Rob Heys on lancs radio
 

Saying the players + staff haven't been paid this month and the financial problems are due the low gates but also some circumstances which he couldn't discuss yet which was the main reason...

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i suppose that would explain the lack of effort then!

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Does that mean we are going out with a bang? (again):(

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lets go bust then we don't get relegated! I wonder what the league would look like with our records expunged ...

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Maybe, but remember the games played during our last financial crisis, there was no lack of effort from the team then - in fact just the opposite, particularly away at Rochdale in what could very well have been our last game - then again it was mostly a different set of players at that time, maybe some of the ones we have now are a different breed :rolleyes:

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Sounds fairly ominous. Hope it's not another SOS case, as I can't see quite the same response this time.

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That doesn't sound very good at all, I remember the 60s, don't want that again

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Here we go again! What happened to the money from transfers and also compo from managers departing? With this, gate money and also finances from the football league given to us also including fa cup money and not forgetting little staff at the club how are we not paying the players their extremely low wages?

What a shambles again! No wonder the players dont look hyped up for the matches. There probably already thinking of their next club they are going to, to actually get a wage to feed their families!

Marsden get your finger out! Or all these other directors we never hear of!

We should make this season into a drama series.

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If you guys don't improve there's rumours that when we come in April we will have a banner. Do you remember that one that you put up when we came in 2005/2006 ?
"M.F.C. forever non-league" I think it was !!

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I see the cockroaches are coming out of the woodwork!

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I'm 100% certain they would welcome you with open arms if you took along a cheque to replace their money with yours ;)

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It appears you ain't got a clue just how much cash it takes to run a club like Stanley, in the football league, all though they are no Man United, you would actually be surprised just how much the wage bill is and gates around 1200 aren't going very far to keep everybody happy, the add on's you mention will have been snapped up long ago, helping to foot that wage bill. As for the players not being hyped up for matches, wonder how you would feel if you had no money at the end of the month to feed your family and pay your mortgage. At the end of the day playing football for a living is a job, a job most football fans would have loved to be able to do themselves, but not if they weren't getting paid for doing it

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Congratulations on your originality ! Right clever lot of cockle pickers arnt you! Must be bored, work dried up?

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Their the directors , board etc! If your not going to fund a business why be billy big bollocks and take over it?

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1. I havent got a clue? So your saying you do. Love to see your facts and figures on the clubs takings! Main account now?

2. My post was saying how its a job! Not critisising them! Id totally understand if they jumped ship! I would! Its a job and there not getting paid! Thats why i was saying how can we expect perofrmances on them when most wont be able to afford the petrol to actually come to training!

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Didn't they bail it out ?

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Didnt they take it over after a certain someone bailed it out.

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It's nothing like the big boys where they throw money at it. It's evolved that they currently have custody of how the club runs. Peter Marsden was part of the intial rescue bid with Ilyas wasn't he ?

Many of the directors have been appointed not just because they have put money in but they have a level of expertise to add. They certainly haven't done a Roman and 'bought' the club. I don't think the clubs rules allow them to do that anyway.

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'Level and Expertise' and 'Custody Of The Club Runs' dont really mix with players and staff not getting paid.

Looks like they have lots of 'Expertise'.

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You don't have to be a genius to work out that the money coming in doesn't cover the money going out on gates of 1200, would think there are 30+ on the wage bill and players and management won't be on £100 a week, not forgetting tax and insurance, that's national insurance, plus players insurance, ground maintenance etc. have all got to be paid for. I can't see the weekly draw adding too much to the kitty although every little helps. There is no doubting times are very difficult for Stanley at the moment, but now ain't the time to criticise directors players or staff its all hands to the pump, together we stand divided we fall is maybe a good adage to remember;)

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That six-figure stadium and shirt sponsorship didn't last long eh?

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I view of the commitment to openness and transparency I sure the club will come forward and clear things up promptly.

The club is owned by the fans is it not; or at least those who bought shares and there's a fan on the board so all should be well at the end of the day. :)

I assume that the "Store First" money will resolve the sort term issues; biggest deal in Stanley's history, also being over three years should build in some fall back when times get hard. Wouldn't the Crown make a decent StoreFirst Complex if we did go under? Frightening thought.

I think we need to concentrate on the field of play and let the Directors do their job, after all what happens at Stanley would have a negative effect on their own businesses so I sure things will be fine, and there's not been any CCJ for months now. Keep the faith.

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I doubt you will find any business that pays up front for those sponsorship deals.

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Talking sense Doug:thumbsup:

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The Financial crap is beyond our control, trying to lift the lads aint.

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A MARCH CAROL ??.


http://www.mcircle.org/shows/scrooge...e_cratchit.jpg

Spotted and overheard in the overworked Finance office at The Store First Stadium as one of it's Fiscal Wizards questions the CEO on the wisdom of signing and financing geriatric International Strikers..!!

"It seems Cratchit that just when we thought we were making ends meet...someone has gone and moved the ends again !!"..

" Would that be The Clayton or The Coppice End Sir ?"

( Financial Wizard despairs once again and sighs accordingly !!).

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well you have to be able to take it if you dish it out :jimbo::jimbo:

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Auld head talking sense;)

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Just read the LET article, it's a cash flow blip. (had a few of them myself in recent months) The only resolve is to get the money in from all that owe the club and for us the get on the Crown come the home games. Sound good coming from me; but I will try and get over for a couple of them

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I really do despair :-(

I spend my hard earned cash on following this club home and away, and seeing news like this makes me want to give up :-(

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Give over, Smudgie! Lots of bigger clubs are constantly in financial trouble, with Coventry, Portsmouth and also Rovers being close to administration, if rumours are correct. Never mind the fact that most of the big boys are financed by unsustainable debt, and only propped up by the ridiculous Sky TV money which they squander on players' salary levels that are almost immoral. How Stanley continue to survive is miraculous. Would you like to put your house up as collateral to keep us going, as Rob Heys apparently had to do a few years back?
Keep the faith, mate.

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Where does Eric Whalley come into all this ? Is he still attached to acci?

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don't be starting those rumours off!!!!!

unless you know something ...

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Do a lot of business in Blackburn and burnley and his name cropped up, some interesting tales !,

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Is Eric Back; Hope he's got some more Money :D. I bet he wouldn't pay these buffers wi' washers. :D:D

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Only a few weeks ago Rob Heys said no problems we get ONE MILLION POUNDS from other sources

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God Forbid! :eek:

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NEVER EVER think of giving up Smudgie! Stanley did that once in the sixties and once is enough. ON STANLEY ON.:jimbo:

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Eric who????

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Dont mention that scoundrel's name in here!!

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I Know it generates a lot of bad feeling,but can anybody answer the question??.
I havent got a clue myself,and cant be bothered reading the past posts!!.
Funny his name cropped up after all this time,then again it may be old gossip/tales :)

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Man U are over £650 Million in the red, Rovers are nowhere near administration, they just have useless owners who should just sod of back to India

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The way Rob talked had too many echoes of a couple of years ago when the public protestations were far removed from what was really going on. We were kept in the dark then and, given the way the clubs' leadership behaved at that time ( and some of the same people as still there in prominent positions) no one can blame the fans for thinking there may be something more sinister.

It's also being reported on the BBC news and website, so once again our club is making headlines for the wrong reasons, and I doubt anybody stopped to think about how to handle this from a Google Page Ranking perspective at this critical stage in the season.

It's all adding to my rapidly decreasing confidence that the current board are competent to run our club effectively. I appreciate its an extremely difficult task but as different people have been appointed, we've been led to believe it was to bring their expertise and experience to the running of the club, which on present form doesn't look like its working too well.

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all the more reason to get in coleman and bell.

the last time this happened they used the circumstances to motivate the players.

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The way Rob talked had too many echoes of a couple of years ago when the public protestations were far removed from what was really going on. We were kept in the dark then and, given the way the club's leadership behaved at that time ( and some of the same people as still there in prominent positions) no one can blame the fans for thinking there may be something more sinister this time.

It's also being reported on the BBC news and website, so once again our club is making headlines for the wrong reasons, and I doubt anybody stopped to think about how to handle this from a Google Page Ranking perspective at this critical stage in the season.

It's all adding to my rapidly decreasing confidence that the current board are competent to run our club effectively. I appreciate its an extremely difficult task but as different people have been appointed, we've been led to believe it was to bring their expertise and experience to the running of the club, which on present form doesn't look like its working too well.

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Yeh mean like they motivated Rochdale.:rolleyes: Give it a rest.

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Fact

the previous occasions when the players where not paid, JC and JB used circumstance to motivate the players.

Sorry for quoting facts.

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Maybe we're been a little harsh on Rob for his statement, it's the balance of the thing at the end of the day and again few of us know the whole facts behind the cash flow comments. We have asked for and even demanded; me certainly, that there should be openness and, that word we all love; Transparency.

Today we got it and some of us went into that dark place of the past. What is Transparency anyway and how much of it is good for us. Did Rob do anything wrong, was there inside knowledge of a leak that would have caused us more concern. Maybe we need to have an open and frank discussion on what's in our own best interests as supporters and what's in the best interest of the club.

If we where in the mire I'd want to know, and know what was being done to elevate the situation; if we have a cash flow problem surly that should remain an internal management issue and out of the public/supporters domain.

How do we balance these matters, what is in our best interests.

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The fact is they won't be coming back, so break the record;)

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Its not a record, its my opinion.
You are welcome to your opinion.

If we lose to Barnet, what will your latest excuse be for Leam's management?
The pressure we now face going into these games being bottom of the league i huge.
And its because under Leam, the board have allowed us to sleep walk into the relegation zone.

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I would love to see a team like Coley and Jimmy again; but their being here would not have made the slightest difference to this issue; if anything it would push them further away from us as a club. This is not about managers on the field.

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fair point doug.

how do I withdraw my comments?

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If you can guarantee that I'll press Like.;)

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This month for the very first time under my chairmanship the players' wages were not paid on time.

This is deeply embarrassing for me and the Board. Like most businesses we experience cashflow peaks and troughs. We hit one of those troughs. I am pleased to advise that the players' wages have now been brought almost up to date and by tomorrow (i.e before Saturday's home game with Barnet) will be fully up to date.

The Board are putting in place initiatives to ensure that we will be able to meet players' wages from now until the end of the season.

Please would the town get behind Leam and the boys and roar us on to 3 points on Saturday. It is vital we stay in the League. Many people have worked long and hard to get us back to where we belong - as a Football League club - we can't and won't fail them now.

We realise that everyone is feeling the pinch in the tough economic climate but come on Accrington let's fill the ground.

WE ALL HAVE A PART TO PLAY

On Stanley On.

Peter Marsden
Chairman
Accrington Stanley Football Club

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This month for the very first time under my chairmanship the players' wages were not paid on time.

This is deeply embarrassing for me and the Board. Like most businesses we experience cashflow peaks and troughs. We hit one of those troughs. I am pleased to advise that the players' wages have now been brought almost up to date and by tomorrow (i.e before Saturday's home game with Barnet) will be fully up to date.

The Board are putting in place initiatives to ensure that we will be able to meet players' wages from now until the end of the season.

Please would the town get behind Leam and the boys and roar us on to 3 points on Saturday. It is vital we stay in the League. Many people have worked long and hard to get us back to where we belong - as a Football League club - we can't and won't fail them now.

We realise that everyone is feeling the pinch in the tough economic climate but come on Accrington let's fill the ground.

WE ALL HAVE A PART TO PLAY

On Stanley On.

Peter Marsden
Chairman
Accrington Stanley Football Club

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Dav, do please stop it....
You're negativity is not helping...
Accept the FACT that, at this stage, we are NOT going to change the management...
IF, next season, we are in BSQ 1, so be it...are you going to stop supporting us?
Not me!

See you Saturday... although I may not recognise you!!
The only way is up!
Gerard

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I actually think you want Stanley to get beaten on Saturday so you can carry on with your whining, you hadn't a lot to say when the picked 4 points up against Rochdale and Torque, must have dented your cause somewhat, but at least it shut you up

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Douglas, great post. I agree it's all about balance and at times, it's difficult and awkward. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't!

If a smallish company of about 45 employees with an annual turnover of about £1.5M and an irregular phased income stream through only 5 sources of income didn't pay some of its wages in March, but promised it was a temporary cash flow issue that would be resolved in the month, then not too many people, save for those directly involved, would bat an eyelid. Because its a football club, and our football club, loads of people are interested and its a nationally and internationally reported story.

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Well, I have my forum name on the back of my shirt...... Not seen anybody else's since 'SHOTGUN', & the least said about that the better!!!

My real name is Gerard!!

(intended this to follow post 58, Rev red!)

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I doubt most clubs financial affairs are made known to the fans apart from the annual accounts.

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I am not surprised we are struggling with cash flow but surely if we had these issues on the 1st March, how could we afford to sign Jeffers? Wouldn't it make more sense to move some players out on loan if we are short of money to fund loan signings of our own?

We need to find a way of increasing crowds to improve cash flow, stating the obvious I know but surely we could look at what Morecambe did against Dagenham and try letting people in for free for one game. Their form has improved ever since that game and they have moved up the table to the top half. The players would respond in a positive way to a big crowd behind them and this may help us to get improved results. We did it against Torquay a few years ago and we got 4000 plus on and we got the result we needed.

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From the Telegraph

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Well remember that game against Torquay... I had been admitted to hospital the day before, & listened to the commentary, courtesy of a mini radio provided by my loved ones!
As I remember it, Cav scored with a free kick in last minute or so.
Still didn't leave me feeling any better tho'!

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I remember it to, I didn't get in because the ground was full :confused:

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From what I recall their chairman saying afterwards, they didn't lose any money on the night they did that, as had extra sales on food, drink, programmes etc that compensated for the gate revenue. Too late for us to consider for the next 2 vital home games, but depending how those results go, it's an option our board should think over for another home game (or two) as every player will tell you they'd prefer to play in front of larger crowds.

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By time I got to ground, found someone sat in my seat. Explained to steward that it was my season ticket seat but that didn't matter a jot in the chaos and ended up wet through on Coppice Terrace!

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that wouldn't do much for us though as we get a set fee from the food sellers regardless of crowd and drink sales are limited to the rabbit hutches out in the weather. The Globe has decent bar areas and they own all the concession revenues.

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Cheapskate!!
If you'd let me know, you could have had my ticket!
The one I'd paid for!!!

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Thanks for the clarity. Wasn't aware of commercial arrangement with food retailer, so copying that idea may not be so straightforward for us

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I am told it was covered as the 2nd sports news story on BBC north west tonight.
It was mentioned prior to rio ferdinands shock re-instatement to the England squad.
Why did the BBC decided to give it so much prominence?

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Don't know how we'll it's worked for them every home game, but on Tuesday their crowd was 22 fewer than ours ...........

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Because bad news is preferable to good, as far as the British Bollocking Corporation is concerned!

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To give idiots like you something to post about !