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No Lee Naylor - Wilson returns. Naylor not on the bench either; he has to be injured, surely? Wouldn't be out of the 18 after the reviews he's been getting ....

Anybody know? :confused:

Otherwise - same team. Odejayi on the bench sounds useful. Wet ball, skiddy pitch = shoot on sight:D

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Bloody hell - now who's going to tell me Peter Murphy's rubbish?

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Off the bottom of the table, unbeaten in 5. The rock keeps rolling!

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Had to follow the game via dan,it's not easy sat in a Tenerife bar with the sun shining,surely the weather is. Not that bad :) ,how did we do,ps Peter Murphy - legend !!

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Not a good game by any stretch due to the conditions but my what a finish.

There are players who go missing in a team that's not playing well (missing posters for Kal Naismith are in circulation I hear). Then there's players who thrive in a battling atmosphere - step forward Peter Murphy. Sign him up for life.

A borrowed result in the end but that finish will spur us on.

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Spot on, Shaker, but the conditions didn't seem to stop Wycombe playing some lovely stuff, especially down the right where their winger ran rigs round Wilson. Kayode made all the difference when he came on, which begs the question why JB didn't start with him, as our first half was dire. Unfortunately, we don't seem capable of playing any other style than humped long balls, as our midfield is so weak, which is nonsense with Webber and Gray up front. Mingoia was by far the better of our wide men, with Kal running into blind alleys and constantly losing possession. One great effort on goal from him doesn't count for much when his overall play is so poor. Surely we can't keep relying on our walking get out of jail card?

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Drab game really but a useful point that keeps the unbeaten run going. We are keeping pace with the teams above us so that is the most important thing.

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Your right, he is dire.

There is a reason why we go behind in games and need last minute goals to get a draw.
And part of that reason is having players with the ability (lack of) of Murphy in the team.

Its well documented he tries hard and has a good attitude, but this game is called football and he does not have the ability required of a league 2 central midfielder.
In his defence, he is not helped by habing Joyce as his midfield partner.

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Only two sides not lost in their last five - us and Pompey

:D:D:D

AND we're off the bottom. Who wants to sack the Manager now? :p

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I'd never have guessed ..... :tongueout

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Me.
Its his fault we ended up in this mess, and just to remind you we are still in the relegation zone.

But then again, div3north thinks that is something worth celebrating.

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Talk about daylight robbery. Wycombe must be wondering how they didn't win that game. Yes our unbeaten run keeps on going [Thank goodness for Peter Murphy]. But have to agree with others, Kal Naismith was way out of his depth today, as was I'm afraid to say, Luke Joyce. Every pass that went to either of them resulted in a Wycombe attack. Another missing player was Danny Webber, pulled out of every tackle and lost the ball frequently. The only thing spectacular about today's game was the lightning storm over back end of the Coppice. Thank goodness it didn't hit one of our floodlight pylons as it did at Rochdale. Can't make a judgement of George Bowerman, wasn't on long enough, but there were green shoots of a great potential partnership with Kayode Odejayi. Still at least we are off the bottom of the league. Onwards and upwards, perhaps we can forgive a downbeat performance and blame the weather.

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[QUOTE=Div3North;1082015]
AND we're off the bottom. Who wants to sack the Manager now? [QUOTE]

Keep rattling Davo's cage: five unbeaten and 9 valuable points whilst he continues to drink from his half-empty glass.:)

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Picking up points when you don't play well is a real positive IMHO

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That's as may be, but the likes of Davo, myself and others who are labelled "glass half empty" fans can see that with a little more astute direction from the management we could be doing so much better. Unless they can find a driving playmaker in midfield we are going to struggle to do better than merely grimly hanging on to a lead or ragging a share of the points. The maxim of not changing a winning team is is surely only valid at our level if your strikers are hitting the net consistently, but that isn't the case with us. Our little Clayton End group were disappointed but not surprised before the match to find that Kayode was on the bench. If he had been on from the start instead of Webber I don't think we would have found ourselves chasing the game, but JB's conservative approach cost us, IMHO. Not using our best forward asset by far from the start was plain daft.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1082020][QUOTE=Div3North;1082015]
AND we're off the bottom. Who wants to sack the Manager now?
half empty or realistic?

any news on Lee Naylor?

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Mistake IMO not to play big Kay from the start, he is a better target man than Gray, and Gray is more effective as a 2nd striker, and much better than Webber.

Is Webber too 'big' a name to drop for JB? I thought Kay was a cert to start instead of him.

Naismith really poor today, can't really fault his effort but every time he gets it he wants 20 touches and to beat 3 men. Thought McCarten may be given a try wide right sometime (cos he ain't a forward), his best performance of the season was Bury away 2nd half in that position.

Another point, another Betoneli awesome performance.

Gray & Kay to start up top next sat (unless the big fella can't play cos it's the cup) and if not Gray and Bowerman

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As one of my more knowledgable coaching friends tell me, he might as well be on the bench for the distance he has to come back and get the ball because of the gap between midfield and front line. Imagine how much damage he could do if he was actually playing up front most of the game, and didn't have to venture further back than the D on the edge of the box :)

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The midfield is where we are the most weakest, the central midfield area is crying out for some quality.
Why cant Beattie see it?

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Well my first two pence worth in a few weeks.

Positives First.

The Pitch

Fair play to Buzzer and the club, its the worst conditions ive seen in a long time and the pitch stood up brilliantly. Only taken them 40 years but AT LAST, it seems to be sorted :)

The Defence

For me, the back 4 & keeper actually looked a half decent unit today. Benitelli has proved to be a real find, the save in the first half was the best ive seen at the Crown for many a year. I thought the back 4 actually looked a decent unit. Aldred and Hunt where by far the best players wearing red today. Wilson obviously wasn't fully fit and looked miles off the pace, hopefully Naylor injury isnt too bad???

Also Odejayi I thought was great when he came on. The lad really is a work horse, reminds me of a certain Paul Mullin, NEVER gives up a lost cause. No doubt it was his presence that led to the goal.

You have to hand it to Murph, he was almost a passenger throughout but fair play to him, he was there when it really mattered.

As for the match itself, a real smash n grab. They without doubt should of had at least 1 penalty, and we got away with murder. But am I bothered ??? AM I HELL :D

Negatives.

The Midfield.

Absolutely non-existent for me, Joyce?? Please somebody tell me what he is contributing to the side??? Naismith had an absolute shocker too, also really looked like he gave up in the last 20 minutes, which wasn't great to see. Mingoia tried his heart out, but is he really a left winger?? Not sure for me??

Up front

Webber..... Nowhere near fully fit for me. Looked knackered after 45 minutes.

Gray......... Very average today, fair play he has scored a few in the last few weeks and has taken his chance but today wasn't his day. Lots of effort but spent more time moaning and being on the deck than running. His 1 on 1 effort could have cost us massively. Not sure why he threw a tantrum when he was taken off either???? He deserved to be taken off??

To summarize..... A stanley team of a few weeks ago would have folded under the pressure, so fair to them for getting back into the game. Yes we looked VERY average going forward BUT we are out of that losing habit and with no super long distance away games till January this really is our chance to make the move up the table.

On Stanley On

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jc .....jb......& dav007.....

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[QUOTE=DAV007;1082029][QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1082020]Have you checked the other half of your glass?

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It was certainly poor Fayre dished up yesterday by Stanley in patches but the main thing was we took something from the game which we did.

It is a work in progress but four weeks ago would anybody bar those who knew the players forseen us go on a five game unbeaten run?

There is more to come from the team and yesterday we had definite options from the bench with players coming back from suspension and injury which can only help strengthen the team on the pitch and push us further up the League.

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Nine points from five games is automatic promotion form!!,lots of options on the bench/squad,but I do agree that when you play 4-4-2 and your wide men are not on there game,it can be difficult

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Agree with most of that, RR, but Mingoia made several moves down the outside of his full back and got in some decent crosses or cut backs, as he did for Murph's winning goal at Morecambe. My main beef (of many) with Joyce is that when he receives the ball in an attacking position he invariably goes for a sideways pass instead of driving forward and committing defenders, giving the opposing defence time to organise. That, as well as being content to knock the ball anywhere when under pressure in midfield. However, I would never question the effort he always puts in, but we need more than that.

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Common sense from the Wycombe forum:-


"..a typical example of "put on your high-viz jacket and hang your brain on the peg till later". Trying to force people to sit at front of their 3 row "stand" in a monsoon because "that's the rules" was just silly and unnecessary"

Don't think standing at the back would have helped, though, as the monsoon was coming at them horizontally.

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redraine,
I hope the club realise that the stewarding goes along way to leaving an impression with an away fans experience and opinion of our club.

I am no fan of SOME of the stewards at our club, they make work for themselves looking for any excuse to show who is boss.
I use the word some as I do not know them all and I'm sure there must be some decent ones.

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Quite agree, Davo. Rarely being able to get to home games but I can confirm that club's stewards are the main impression for away fans. Fortunately, most are good humoured, Wycombe's being some of the most pleasant, but it only takes one to sour everyone's impression of a club. Cheltenham employ one in particular who looks like he's swallowed a wasp and seems downcast if he can't generate a bit of trouble.

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I will add to that what a great set of fans Wycombe have. Ive always enjoyed going away with their brilliant stewards, which put ours to shame really.

Also had a great natter with a couple of them in the Crown beforehand.

Im sure they will be in the top 8 come May.

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Agree,
Wycombe have the best stewards in league 2.
Always a good welcome and they leave you alone.

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I've also a soft spot (!) for the stewards at Dagenham. It sounds like it may touch a raw nerve from yesterday but I'll never forget the time we were stood behind the goal in horizontal rain and the Daggers' stewards invited us into the small covered stand for the second half. Of course it kept them out of the rain too, but it was a nice gesture that has stayed with me.

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With regards to stewards, think they need to speak to the management, I say this because I was informed by a club official that there are 3 rows of seats PLUS standing room at the rear and that the Whinney Hill away stand holds about 200. So any steward that told Wycombe fans to sit down, were, I am afraid, in the wrong!

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I think I have worked out what our current playing formation is......
It is the impressive Betinneli in goal with a square of eight outfield players with a big hole in the middle where two midfield players are clearly needed!
Every team we play seem to know how to exploit that big hole and attacks come straight down the middle of the field often from breakdowns after our own attacks, especially after free kicks and corners!
I am sure that JB is trying to get some bodies in for midfield. Peter Murphy for me has Stanley written through every part of his body like Blackpool rock but I honestly think that had he not scored another late goal that his rating would have been about 3 out of 10. Luke Joyce plays too deep and takes too much time deciding where he is going to pass the ball and hence often ends up passing it sideways or back. Creative enforcers needed urgently to fill the hole!
Defence looks good especially Aldred who would make a good caption for me. He is a "Captain Courageous" IMHO and would lead by example. Kayode is a must to start next match with Gray or Webber playing off him like Lutel James used to do off Paul Mullin years ago!
Anyway, confidence is better, we look like we are expecting to score goals and have a grand "never say die" attitude.
ON STANLEY ON:mosher: