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Redraine 12-03-2013 07:51

Fleetwood thread
 
No takers yet so here goes, even though it didn't work for the Cobblers.
I really hope Leam goes for it with an attacking line-up including Jeffers on from the start, and doesn't adopt his usual "keep it tight for the first half" approach. It's time to go for it!

jaysay 12-03-2013 08:15

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Is there any chance of the game being off pitch wise

smobile 12-03-2013 08:16

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Maybe your magic only works for home games......

Agree with you that now is the time to be bold - we need to start collecting points in multiples of three. Dunbavin between the sticks (if he's fit) and Jeffers starting.

cashman 12-03-2013 08:54

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Nothing ventured,Nothing Gained, we gotta go fer the throat,its that simple,Jeffers n Beats together is a must fer me.

smudgie 12-03-2013 10:16

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Come on the reds !!!! What's the weather like up there???

Surely Bav's aint fit enough yet???
Play him if he is, if not...... my team.

..................Rachubka........................
Hunt.........Winnard..........Aldred........Wilson .
.............. Murphy...........Linganzi.
Boco.........Hatfield.........Molyneux.
.................Beattie (if fit) Jeffers if not.

Subs
Bavs
Gray
Joyce
Carver
Jeffers ??
Barnett
Lindfield

accybeme 12-03-2013 10:47

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 1046243)
No takers yet so here goes, even though it didn't work for the Cobblers.
I really hope Leam goes for it with an attacking line-up including Jeffers on from the start, and doesn't adopt his usual "keep it tight for the first half" approach. It's time to go for it!


(Keep it tight for the first half) probably good advice but I won’t be complaining if we are two up at half time.
I just took a look to see who has been putting the ball in the net for Fleetwood and found their defender Junior Brown put their last two goals away, on further investigation I was surprised to find he is their top scorer this season (9 goals) so beware of this defender

Div3North 12-03-2013 10:57

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1046276)
I just took a look to see who has been putting the ball in the net for Fleetwood and found their defender Junior Brown put their last two goals away, on further investigation I was surprised to find he is their top scorer this season (9 goals) ...

All spelled out for you in the opening post of the Prediction League thread .....................:D:D

And it has second and third highest scorer as well ............ :)

And total goals scored and conceded .......:rolleyes:

And their Cup runs ........... And their last 5 results (2 draws, 3 defeats, one goal scored, two points out of 15) ............ :o

football19 12-03-2013 11:37

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Bavs is not fit(Dawbs is out for a while),so i will bow to forum pressure and go;
Rachubka
hunt Dean Aldred Wison
Murphy
Bocco Linganzi Moly
Beatty Jeffers

Blitz them down the middle,with numbers and presence and packing central areas for second balls.
Shot on sight policy to be adopted !!!!

accybeme 12-03-2013 11:54

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Div3North (Post 1046277)
All spelled out for you in the opening post of the Prediction League thread .....................:D:D

And it has second and third highest scorer as well ............ :)

And total goals scored and conceded .......:rolleyes:

And their Cup runs ........... And their last 5 results (2 draws, 3 defeats, one goal scored, two points out of 15) ............ :o

Div3North;
As usual your pre match summary is full of the history and facts and anecdotes which I always read with interest but please be aware that my brain cells are now dying at an alarming rate and recalling information from a previous thread is not as easy as it once was

Div3North 12-03-2013 12:02

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1046287)
Div3North;
As usual your pre match summary is full of the history and facts and anecdotes which I always read with interest but please be aware that my brain cells are now dying at an alarming rate and recalling information from a previous thread is not as easy as it once was

:D

Been there ........... Played that ..........:o

cashman 12-03-2013 14:14

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Good video of the pitch on fishy, well done the club.:)

shakermaker 12-03-2013 15:41

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
I can't imagine Ian will be anywhere near match fit, unfortunately. Beattie will probably start alongside Jeffers. Joyce will almost certainly be back in the side while the likes of Boco, Gray, Lindfield and even Molyneux could be rotated if Leam is using his squad to battle tired legs.

I'll plump for:

Rachubka
Hunt Winnard Aldred Wilson
Joyce Murphy Linganzi
Hatfield
Beattie Jeffers

As f19 said, keep everything very central. Hunt and Wilson can be solid without wingers in front of them while Murphy and Joyce can cover these half-back areas. Hatfield deserves a start and will support the forward line while having the backing of Linganzi anchoring the midfield.

All that said, I wouldn't be surprised to see 4-4-2 again.

smudgie 12-03-2013 18:21

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Team...........


Chubka
Hunt
Winnard
Aldred
Liddle
Linganzi
Murphy
Wilson
Boco
Beattie
Jeffers


Subs
Joyce
Molyneux
Hatfield
Carver
Lindfield
Gray
Barnett

nige b 12-03-2013 18:32

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Anyone know if text is on tonight?

teach 12-03-2013 18:34

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
No live text tonight?

Tom D 12-03-2013 18:36

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
says the event is live on the link....dont think dan has written anything yet

Doug 12-03-2013 18:36

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
On Now, must have been the Hotties.:)

Doug 12-03-2013 18:43

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Coms on Radio Lancs 104 FM

nige b 12-03-2013 18:46

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
excuse my ignorance but where is the text link

Doug 12-03-2013 18:47

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Nice to see Bavs back on the park.

Doug 12-03-2013 18:48

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Fishy site, I used last weeks link.

nige b 12-03-2013 18:50

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
cheers Doug got it!

nige b 12-03-2013 18:52

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Torquay losing and down to 10 men already...aldershot winning

Doug 12-03-2013 19:12

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Sod it...... Come on Stanley.

smudgie 12-03-2013 19:14

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
0-1 oh dear :(

smudgie 12-03-2013 19:23

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Cooky is there in the directors box aparently.

Disgrace.

Kiwi John 12-03-2013 19:36

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Hi guys..threw a sicky to follow this,then my computer copped a virus and took me ages to work out how to get in to kids comp.

Kiwi John 12-03-2013 19:36

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 1046396)
Cooky is there in the directors box aparently.

Disgrace.

Chuck a pie at him.

smudgie 12-03-2013 20:14

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
0-2 bottom :(

smudgie 12-03-2013 20:15

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
0-3......................

Becoming embarrassing.

Coleman in?

Kiwi John 12-03-2013 20:18

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
No to Colman. He won't achieve didly squat.What players would respect someone who walked out on the club in the first place? No,Leam must stay.He is our best hope.

smudgie 12-03-2013 20:24

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
I cant agree Kiwi, just look at his record since took charge???

It is simply dreadful.

Doug 12-03-2013 20:29

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
There's little hope at the moment KJ. This team have got something about it, but its potential isn't being brought out and that can only be down to Leam. Unfortunately we have no option but to go down with the Leam and the team if that's what is going to happen.

Doug 12-03-2013 20:30

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
God I hope we pull this season off.

Kiwi John 12-03-2013 20:30

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Yes,I agree,BUT Colman would not command the dressing room because he left mid season. i sincerely doubt any other manager bought in would have success at this stage though it would be a better option than Colman.

Haggis316 12-03-2013 20:31

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Something has to change and quickly.

Kiwi John 12-03-2013 20:33

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug (Post 1046410)
God I hope we pull this season off.

Never a dull moment following Stanley.

Doug 12-03-2013 20:37

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
God the gap is getting wider.

MikeA 12-03-2013 20:40

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
At least Oxford have just gone 1-0 up on Barnet...

Alvin the chipmunk 12-03-2013 20:41

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
2 points from safety with an inferior goal difference....so essentially 3 points off. If we do not take at least four points from the Dons and Shots then it's goodnight and thanks for the memories Football League imo. :(

stetrovers 12-03-2013 20:45

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Torquay are in freefall, but you need another team to join 'em, if that happens you'll be ok.

cmonstanley 12-03-2013 20:50

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
i think its time 2 wins in 19 games :( he had his chance.if stanley go down i think it will be successive relegation after relegation this is why stanley need to try everything to stay up or there could be no stanley. sorry but its hard facts we have to look up to the conference is no mugs league now they have stronger teams just look at stockport now.its coleman and jimmy for the rest of the season for me.they owe us a favour;)

DAV007 12-03-2013 20:57

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 1046405)
No to Colman. He won't achieve didly squat.What players would respect someone who walked out on the club in the first place? No,Leam must stay.He is our best hope.

what has that got to do with anything?

your talking complete tosh.

Kiwi John 12-03-2013 21:03

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1046424)
what has that got to do with anything?

your talking complete tosh.

Smudgie suggested a Colman return in an earlier post (about the time we went 3-0 down).

Redraine 12-03-2013 21:05

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
I have no words tonight after witnessing that. Just a deep sadness.

ossy kid 12-03-2013 21:22

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Somebody give us {who can't be there**a report on the game. How can a team who "can't score" stick 3 up us? and nothing from us?

accybeme 12-03-2013 21:23

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Can’t blame the Ref for this defeat, we were never at the races,

cashman 12-03-2013 21:23

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Still it has brought the beanheads out.

mab 12-03-2013 21:24

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
:( Never ever left a football match before the final whisle,but to night i could'nt stay any longer :(

mab 12-03-2013 21:30

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossy kid (Post 1046429)
Somebody give us {who can't be there**a report on the game. How can a team who "can't score" stick 3 up us? and nothing from us?

Jon Parkin was the diffrence between the teams, class finishing simple!!!

Jeg Red 12-03-2013 21:47

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Just back after watching a truly awful display by us. The manager needs to take a good look at himself, the team and tactics tonight. This game was the first of 3 home games in a week that will define our season and go a long way to determine our future as a club. It was also a local derby and if all that isn't motivation enough for the players, there's enough material there for the manager to pick through and get the preparations right to be the team going out inspired, full of energy and eager to win.

We showed no fight, had no one who wanted to take responsibility, showed no heart and I didn't see anything to suggest the players were fired up and really wanted it tonight - the manager must bear some responsibility for a meek display. We need lions. Only Linganzi, Boco and Molyneux came away with any credit tonight.

If you're going to play Beattie and Jeffers, complement it with tactics that gives them some quality service.

Leam is not up to this job at this stage of his career as motivating the team for tonight should have been easy and they didn't look up for it at all. Very disappointed.

football19 12-03-2013 21:53

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
We're do I start !, we simply can't play 4-4-2,simple.We were rigid/no one taking responsibility,and played with two statues up front.
They had Parkin and Ball (little and large)and pulled us everywhere.good movement,power,strength and great finishing,can honestly say we're unplayable at times,but its the worst I have seen Dean play for years,no excuses,simply not good enough.
They were better than us all over the pitch,we were wary of the pitch,they played it brilliantly.
They could have easily just gone direct,but played thro midfield on numerous occasions.
Defensively,they were great,Atkinson was exceptional(and he's only just got back in the team!).
My biggest moan is why we pulled Liddle off,when he was our best defender,made no sense to me.
Positives,Bocco,Linganzi and Liddles performance,no one else for me turned up.

Crown Grounder 12-03-2013 22:06

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Tonight we saw two poor sides BUT, one had a good finisher. My Beattie has had his chance but he is just taking up space in the team. If he had anything about him he would walk. He's had enough games and opportun ities to show his worth. But he has nothing to offer. We looked better with the young subs on. Playing Jeffers, pushes Boco outside but he is more effective in the centre. We looked better with a combination of Grey, Boco and Linganzi in forward roles. Moly gives us something extra. Wilson is similar in style to Moly but he is not good enough to start. Back four just about OK. We missed any sort of link up play and distribution from the midfield. Murphy is getting better at breaking up play when we don't have the ball but his passes when he wins the ball are poor. Leam. well he's had his chance and has failed. He is taking Stanley down and I won't forgive him for that. Saw my last game of the season tonight. No More. I just can't watch any more.

I wish Stanley all the luck on Saturday.

The Red Darreners 12-03-2013 22:06

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 1046426)
I have no words tonight after witnessing that. Just a deep sadness.

Redraine We know exactly what you mean and are comforting each other with the remnants of the Baileys infused coffee we bring to keep us warm. But I have to refer to 'the love that dare not speak its name'.

What on earth were Jeffers or Beattie doing out there?

What have we become? 80s band Altered Images first single was the fantastic if forgotten non-hit 'Dead Pop Stars' featuring the unforgettable first line 'Dead Popstars rotting in the studio.....'(the second line is even more prescient but not relevant here-Im sure itll be on You Face or whatever its called.)I dont want the Crown Ground or whatever I'm meant to call it now to become 'the studio'....It also brings to mind Viz comic's Fulchester United's flirtations with lower league oblivion in 'Billy the Fish' and the necessity to add to the Red Fox/Johnny X partnership with 'glitz for the sake of glitz' signings of the calibre of Shakin'Stevens and Mick Hucknall out of Simply Red..............

How many times did Jeffers touch the ball? Who are those flick-ons from Beattie meant for? How many shots from outside the box? Why will nobody take responsibility on the pitch? Where is the hunger? The urgency? Why does it take twenty seconds for us to take a throw-in? Every match- not just tonight.? Why is there absolutely no resilience when we concede? I backed Leam's appointment to the hilt but I do not understand the use of people like Beattie and Jeffers. I feel so, so sorry for real triers like Boco who is professional in every match. Why are players of skill and guile like Molyneux used as 'impact players'? When will Lindfield, and Bavs people who give their all for the reds be back?

I cheerfully admit to knowing little about football. But I do feel qualified to make other observations.

The lack of desire was terrifying. I was sat near to the dugout. I am fascinated by non-verbal communication- its a good job watching Leam and Lodgey and Stephenson because there's precious little in the way of words, or expressed passion. Lodgey'll come on and bark something at Dean winnard. Leam will wave a finger in the air and repeatedly point. And the NVC on the pitch tells its own story.

This is what needs to change-whoever is responsible for it. That is what will send us down, not dodgy officials or towering centre halves.

Pay some money for a decent motivational psychologist. And get somerbody/anybody to face some home truths about our ex-England internationals - Carver, Podge (when fit)Moly, they at least would show some passion. There was none tonight

That's my seventeen quids sorry tuppenceworth

DAV007 12-03-2013 22:29

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 1046411)
Yes,I agree,BUT Colman would not command the dressing room because he left mid season. i sincerely doubt any other manager bought in would have success at this stage though it would be a better option than Colman.

the mind boggles with a statement like that, it really does.

DAV007 12-03-2013 22:32

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 1046425)
Smudgie suggested a Colman return in an earlier post (about the time we went 3-0 down).


its complete tosh, that a dressing room would not welcome back coleman because he left mid season for a team in a higher division.

your logic is simply insane.

shakermaker 12-03-2013 22:38

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Can't be bothered going into it. We might as well have had eleven turds wrapped in red cloth for all the good that shower did tonight. Leave it at that.

See you all on Saturday.

The Red Darreners 12-03-2013 22:52

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Sorry also wanted to say regardless of our defending (esp 2nd and third goals) it was one of the best hat-tricks I've ever seen live. A glorious and for a big bloke athletic volley, a wonderfully composed second and a beautiful flick on third. Last time I said that was erm....Akinfenwa a few weeks ago

That aside I'd never seen him play live before. He has fantastic touch and balance for a big bloke. He terrified our back line.

Easy to spot this weakness in the videos other teams must watch to prep.

We need to run at them and impose from the kick off. We need runners. And we need to keep the ball. We cant keep hoofing to 21 for the oh so predictable inch perfect flick-on to no-one in particular usually the opponents.............

There I go again, exposing my complete and utter lack of understanding again. sorry.

I'm sorry, just feel a bit cheesed off with it all

I'll be bellowing again on Saturday, I'm sure...............

nige b 12-03-2013 23:23

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Think for most on here this is a low point never experienced for many a year and we are discussing the fall out of this game and potential relegation but what I genuinely do not know is who is actually making the day to day, week to week and month to month decisions on how our club is run. How have we been allowed to get into this situation and more importantly how are we going to get out of it and who will make these very important decisions..I would like to know and if anyone could enlighten me I would be most appreciative. Cheers

bdc 12-03-2013 23:33

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Not really much to say on top of what has been said already. I could only really say that Lingazi and Boco were any players to come out with any credit today. Tactics were wrong from the start of the game and I really don't think Jeffers is the type of player we need. He seemed very lazy tonight and disinterested in chasing any balls beyond the end of his feet. I didn't understand the wisdom in playing Jeffers and Beattie together and having no Molyneux on the left to provide service to them.

The tipping point for me was when we were 3-0 down and Leam takes off a striker and brings on a midfielder to play one up top when we needed goals. Why not bring Carver on and give him a chance to prove himself, he cant do any worse! I really think that Dunbavin coming back is a timely boost and I hope he is fit enough to be back in by next Tuesday, he is a far better keeper than Rachubka and this will improve the team. I really think we should play Rommy off one of the strikers, this is his best position and Molyneux is better at LM instead of Wilson.

Time is running out and the next 2 games will decide our fate, if we play with the effort we did tonight I think we will be going down. There was no fight in the performance tonight and the players don't seem to care. Hard to believe we finished 5th the other season.

Tin Monkey 13-03-2013 07:36

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
I don't get on many games nowadays due to no longer living in the county, but managed to get over last night.

I wasn't expecting very much, but from highlights I'd seen and discussion on here, I thought I'd see a really battling performance from a team filled with belief and a desire to survive in the league.

As it transpired I saw a team that ran around a lot, but lacked many of the basics needed to be even slightly effective. I can honestly say that at the end of the evening I had no idea what was going on. The players worked hard physically, but they seemed to have no idea what it was they were supposed to be doing. That has to be down to the leadership behind the team.

I was telling a Blackpool fan in work about last night and he said it was exactly the same when they had Colin Hendry in charge. Lots of effort, but no real idea of how to organise tactics or organise themselves. As soon as Simon Grayson took over it changed instantly. No change of staff, just a change of leadership.

I feel a real sadness in what's happening and totally frustrated that there's a powerlessness to do anything about it. Shame really.

lancsdave 13-03-2013 07:43

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1046437)
My biggest moan is why we pulled Liddle off,when he was our best defender,made no sense to me.

Apart from Boco he was also the best attacker the team had last night.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 1046447)
Can't be bothered going into it. We might as well have had eleven turds wrapped in red cloth for all the good that shower did tonight. Leave it at that.

See you all on Saturday.

I couldn't decide all night which was winding you up the most, the performance on the pitch or the situation in the stand.

Have to say since I was on the end of a 21-1 defeat in my playing days I can't think of a more toothless performance of that last night, which says a lot when I've seen some pretty awful performances over the years down the road. Why start with a 9 man team ?

cashman 13-03-2013 07:43

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
There are no excuse fer such n inept performance,given our circumstances,sod all else to say at the moment.:mad:

Wynonie Harris 13-03-2013 08:08

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
I don't have a sophisticated grasp of tactics, but I know when I'm being conned. We were being conned last night, With two or three exceptions, most of 'em don't give a toss - they're just turning up and drawing a wage. No passion, no commitment, no fight. An insult to us loyal supporters who still turn up. :mad:

SamF 13-03-2013 08:43

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
We have built a team around has-been living off former glories. We should be building around Boco and Lingazni how are a class above every ****** else in a red shirt. We started to play football after Beattie went off. Parkin was spectacular - we cant handle big CFs

tonyalveston 13-03-2013 08:53

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
We were shocking!!! Nothing to add to previous comments, but the lack of effort by the two former Internationals, means they are simply here for spending money.

I never walk off early and have supported thr Reds MAN AND BOY, BUT HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A SHAMBLES AS THIS SEASON. There will be no season tickets purchased by us next year. Alvi

smobile 13-03-2013 09:17

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 1046396)
Cooky is there in the directors box aparently.

Disgrace.

100% Agreed - He started this fiasco of a season

cashman 13-03-2013 09:27

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyalveston (Post 1046495)
We were shocking!!! Nothing to add to previous comments, but the lack of effort by the two former Internationals, means they are simply here for spending money.

I never walk off early and have supported thr Reds MAN AND BOY, BUT HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A SHAMBLES AS THIS SEASON. There will be no season tickets purchased by us next year. Alvi

Thats yer choice tony, i shall renew n have also supported when a boy, they may be crap at this point, but they are my crap,simple as.;)

football19 13-03-2013 09:36

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Now the dust has settled i will try and work out what went wrong!!.
On paper they had a slightly better team than us,but i thought home advantage would cancel that out.
Bdc was right what he said about Parkin.I know hes a big name in this league and he was un-playable last night,6-4tall and a touch/technique to die for,i now know,upto 12 months ago, why he was playing at the top end of the championship(cardiff etc..).
We just couldnt get near him,as his touch and strength were top drawer.
To combat this you have to stop the supply and have a defensive mid on his toes,thats why i dont like 4-4-2,as murph and linganzi had there own men to worry about.Once again,its 4-3-3 for me.
There winger,Brown looked a real handful (already has 12 goals) and i thought Lids played him well and also got forward.
Linganzi,once again grew into the game,and should be given a free role,showing a willingness to get forward.
In the end tho,you cant play with nine men,and Jeffers should have been sent off for pushing his head into someones face(seen it all before)when he realised he wasnt going to get a kick all night.
Beattie and Jeffers havnt done anything for the past five years,even struggled at resis level in the past,and these type of players dont want to try and chase or attempt to turn bad balls into good ones,i ve seen it all before,and football people see straight thro it.
One thing to come out of it,is our young centre backs will learn from playing against a quality player at the top of his game,and thats why there centre backs were outstanding,as they have to mark him in training every day !!

Billy Casper 13-03-2013 09:37

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1046499)
I shall renew n have also supported when a boy, they may be crap at this point, but they are my crap,simple as.;)


Totally Agree Cashy ,:alright: Same here :)

Wynonie Harris 13-03-2013 09:58

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1046499)
Thats yer choice tony, i shall renew n have also supported when a boy, they may be crap at this point, but they are my crap,simple as.;)

...as will I!

AccyMad 13-03-2013 10:13

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1046469)
Apart from Boco he was also the best attacker the team had last night.



I couldn't decide all night which was winding you up the most, the performance on the pitch or the situation in the stand.

Have to say since I was on the end of a 21-1 defeat in my playing days I can't think of a more toothless performance of that last night, which says a lot when I've seen some pretty awful performances over the years down the road. Why start with a 9 man team ?

The situation in the stand shouldn't have been allowed to happen & it was made even harder to swallow by the lack of performance by most of the team - I have rarely felt so flat after a game than I did last night, couldn't even raise my emotions to feel gutted. I have been convinced that we will not go down but last night was the first time I began to get worried.
Nevertheless, will be there on Saturday - hopefully our Norwegian friends attending the game will bring some luck with them & our lads will realise they need to pull all the stops out & put in a shift as they did against Cheltenham & Torquay - here's hoping

yonmon 13-03-2013 10:36

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
My return last night to the 'field of dreams' has left me both shocked and baffled !!.
Shocked to witness a team whose joint commitment, effort, and desire to win should have been so vital to the very survival of the Stanley as a Football League Club nevertheless contained seven players who appeared to be either disinterested in the task to hand, or worse still seemed to give the whole thing up as a bad job when Fleetwood's first goal went in !!...that last bit being a sad indictment on any player at any level !!.
The element that baffled me altogether arose from the memories of that night at The Highbury Stadium where not that long ago The Reds played Fleetwood Town off the pitch
.... and my thoughts are How, Where, and Why has the transformation into the shapeless outfit of individuals presented to us last night come about ??.....Why even Football19's keen analytical observations at half-time were highlighted by this very point...if 'no shape and running around getting nowhere !' were to be believed.

My last thoughts as I sank into a fitful sleep last night were once again...and I don't want to bore you folks...Who in the current squad is going to score enough goals to ensure a desperately needed victory and the 10 or more points required for survival ??...Sir Bobby Robson's simple equation was, and still rings true.. " Score some goals and you'll win more games than you lose....Fail to score and you'll be relegated " .
Like Cashy I reckon that I'll be a Stanley supporter for many more reasons than the current situation holds for us !!.....BUT I want the team to be one that I can have some pride in supporting and who share in my desire for it's success !......
See you on Saturday !!.



yonmon 13-03-2013 11:17

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
[QUOTE=mab;1046434]Jon Parkin was the diffrence between the teams, class finishing simple!!![ /QUOTE]

Perhaps so Mark ....but Fleetwood had a team of eleven players.....against which our three or four 'triers' had little chance !!....
Something desperately wrong somewhere !!.

FrankMoody 13-03-2013 12:14

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Read a lot of drivel on here about tactics and formations after last nights game with people trying to complicate the subject with 'analysis'!!

Football's a simple game and last night we wernt competitive enough, didnt work hard enough, defended poorly and had absolutely no contribution from our 'international' strike force.

There is a reason why these two (Beattie & Jeffers) were without a club when we got them - they are both finished.

Last half hour when Gray and Molyneux came on we at least had a bit of a spark, a few corners and attempts on goal.

In a nutshell:
Goalkeeper is suspect.
Back 4 were all over the place
Murphy cant pass, Lingazi lacks discipline
Boco looked lively
Beattie and Jeffers embarrassing

For me hes got to leave the dynamic duo out on sat - play Gray, play Molyneux

football19 13-03-2013 12:53

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Everyone has an opinion frank, but to say tactics and formations are drivel really is laughable.Have you been involved in a coaching environment ? , what do you think pro teams do during the week ?,play a bit of five a side and a few doggies !!.
The weeks training is geared up to who you are playing ,strengths/weaknesses,then you work on shape and patterns of play to exploit it.
To the layman it's called structured coaching.
You can't legislate for basic mistakes or quality play,that's football,that's why Blackburn beat arsenal,sat deep,two banks of four and waited for one chance,do you think it was there game plan or luck?,you have made me smile anyway

Doug 13-03-2013 13:43

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
This to me is the outcome of over zealous accounting and the reliance on hand to mouth management of managing the manager.

Colman & Bell where dispirited and deflated towards the end of their last full season so I guess the rot started there, prior to that there was a financial reluctance to sign contracts that would possible have kept key players in a Red Shirts. Maybe.

Most of us wanted Cook on board when Coley & Jimmy left and like everyone else I felt let down and deserted when he jumped ship; but why did someone so Stanley go? Was it greed, a professional judgement or could he not continue his role because of internal divisions. It's happened before. Maybe.

We all wanted Leam to get a fair crack at the whip and so he should have; but now I'd ask Leam to (in his own words) to have a fight, a fight with his conscience and make a decision on his future and that of our Club.

Personally I would ask Leam to consider his own relegation into second or third place; based on who the club bring in to save us from a slow and painful crawl into non existence; I don't think it will end in relegation to non league, I think it will open the door marked History and the end of this Club.

Fleetwood out played us. They want promotion (they won't get it this year) but they have investment; they took out a great manager and replaced him with a man manager with a heart in the game and a will to prove himself; it was an investment in their club's future.

Who owns Accrington Stanley? Who's making the decisions and the investment in the clubs future?

This starts at the top with investment; invest in a Manager or Management Team, proven individuals for the last seven or eight games, get shut of the dead wood and get the guys that have scored goals up front.

FrankMoody 13-03-2013 14:00

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1046533)
Everyone has an opinion frank, but to say tactics and formations are drivel really is laughable.Have you been involved in a coaching environment ? , what do you think pro teams do during the week ?,play a bit of five a side and a few doggies !!.
The weeks training is geared up to who you are playing ,strengths/weaknesses,then you work on shape and patterns of play to exploit it.
To the layman it's called structured coaching.
You can't legislate for basic mistakes or quality play,that's football,that's why Blackburn beat arsenal,sat deep,two banks of four and waited for one chance,do you think it was there game plan or luck?,you have made me smile anyway

If you read my post again you'll realise I didnt say tactics and formations are are drivel, I actually said there had been a lot of drivel written about them on here - get your facts right.

Just to put your mind at rest I'm an ex-pro and ex manager with a UEFA coaching qualification, and actually at one of the pro clubs I played for virtually all we did was play 5 a side and a few doggies!

methinks you are are the one with a lack of knowledge my friend and you come on here trying to bafffle with bullsh1t, please feel free to carry on because it definitely makes me smile!!

cashman 13-03-2013 14:57

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
What i find odd about the post yeh made Frank, is n ex-pro as yeh claim would knock other pros, i.e. Beattie @ Jeffers? That speaks volumes to me.

FrankMoody 13-03-2013 15:18

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1046559)
What i find odd about the post yeh made Frank, is n ex-pro as yeh claim would knock other pros, i.e. Beattie @ Jeffers? That speaks volumes to me.

In the words of Roy Walker 'say what you see'!

Are they above criticism? Why shouldnt I knock them? I dont know them, I am a spectator, I pay my money and follow the team, my feelings for Stanley far outweigh any 'fellow comrade' superficial loyalty you hint at

football19 13-03-2013 15:26

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Interesting comments frank,just for your info,if you pm me,I will scan you my qualifications just to clear that up.FYI i played semi pro football and pro rugby,that's means nothing
On my coaching cv,I have 15 lads who got signed up(our capt will confirm that),that meaning nothing!,but if you have been involved in coaching,I am amazed with your comments,
Your right , I disagreed with a lot of Charlie Hughes ideas,but others swore by them,coaching and tactics is subjective.
Interested to here who you managed and played for,I am 50 years old and am familiar with most leagues/academies,maybe we have common ground ,look forward to your reply

Mr Whippy 13-03-2013 15:31

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Remember calling Akinfenwa a fat B then he put 3 past us?
Some people never learn

cashman 13-03-2013 15:59

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy (Post 1046570)
Remember calling Akinfenwa a fat B then he put 3 past us?
Some people never learn

Which has what to do wi this? yeh lost me.:confused:

SamF 13-03-2013 16:17

Re: Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1046574)
Which has what to do wi this? yeh lost me.:confused:

I think its the common factor of fat strikers scoring hattricks against us

cashman 13-03-2013 17:00

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 1046576)
I think its the common factor of fat strikers scoring hattricks against us

Ok well both of em are fat, that dont detract from the fact there good uns does it.:)

cashman 13-03-2013 18:17

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankMoody (Post 1046549)
If you read my post again you'll realise I didnt say tactics and formations are are drivel, I actually said there had been a lot of drivel written about them on here - get your facts right.

Just to put your mind at rest I'm an ex-pro and ex manager with a UEFA coaching qualification, and actually at one of the pro clubs I played for virtually all we did was play 5 a side and a few doggies!

methinks you are are the one with a lack of knowledge my friend and you come on here trying to bafffle with bullsh1t, please feel free to carry on because it definitely makes me smile!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankMoody (Post 1046565)
In the words of Roy Walker 'say what you see'!

Are they above criticism? Why shouldnt I knock them? I dont know them, I am a spectator, I pay my money and follow the team, my feelings for Stanley far outweigh any 'fellow comrade' superficial loyalty you hint at

O.K. what i mean is simple to understand, Yeh say in yer opinion theres a lot of drivel written about it on here, As a spectator same as i, yer entitled to yer opinion, But by stating yer qualifications then i mean thats a bit more, its talking down to people as far as i'm concerned, In my opinion most ex pros do not knock other pros, so to me yer in a minority in that respect, or yer full of bull, i don't know which, is that clear enough fer yeh?

yonmon 13-03-2013 18:17

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 1046576)
I think its the common factor of fat strikers scoring hattricks against us



.Sam !. Apart from Aki..Aki.. You know that big lad at Northampton !!....I can't actually remember that many fat strikers scoring Hat-tricks against the Reds !!.

And Jon Parkin fat ???....Well ?... Able-bodied, athletic, beefcake, beefy, big, brawny, bruising, bulky, gorillalike, hefty, hulking, hulky, hunk, muscular, powerful, stocky, strapping, strong, sturdy, well-built he certainly is....But from where I was sitting last night definitely NOT Fat !!.

So that just leaves us with young Saheed Adebayo the scourge of Sixfields who I would describe using the old Lancashire-ism as being merely 'Stiff-built' rather than 'FAT'...would you agree ??.

football19 13-03-2013 18:26

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
I want a stewards enquiry about his height,he looked 7'-4" to me.Quote of the night was a young kid who shouted to him whilst he was waiting to take a throw - " hey,no Parkin here tonight ! ",made him smile,came across as a decent bloke

lancsdave 13-03-2013 18:32

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy (Post 1046570)
Remember calling Akinfenwa a fat B then he put 3 past us?
Some people never learn

It's how football is, always was and always will be. Banter that bites you back in the rear end. :D

shakermaker 13-03-2013 18:56

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
The difference between being a class apart and being washed up was made visible by the opposite strike forces. Jon Parkin was the best player on the park. Beattie & Jeffers were embarrassing.

View From The Cow Shed: The Dark Night: Fleetwood's Revenge

football19 13-03-2013 20:09

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Just viewed the goals and to be fair the first was a great ball and even better finish,the second we lost possession(Bocco) on the half way line and were done with a early thro ball before we could react,the last,although a decent cross and flick,the keeper will have nightmares at getting beaten at the near post from six yards out and nearly on the bye line .

cashman 13-03-2013 20:23

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
To be honest i'm a Boco fan, but fail to grasp how he got MoM, when to my mind the second goal really did us up like a kipper.:(

football19 13-03-2013 20:35

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
To be fair cashy he showed a lot of effort,not everything came off,but I don't mind that.Thought Liddle had a great game,but the defence splitting pass was from his man ( brown),cutting inside for the first goal.
Toss up between those two for me

cashman 13-03-2013 20:41

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Liddle n Hunt to me were 2 that came out of that wi any credit. i would have edged liddle, Boco had a great move n shot in second half which probably got him the award? but fer my money the 2nd goal destroyed us n i think probably heads dropped n cost the match.

football19 13-03-2013 20:50

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Forgot about Hunt !, I think I just accept he's going to have a good game.Can I change my mind lol

cashman 13-03-2013 21:01

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
The first goal was a great through ball n great goal, no question, but i question were the marking was?:confused:

yonmon 13-03-2013 21:29

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 1046616)
The difference between being a class apart and being washed up was made visible by the opposite strike forces. Jon Parkin was the best player on the park. Beattie & Jeffers were embarrassing.

View From The Cow Shed: The Dark Night: Fleetwood's Revenge

This Fleetwood Blog is one of your best Shaker.....Hope that everyone concerned with and about Stanley's future finds a minute or two to read it !!,,

football19 14-03-2013 06:31

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Shakers views,as always,are spot on.To be fair cashy,on the night,my first reaction was it was crap defending,but after viewing it you have to give credit to the ball and Parkin .
Just before the ballis passed,you would be happy with the line and positions of the back four,but with a drop of the shoulder he pulled off deano and he knew he couldn't take a touch and passed/volleyed into the far corner whilst facing away from goal--credit were credits due.
If you were being really critical,maybe hunt and deans gap could have been tighter,

cashman 14-03-2013 06:38

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Fair enough i aint seen any replays.

fc:stanley 14-03-2013 09:05

Re: Fleetwood thread
 
Dean Winnard had one of the worst performances in a stanley shirt ive seen. He couldnt mark, he looked clumsy, he couldnt pass the ball, he couldnt find feet! Hes extrememly unreliable!! Id rather have his pace as a winger! Should of stuck Murphy there , least he looks comfortable!

Funniest bit of Deans performance was when in the box he needed to clear it out and instead of using his left foot to just hoof it clear he liked toe popped it out over the cowshed.


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