you have done differently?If its purely down to results,then cookys first 19 games yielded 3 wins,was he also not upto it?.
I suspect now you have an hidden agenda ,resulting in the changing of the management team,and for the comment regarding the players not behind leam,that's bu--s--t,and whoever s told you that is telling porkies.

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No agenda other than Stanley staying in the league,
as I have said numerous times, Leam is a nice bloke but is the wrong person at the wrong time for the Stanley job.
The results prove this to be correct.

I base my opinion on facts, under Leam's leadership we are heading towards relegation.

Dont let facts get in the way of your agenda.

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I don't suppose you are Rafa Benitez by any chance, he quite likes FACTS as well.

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but once again, your choosing to let your emotion over rule the facts.

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Go on then Davo,obviously your not sharing with us why Leam is not upto it,and in your opinion,we would be up the league,if we had appointed another manager?.Thought one of cookys last games was a 5-1 thumping at Oxford,was that Leams fault.
Look at other teams squads ,Wimbledon,bottom of league,have midson and Luke Moore up front !!.
The league is by far stronger this year ,ask John and jimmy,that's why there out of work.
It's easy to blame the manager( English mentally),but you still haven't given us how the team can improve?, , besides changing the manager !!

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Been away a lot but been to sum game tunisa if u want in box me if you think im in bad ways . But i daid to leam v rochscum cup win or web will be on u . Ring me text but 1st in box me Xxx

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It appears you want this thread closing as well;)

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Yes you are entitled to your opinion DAV007 and so are the rest of us but you never answer a question, what makes you think 2 certain out of work individuals are the answer to stanleys problems? and I will ask you again who has told you that the players and Leam have issues?
I,m not expecting an answer to my second question because basically ya don,t have one as it,s all second guessing on your part and posted to get a reaction.
Yes I will be there on Saturday getting behind the team from my usual spot on the Clayton end and I will be there the next home game and the one after that and IF the dreaded drop happens I will still be there. STANLEY TILL I DIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Much as I would love to be there on Saturday, unfortunately my duties mean I have to work.

BTW (that means by the way) I do know the meaning of 'yes' however, if you read the thread, it does not make clear what you were saying yes too.:confused:

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What utter rot, going on Saturday is all about showing your support for the team when they so badly need it, constantly calling for the manager to get sacked with no plan "B" in position, is akin to suicide.

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I think if fans don't like the manager, that is a matter for each person. I am of the opinion that booing will not help though and I think if people don't like Leam as manager why not keep quiet and just leave the team to try and produce the results we require.

Booing is counter productive as it will just lead to the team playing with even less confidence and results will more than likely get worse. The reality is the board have decided that Leam is the man to be in charge and that is not likely to change. That's why I will not be booing the team this Saturday, that doesn't detract from the fact that they have been poor though and I think the team owe us a performance or two to help galvanise the supporters.

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Personally, I think Leam should make every player read the threads on this message board to see the majority of people still want the team to win and support them and the management. Hopefully, they will go out on every Saturday or Tuesday or whichever day they are playing between now and the end of the season and prove certain individuals wrong. As Macca said in another thread, lets get out there and show our support for everyone concerned with Accrington Stanley.

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Leam is on radio lancashire right now ... if you want to listen to it ...

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All quiet on this thread today has a certain person read the back page of the Observer today !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Leam, Leam Richardson na na na

KEEP THE FAITH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BELEIVE !!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh and by the way the lads and Leam were well up for it up at the store first stadium this morning:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Nah! He is in London asking folk what Accrington is famous for as well as the football club!

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Thought he,d me be fallen in one of Malcolm the mole,s hole,s :end::wave8:

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I know him and his opines are as valid as any other Stanley fans, many probably agree with him :)

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not many come on here though:rolleyes:

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Not when they are based on spurious claims such as knowing the opinions of all the players. Nor are his negative and overstated opines particularly helpful at a time when maximum support is needed for ALL at Accrington Stanley.

That may be true - I happen to think that it isn't. I suspect that many more will acknowledge the difficulties faced by the present manager, and furthermore acknowledge that the decline began under the previous manager.

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Hi guys,
Once again I said I was not referring to all the players.

Once again, this is not anti Leam.

Once again, blind loyalty and support wont change anything if the manager is not upto the job

Once again, I fully support the team and club, but 1 win in 16 is shocking and fans have a right to ask questions

Once again, I hope Leam proves me wrong but his track record says otherwise

Lets hope for 3 points on Saturday, we now run the risk of being cast adrift if we dont start picking up points

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What your really saying is you hope Stanley get beat to prove your point;)

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No, because the point has already been proven.
1 win in 16 games.

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Once again - How will Stanley fund this revolution?

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For those of us of a certain age, this and other threads are starting to sound very familiar
The Argument Sketch

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Once again,how would you change it and finance the changes?.:)

Once again,are you blaming Leam and not the players ?:)

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People who think this came from Paul Cook are seriously delerious!! Leam has now had plenty of time to grind out results with the team we have and has even added his own players!! My post is Anti LEAM as he's just not good enough and his tactics and management is taking the club down , simple as. The quicker he is gone from his position and replaced with an actual manager the better!

In a way I hope we loose on Saturday then the penny might drop for most of you and hopefully it will for the board ! In another way we really need the points or it's goodbye football league.

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FC:Stanley if Leam went today what happens next. If you are offering the solution it needs to be complete. The board would need to a) pay off leam b) find a replacement (quickly) c) fund a replacement.

A) how?
B) who?
C) how?

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It's sad that fans let personal vendettas cloud their judgement. Despite Coley being statistically the most successful manager this club will probably ever see, many disliked him and there were numerous threads on here calling for his head.

However because Leam is liked, because he is "a good lad" many deem him impervious to criticism. If Coley had lead us on a run like this most of you would be apoplectic with rage.

I said the following in the Exeter thread but I think it needs reiterating here:

"I think it's important to remember that we are not just suddenly turning on the team in a fickle display. True Stanley fans don't expect much in a league in which practically every opposition club dwarfs our budget, attendance etc.

However this isn't a five or six game losing streak. We understand the aforementioned problems our club faces and as such tolerate these more than other fans.

This is ONE win since the 20th November. That's ONE win in nearly three months.

Factor in that the manager has absolutely no attacking intent and it isn't rocket science where we are heading.

Also I don't buy this "they aren't Leams players" nonsense. Did he have no dialogue with Cook as his assistant then? Of the team last night Leam signed the following:

Rachubka ("gentleman's agreements" don't keep you in the league. Should have gone for Belford)

Hunt
Hughes
Wilson
Beattie

Aldred was on the bench.

Factor in that under Leam we have absolutely no attacking intent and I'm afraid we are Braintree bound and looking forward to FA Cup qualifiers next season barring a miracle.

I hope I am wrong and have to eat humble pie come the end of the season (is there horse meat in that too?). But at this moment in time.I feel like a deckchair attendant on the Titanic."

I don't post on here very often. Its taken me seven years to reach the 1000 post mark. I prefer to observe and only make a point when I feel I have something worth saying. Henceforth, this current situation worry me and I feel compelled to air my views regardless of how hard certain posters try and shout down anybody with an opinion.

I always thought we would be squeezed out of the league eventually and that our football league adventure would be one for the grand kids. But to see us sink without any semblance of grit, spirit and determination is demoralising to say the least.

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Everyone is entitled to there opinion,but what frustrates me more than anything is its always the managers fault.
Over 40% of managers have been changed from the start of the season,are they all bad??.
In my opinion,a tradesman is only as good as his tools and a lot of managers struggle when they cant get the players they would like.
Simon Grayson has taken over at Huddersfield and lost there last two games conceeding ten goals,does that make him a bad manager or have the players struggled to take on board the way he sets his team up.
How can Cooky not shoulder some of the blame?,how many players did he come in for in January?,it answers itself.
Leam ran with these lads but soon realised we were way short on experience and has tried to respond to this.
Changing the manager, who will what his own players(coley at rochdale),will come at a cost,and the penny doesnt seem to have dropped for a lot of fans,WE DONT HAVE ANY !!
There are regular first teamers on less than most conference players,its a fact.
I for one dont want us to go down the road of living beyond our means,so survival and having the odd good season will do for me.
KTF

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Simon Grayson's the Preston North End manager.;)

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Alvin like you I post rarely. I totally understand your point of view, and I have deliberately refrained from giving my opinion of Leam's tenure on this forum.

The point I am trying to make is that regardless if your opinion towards the current situation, if Leam is sacked then we will be left managerless and out of pocket. The board can't just say let's sack Leam and to he'll with the consequences.

I am not blindly sleepwalking into relegation but I have yet to see a well reasoned and workable alternative be proposed.

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There is no guarantee any change of manager would avoid relegation. If a new manager came in and still went down Leam would get the blame.

To compare Leam to Coley is totally unfair. Remember the budget Coley had, borrowed money. Leam has had to operate within much tighter budget controls, you can only bring players in according to the budget available. I'm suprised sometimes they can even afford proffesional players.

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Sorry Yerself you know I meant Robins !,Lancsdave seems to be the sensible one here,it's about money,simple !,
I would to know the difference of what Leam is paid to what John and jimmy were on,I suspect there is a massive difference.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - it's what football's all about - but I cannot believe that anyone would post on here that they hope we will lose tomorrow! Where the hell is the logic in that opinion? :confused:

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So because a manager earns less that entitles them to be inadequate? :rolleyes:

For example Southport have one of the smallest budgets in the Conference and are also part time, yet Liam Watson manages to make them compete adequately enough.

I'm sure Peter Marsden and co would rather take the hit of Leam's compensation then miss out on the riches of the Football League, TV money, Carling Cup and automatic FA Cup proper qualification.

Money or no money one win in sixteen is poor going. Aldershot have cast their dice by replacing their manager and it would seem we've cast ours on Leam. Let's hope this board are good gamblers.....:(

It's not so much the run that's the problem....It's the manner of the performances. I don't care what level we play at as long as I can be proud that the men in red representing my home town have put a shift in.

When you see an obese James Beattie trotting about supported by players who cannot be bothered to put a tackle in it's demoralising.

Let's get physical....let's roll our sleeves up and make teams remember why the Crown used to be such a culture shock. It took 44 years to get back to the promised land and this crop are letting it go far too easily.

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Let's face it. Stanley have been living beyond their means for years. Coley was bank-rolled for much of his tenure and it all caught up with the club just a few years ago.

We now have to live within our means and with very little support from the town, we have to find a level where we can continue to exist. We've had 7 years[ish] where the growth of support has been virtually non-existent and income levels suffered accordingly. I don't think any of us can be surprised at our current predicament.

To blame one man seems very naive and silly.

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Time for this.....

The Great Escape(1963) - The Great Escape March - YouTube


Hopefully not this.......

A Bridge Too Far Theme - YouTube

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One again, if Leam was honest with himself; he would look at the results, accept he is the wrong man for the job and resign.
He needs to lose his pride and do the right thing for the club before he loses our football league status.

Once again, its better to lose a penny than a pound, sacking Leam is our best chance of avoiding relegation.
A small pay off (if neccessary) vs another year in the football league.
I know which one makes economic sense.

Coleman and Bell are out of work, you can offer them what we can afford, they can take it or leave it, its not as if they are in a position of strength being unemployed.
Plus im sure they would love the chance of keeping their beloved Stanley in the league, and I for one have full confidence they would do it.

The board also need to take some blame for appointing Leam, their man has failed, and they have sat on their hands blindly allowing the club to creep into relegation.
Poor leadership.
Well done to the Aldershot for at least twisting and trying to mix it up, Accringtons board are happy to stick despite having a hand they know is bust.

Yes, we all want 3 points tommorrow, but with Leam at the helm, it looks as unlikely as ever.

Its been one big failure, and people instead on this forum have blamed Cook, Coleman, referee's, opposition teams, players, fans for asking questions, etc instead of the men making the decisions.

Or is ignoring the facts the 'stanley way' as someone put it?

Leam and the board, please look in the mirror.
1 win in 16.
Its diabolical.

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Ilyas, fancy buying us a striker?

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Iylas, fancy buying us a manager?

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are you joe hinnigan in desguise dav007

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what do you think?

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Davo,I genuinely believe you want the best for the team,and the changing of the manager debate will rage on.
What I do disagree with you on is the determine and desire to do well by the players for Leam and the back room staff.
The sessions they put on are as good if not better than previous regimes,the tactics are fully endorsed by the players and the mood is good.
The players simply haven't delivered this season.
They know they are in a battle now,and are well up for it.
Once they cross the white line,Leams hands are tied to a certain extent,even coley in his last season spent most of the time with his arms folded!!
I will put my head on the block and say that this season the squad isn't as competitive as last year,but there are signs over the last few weeks they are gelling together.
That's why I have asked numerous times what Leam could have done differently ?,as I am just as frustrated as the next fan.
There are a lot of points to play for ,so for me it's on Stanley on !!

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Dav007 if it were a simple equation of penny vs pound and a new manager definitely equated to staying up then I'd be inclined to agree. But it's not that clear cut. We could lose the penny AND the pound. This club may not be able to afford to gamble in the way you suggest.

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don't think its a case of not being able to afford, plain and simple they can't

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I really can,t understand the arguement that Leam should be sacked and JC & JB be offered the role (1) they would still have the same squad to work with (2) they would still have the same financial constraints !!!!!!!!!!! plus Stanley,s/Leam,s problem to me is the lack of a striker to put the ball in the net.
At the end of the day we are all entitled to our own opinion and we could argue the toss all night long maybe saving our breath and getting behind the lads on Saturday would be a better use of energy, I know that some of the lads read this forum so what sort of message is it sending them ??????????
When it boils down to it with the SOS taxman issues and IK and PM stepping in at the 11th hour, JC and JB walking away and the less said about the snake the better Im just happy I have a team to support whatever league that may be in and if that means going to Hyde on a Tuesday night so be it.

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I could not agree more, supporting the team and manager on Saturday at 3pm should be the focus.
Come 5pm, and depending on the score and performance, the debate will continue over Leam's job suitability until we are safe from the non league.

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Absolutely nothing wrong with good friendly banter as long as we ALL pull together towards the same (and pardon the pun) GOAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Amen to the last 2 posts

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Been reading this thread, & others in a similar vein over last few days (weeks?)
Do any right minded fans really think a change of boss will affect our position at seasons end? No way!

Whether we like it or not, we have our current crop of players, whether they be defensive, midfield, or (lack of)attackers &they will all do their very best to ensure that Stanley stay in the league.... Not one of them wants a relegation on their CV.... Far better they fought for their team & avoided same.

''Keep the faith!''

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In a more serious vein than some of the more flippant posts appearing in this thread !!

No leaf was left unturned or expense spared as the Reds secretly prepare for their game against Cheltenham Town ! ...'We thoroughly enjoyed the new Ball handling techniques ' said one exhausted but obviously stimulated striker.....

http://cdm16198.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0

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Why is Leam wearing a skirt? :)

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Mike !..On the assumption that one of my more eccentric answers could very well land me in some sort of litigation....I am not going down that road !!...
But as my 'Song for the Stanley' is currently 'Always look on the bright side of life', that's what I intend to do !!....
What's more, if it bears fruit I don't really mind what little number LEAM slips into to spice up those long hours of training tedium !! :cool:

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From today's Telegraph

Stanley chairman: We have faith in boss Richardson (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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Great comments underneath, too! "Who are those guys?"

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I once asked a very successful manager,what was his secret,he replied,the ability to keep your nerve and composure when everyone around you are losing there heads!!!!,reading some of the previous posts,Leam deserves a knighthood,well done young man and all the fans who kept the faith