Rob heys
 

I friend just rang me to say he has heard rob Heys has been charged by the fa for breaching betting rules . Has anybody else heard Owt .?? Surely not after going thru the last experience . I take it same rules apply to chief execs as well as players if its true

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Just seen it on news now from telegraph

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On Sky Sports News

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Looks like your mate's right.

Football Rules & Governance - Heys charged | The FA

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Me too its now on sky sports. If any of the games involve Accy I don't see how he can continue in his post

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Well, the man who nearly everyone on this board is scared to criticise despite the fact he has been at the centre of all the failings and problems at the club over the years has been charged with gambling offences.

Are you going to throw your precious Rob to the dogs the same way you did with Cavanagh, Williams, etc or do you continue to creep up to Rob?


It does make me laugh, the amount of times things go wrong/don't happen/etc at the club and no one in here dares question Rob Heys.

I don't even know Rob, but I do know if your the chief exec you should get fair criticism and questions.
He seems to be beyond criticism.

This is an opportunity for some of you to explain why you are to scared to ever ask questions of Rob.

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BTW,
having your chief exec involved with dodgy gambling is far worse in terms of Google Page Ranking than the players.

Players in the lower leagues come and go, a chief exec is meant to act in the clubs best interest.

Its not the clubs best interest to have the sky sports scroll bar displaying he has been charged with gambling offences.

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its just been on radio Lancashire as well ..

stoke city's striker Cameron Jerome has been charged as well .. he's admitted the charges though

1611:
FOOTBALL
The Football Association release a statement after Stoke City striker Cameron Jerome and Accrington Stanley managing director Robert Heys are charged in relation to a number of betting offences.

An FA statement said: "The FA has charged Stoke City's Cameron Jerome with breaches of its rules in relation to a number of betting offences.

"Jerome has admitted the charges. A date for an Independent Regulatory Commission to hear the case will be set in due course.

"The managing director of Accrington Stanley, Robert Heys, has been charged with alleged breaches of FA Rules in relation to a number of betting offences. Heys has until 9 August 2013 to respond to the charges."
1606:
BREAKING NEWS
Stoke City striker Cameron Jerome and Accrington Stanley managing director Robert Heys charged by the Football Association with betting offences.


swiped from bbc sports news feed .. BBC Sport - Football transfers, county cricket, World Athletics

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Accrington Stanley

nothing here.

If the FA are wrong, the club needs to put out a fast response denying the charges.

question still stands, why some of you never ask questions of the chief exec when things go wrong?

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Shall we just hold on until it's properly established whether he is, or isn't, guilty of anything? That always used to be the way it was done ............ I'm sure most people would prefer to hold their counsel and await due process, rather than to start a speculative witch-hunt

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I agree, but some where happy to witch hunt when the players got charged.

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I don't think it's a matter of him being beyond criticism, I think a lot of people thought he was the cardboard king's puppet and must be OK after Ilyas kept him as Chief Exec. Certainly looks like he has some explaining to do now.

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He's still fully entitled to the presumption of innocence

Just as the rest of us would be

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Thanks Yerself

I genuinely didn't understand what peoples thinking was.
Now you have given yours, it helps to understand why he seems to be the only chief exec in the football world who never gets questioned.

I do agree if Iylas gives his blessing then he must have something to him.

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Again,
I agree.

I was simply making the point some people didn't give the same presumption if innocence to some of the players.


innocent or not, the club needs to respond fast to take ownership of the story.
That's what good chief execs do.

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Davo will say whatever suits his agenda, saying the guy aint been criticised displays that fact.:rolleyes:

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lol @ Rob having to write his own epitaph.


I can't wait til he has to sack himself, we can then go out and pay £50k+ for a proper CEO, one who doesn't know the club, give a $h!t about the club, spend money the club hasn't got then bail out and take a pay-off as soon as the going gets tough. Can't wait.

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Like what happen under Eric, D'on, Iylas and Peter Marsden

And who was the chief exec all 4 times?
Answers on a post card.

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An agenda of wanting the clubs staff, the clubs representatives to be the best and to strive for the best.
Some agenda.

Some of you glorify in being tin pot.
I really don't understand it.

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And some of us appear to revel in someones apparent downfall........

Whatever happened to presumtion of innocence?

I get the impression Dav007 that you are somewhat rather enjoying this........sad, very sad.

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Can't disagree enough, I care about the club doesn't make me a good CEO.

Surely a decent CEO will be worth his/her weight in gold.

We need somebody half decent to pull the tinpot shambles which we are off the pitch, to the level we display on the pitch.

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Here's hoping there's no truth in the allegations,I saw Rob mid morning and he didn't look like he had a care in the world.There's nothing on the club website,I would of thought the clubs supporters deserved some kind of explanation and statement fron the clubs press office.

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Lets wait till we get the facts.IMO Rob is Mr Accrington

I think DAV007 needs to calm down.Its coming across like he has a vendetta against rob for some reason

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I expect this is everyone's hope !, for sure the last thing that the Club needs at this pivotal moment in it's existence is the sort of condemnation and alienation which allegations, let alone confirmation of such
behaviour carries along with it !.
The PFA seem quite happy to headline the details :-

Heys charged with betting offences

http://www.thepfa.com/news/2013/8/5/...ge.ashx?mw=628
Accrington Stanley's managing director Robert Heys has been charged with a number of betting offences by the Football Association.
The FA's rules prohibit players or officials betting on any matches in competitions with which their club is involved.
Heys, who has been at the Sky Bet League Two club for more than 10 years, has been charged with alleged breaches of FA rules in relation to a number of betting offences and has until August 9 to respond to the charges.

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I wonder if he had a cheeky fiver on Beattie getting the Accy job ;)

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He probably bet on us to avoid relegation.easy money

Id be interested to know how they find out these things anyway.

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It don't really matter how they find out, What matters is after the last fiasco is another betting thing comes out, I find that sodding amazing.:(

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maybe dav05 has been rooting through heys bin and found old betting slips

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I really do despair :( :( :( :( :(

There are no words.

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Just bear in mind though even though cav was found guilty.I dont see him in the same boat as mangy and rocky etc.. It may just be an innocent mistake.

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Short statement on fishy now.:( only coarse to take in my view.

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Surely there is no way back???

He isnt my best mate as a few on here know but I havent said anything damning for a long time.

In this case, surely its the end ?

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Where to start with this one?

Rather than idly speculate about what has or hasn't happened, due process will be followed and the truth will out, so think we should let that happen. As I understand it, Rob has the right to respond to the charges by 9th August, so we'll see. However......

The real issue here for me is leadership. Leadership involves good judgement, so given our recent history with this type of thing, it's bordering on unforgivable for the CEO to put himself in a position where he's charged with these allegations, and ignorance of the fine detail of FA rules in this area is no defence as understanding FA rules is a fundamental part of his job.

Leadership also involves taking control, getting on the front foot and setting the tone. The story is on the FA website, on the BBC, on Sky the LET etc, with nothing at all on the club's website in terms of a statement. Checked the Stoke website as Cameron Jerome also charged today and there's a statement on there. If you don't say anything in situations like this, you create a gap and people will make up what they think should be in the gap. Not issuing a prompt statement lets others people take control and set the tone. Not good leadership.

I truly believe in innocent until proven guilty, but the accusation in this case for me is the last straw for Rob as CEO. The incidents over the years have been too frequent. He's a lovely bloke, however in my opinion out of his depth as CEO. He's a follower not a leader.

I'm not suggesting being CEO of Accrington Stanley is easy and I don't doubt that Rob genuinely has the good of the club at heart, but sometimes it's not enough and maybe, just maybe Rob and tinpot are too closely linked for another forward step.

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Club statement appeared as I was typing my post!

Only course of action open to us has been taken

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Agreed 100% Jag Red. Great post.

Apart from the statement bit... its now on the fishy :(

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Id be interested to know how they find out these things anyway, ( Quote: Sausage Butty ).

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/...-attorneys.png


Just a theory ??.




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This subject is now dead to me, until whatever is to be!! Some big games coming up, don't need any distractions.;)

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at least he has had his heart and soul in the club not like the lot we have been having at rangers . lets wait till the facts come out.

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That's a horrible thing to say.

I asked some legit questions as to why Rob Heys is untouchable in so many of this forum users eyes, and made a point about the previous betting scandal.
I also asked why they club where letting the other media outlets run with the story instead of putting out a response.

Nice to see they have put out a response.

And what a great way to prepare for a big cup match, but then again ,it will all be Ian Dunbavins fault, or John Colemans fault, or Sean McConvilles fault, etc.


Sorry for looking a little deeper.

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If you follow Rob on twitter you would know he likes the odd bet, and doesn't mind telling everybody about it

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A very quick search on google and I found this.

http://www.sportsbettinggroup.org/do...%20Booklet.pdf

To be honest I would have thought all the rules are common sense: 'don't bet on your club', 'don't bet on competitions your club is involved in', 'don't get involved in match fixing'.....

If you really need to gamble, surely it isn't difficult to find something else to bet on. Anything else at all would do. Surely it's not worth your job??

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Sounds like a dumb cup bet or Acca

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I see Satanage fans are having a dig on twitter.

I really do dispise that club !

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Shame, feel sorry for him its not just the Club its a person maybe losing their livelihood and one they enjoy I would think. :(

After what has happened in the past you would think this would never happen again especially from a CEO ? :(

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rubbish

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I'm still waiting for the results of the club's "internal enquiry" into the last betting scandal.
What a shocking mess.

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Rochdale forum:-

"Can't help but feel this sort of thing is rife at Accy, first the whole cav thing, now this. Also we have seen first hand that coleman didn't mind his players gambling and to an extent encouraged it."

No doubt Dav007 can put them right on that?

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Yeah

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I will give you 5/4 it's a load of rubbish :)

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Sounds like DAV007 has got something right at long last!!!

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Personally I think RH is ok but he does need to brush up on some things, that said I think we should reserve judgement on this case until all the facts have been established. There is no point in prejudging something that we don't know all the details about.

It could well be a simple error on his part or a failure to follow protocol, either way it could have a massive impact on his career, therefore I have nothing else to say on it as I don't think it is appropriate for us to cast judgement on this as we don't know all the facts.

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He's admitted the charge but asked for a personal hearing and has withdrawn from all club duties until the regulatory committee delivers its findings according to the BBC website

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I think it's important to point out that the wording on the Stanley website is that he has accepted the charge - not admitted it.

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Emphasis firmly on those lads on the pitch

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Another dark cloud hanging over us but we are used to it. Lets get behind James and the boys.

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Apart from the indication given on the BBC web, Macca, "accepted" in that context invariably means "admitted", rather than just "received". Were he just agreeing that he'd received the formal notification of the charges you can be sure the statement would have made that clear.

Now we wait for the hearing and the rest of the story; wild speculation, or "kangeroo court judgement" helps no-one

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Amen to that!

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I was only quoting the wording on the BBC website.

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Don't know how they found out but if it's from the period of the original gambling episode how about this for a scenario .JC to RH. gissa job Rob.....RH to JC take a hike.JC hello is that the football league I think you should look into......!!!! I wonder if JC is innocent???

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Thats quite an imagination you have chubbyland

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xavtia (Post 1070164) I was only quoting the wording on the BBC website.

Otherwise known as the British Bull**** Corporation by some.
Don't confuse journalism or gossip with truth.

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What makes you think it's my imagination DAV007,maybe just maybe I know JC better than you !!!!!!!!!

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If it is, it sure don't beat your Bias.

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FA officials found out about his gambling by following Rob Heys on Twitter

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Yes so I believe.I don't think it's anything to do with Stanley games.Man City v Leicester cup match and Stanley were already out of the comp....but rules are rules.

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I think we need to look ahead here, appoint a new CEO to head up our club internally, it just could be our most important signing to date

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According to the Observer, this goes back for ten years & includes games/competitions that Stanley were involved in. I'm sorry but if Rob loved the club as much as he is perceived to would he have risked dragging Stanley's name through the mud again in a similar manner to the players a few years ago? In the position he is in he should have known better, there's no excuse for this.

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I don't see how the FA can go back 10 years unless he has been using an online bookmaker?
I also think going back that far is unfair on Rob, they need to be realistic.

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Pack your stuff up and go . Just like Williams & co etc. No return for those players

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Did you use to burn witches?

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The "Calder Witches" Burnt at the Stake on Cunnigar Hill - YouTube its the only way.:D

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Yes lol. Eye for an bet

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lol they way some folk are reacting to this you would think hed mugged a granny or fiddled a kid

for gods sake he had a punt on a few games he had no influence over its outcome

mind you i havnt seen rob for some years he didnt do a stint as goalkeepr or anything did he ?

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turned out fer t'Ultra team once or twice and many would think he was throwing games ....

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If thats true, the point is theres many Ceos in football,plus many others in important positions in football, I'm damn sure the F.A. aint got time or manpower to follow em all? Therefore it leaves the thought that someones shopped him.

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Quoting from a page of the above booklet.


Monitoring
You need to be aware that there is a great deal of monitoring of the betting markets.

The football authorities work closely with specialist companies who are
constantly reviewing data and betting patterns from betting operators.

In addition, we have links with the betting operators themselves and with the Gambling Commission, the regulatory body for betting operators
in this country.
All of these organisations are aware of our betting rules and advise us of issues that arisein the cash, telephone and online betting markets.

The FA has the power to interview you and to require you to produce records
such as itemised phone bills, betting account statements and bank statements.

In summary, if you breach the betting rules, you are likely to get caught. You will the nbe subject to the FA’s disciplinary procedures and, if found
guilty, you will be subject to a range of sanctions including a warning,
fine or a significant period of suspension.

Remember, it’s your reputation, your responsibility and your career.

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Anybody numb enough to put their dodgy carryings on onto the web by twitter, facebook "et al" for all to see is the architect of their own downfall Mr C.

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Just a quick thought .....wasn't there a lot of 'SKY Bet' signs around the football league Grounds this week (and for the next 5 years)

only a quick thought that is all

Loweiy

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this article was taken from Mailonline 12th Aug

((((Accrington Stanley’s managing director Rob Heys, who has admitted multiple betting offences going back to 2003, at an FA hearing next week.
The charge follows a tweet last season being spotted by the authorities in which he revealed he had bet on Aston Villa’s 4-2 third-round Capital One Cup victory over Manchester City: ‘Laid City with Betfair at 1.18.))))

CHARLES SALE: Football can't penalise gambling violators while accepting huge betting sponsors | Mail Online

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What a daily rag says n what the F.A. says can well be 2 different things, Rules are Rules n Stupidity is Stupidity.

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Im aware there are betting rules in place but IMO these charges are pathetic.
If Stanley where involved I would understand but the villa vs city game is as far removed from league 2 as you can get.

Also, the way the story has been leaked to the press is unfair, no reason the FA couldnt have made it clear when they charged Rob it was relating to a league cup game that had nothing to do with Stanley.

And why has it taken the FA so long to charge him?
There are as many questions for the FA to answer as there is for Rob.

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Are you aware how many bets are involved?:rolleyes:and who they involve? Even if a cup match not involving us the rules state clearly no bets in anything your own club is taking part in, go listen to the video on the F.A. site.

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Dav, the FA rules on betting are clear and unambiguous and cover competitions your team are involved in, and, for cup competitions, the rule applies even if your team have been knocked out and are no longer 'active' for that season.

For me, it's not a question of how long it took or how many bets, it's a question of the judgement our MD has shown by betting when it's clearly contrary to the rules, especially in light of the recent episode with the players, and the judgement he's shown by broadcasting it on Twitter. Why would we want someone who's demonstrated such poor judgement making the fundamental decisions about our club?

I'm struggling to see how Rob could return to do his job with any genuine credibility after this

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If it was just the one charge for betting on the Villa v City game I might agree that it's a little harsh but the Accy Observer stated that : 'Around 500 bets have been investigated with some relating to Accrington Stanley or competions in which they were involved' so it's not so simple

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you don't have to believe the daily rags account it can easily be verified by looking at Rob Heys twitter post on 25th Sept 2012

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Which enforces me comment "Stupidity is Stupidity."

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Fair enough Accy Mad,
I was under the impression it was the one game.

I presume Peter Marsden has been briefed on what's happened?
How fast do the FA decide upon a suitable punishment?
Is it normally a fine or a ban from the game?
Is there a risk the club could be fined?

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I know the club is always strapped for cash but I can only hope the bets weren't being made in Stanley's name.
Maybe that could be Mr Heys' defence; it wasn't stupidity, your honour, I was just exploiting some funding opportunities with one of the League's official sponsors.
Betting = a mug's game. Twitter = a mug's medium.
Let's hope he learns if he still has a job after this.

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You're dead right there!

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More than two twits make a T?
well work it out for yourself

;)

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So the risk to the club is reputation?
No risk of a fine?

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Reputation is about all that Stanley have and with the alleged behaviour of its CX, that can easily be lost.
Some will, and have on here, argued that the FA rule on betting is rather petty (not least given the willingness of football authorities and clubs to get into bed with gambling firms). But what bothers me is that the club's CX, by publicising his gambling, appears to have not known or cared about such a rule.

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From the BBC website earlier today;

"Stoke's Cameron Jerome has been fined £50,000 for breaking Football Association betting rules.

The striker, 27, admitted repeatedly breaching the regulations. But the charge is not related to match fixing or betting on games he was involved in and he has the right to appeal against the sanction.

"Cameron Jerome has been fined £50,000, subject to any appeal, following an Independent Regulatory Commission hearing," the FA said in a statement.

"Jerome, who was also severely warned as to his future conduct, admitted a number of breaches of the FA's Betting Rules and requested a personal hearing which took place on Tuesday 13 August 2013."

Accrington Stanley managing director Robert Heys also admitted breaking betting rules earlier this month and is to have a hearing at the FA. "

Heck!

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You missed out this one DivThreeN

Tottenham midfielder Andros Townsend has been fined £18,000 by the Football Association for breaching betting regulations.

The 21-year-old was also suspended for four months backdated to 23 May although three of those months have been suspended until 1 July 2016.

Heys will be somewhere in between I'll wager ;)

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I bet yeh it is.:D

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so if those two precedents can be followed Rob will also be fined a weeks wages of £300 with a backdated two months (pre-season) suspension.

Back at work next week then ;)

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Are the bets the same Circumstances as those others?:confused: Cos yeh know more n me if they are.

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So who pays the fine ? person charged or club?