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has signed a season long loan at AFC Fylde. Good luck to him there

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the Lancs telegraph quotes (((initially until January but there is an option to extend the deal)))

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It says a month's loan on both clubs' websites but Fylde's tweet mentions the option to extend. They seem very happy to have him;
News Story | A.F.C. Fylde

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Cannot understand this move for Marcus. Playing with Conference North level clubs then dropping down a league to the Evo Stik, doesn't make sense to me! Thought he would have been better sticking to Barrow or Halifax, or maybe John Coleman will come in for him in a months time[if he gets the Southport job].

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I also thought it was a strange one. Conference North or Conference surely would have been a better move as he has already proven he can bang them in at Evo Stik level.

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Perhaps he wants to be near sure of getting a game? gives 100% but does need to build his fitness level i think.

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Scored today on his debut well done young man

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Nice un Marcus,i reckon he will attain league standard,no doubt.:)

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scored 2 in second game last night.:) in cup game against Nelson.

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Fylde are in white. Go to 4:36 and 7:05 for Marcus's goals:
Vs AFC Fylde (A) 10 12 13 - YouTube

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Thanks :)

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struggling to see the point in Carver proving he can score at a lower level?

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That don't surprise me at all.:D

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looks like Marcus is going on loan to Barrow

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Wouldn't be surprised but where have you heard that? Cant see anything on fishy site yet

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And here's me thinking we signed Gornell because we're short on striking options ???:confused::rolleyes:

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Seems to me the lad aint been given a proper run in our side, obviously another whose face dont fit.:(

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Think the technical term is having a facial injury - there's been a few of them over the years :rolleyes:

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Don't know cashy, I'm not convinced he is good enough for league 2.

What you can't fault is his attitude and desire.

And he is certainly a better striker option instead of McGuire.

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I'm not certain meself Davo? but could understand another loan if he was in his teens, The lads 21 now, so to me it should be make or break, if he aint good enough fair dos release him, but give him a run to find that answer should have happened imho.

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Best option for him Cashy.
He needs to be playing to fulfill his potential and 21 is still no age.
Look at Kurtis Gutherie,dropped down a few leagues,worked his way back up and is probably ready for another pop at league football.
If he scores/plays well he will get another go,as strikers are in short supply.

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Agree with much of the above.
Don't believe Mr.Carver has been given a fair run to prove what he can do over more than one half of a game ( unlike, say, Messrs Crooks and McGuire) but, assuming he gets games, playing for a team that are doing well will probably be both more enjoyable and beneficial for him than getting cold on the bench.

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Have to disagree mate, The simple fact our manager has been playing lads who are not main strikers up front for the last couple of months, Carver could/should have been given a run, then if he dont come up too scratch then other options come into play, To me football19 yer defending the indefensible.;)We certainly couldn't have done any worse if he had been given a run of the last 4 games,

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Think we're at cross purposes cashy,not defending any teams selections,just what,in my opinion,is the best route for young Carver to make a career in football.
Look what it did to Tom,if you have got "it",sometimes you have to change direction to get there

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The best route now i would agree, But the point to me is simple, we should NOT be at this point,without the measures i stated before. Personally i think if Carver has to do it, it will be at another club.:(

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On loan till the end of the season to barrow

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I could see this coming , and I don't think you will be the only one going out on "loan" , there are a few others who have been denied games , it is a shame. You scored the winning goal to get us through to second round of FA cup and get dropped , not very encouraging is it. Anyway good luck Marcus hope all works out well for both you and Chelsea , will miss your friendly smile and wave.

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Good luck to Marcus - just been having a read of Barrow 's forum & they seem well chuffed to get him back & also surprised that we've let him go, there's no recall clause in the loan agreement apparently so if we get any injuries to our strikers we'll struggle - that clause says to me that we won't see the lad play here again & I would imagine he'll be released in the summer - damn shame if that happens but just pleased that at least he'll get to play instead of warming the bench or a seat in the stand at the Crown

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I can only echo what others have said on here, disappointed to see the lad "loaned" out and we've probably seen the last of the lad in the Stanley red.:(

He's not been given a fair crack of the whip here and I don't even think that we even started to tap into the lads potential.:(

Still the "messiah" knows best doesn't he......he must have some midfielder cum forward goalscoring wonder lined up....one who wins cup ties and knows where the net is ??:rolleyes:

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Hope he does well,as by all accounts he's a really nice lad.
But let's be realistic,there are loads of top under21s looking for league experience in the second half of the season,so let's wait until the loan window opens and hopefully Coley doesn't make the same mistake as Crookes.
The names I've heard are very exciting !!!!
Never mind,off to Plymouth now,not feeling confident tho :(

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Enjoy your day FA19 !!.... Any tactical information you wish to discuss ?...find me on 442433 !

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whether Carver deserved his chance or not he doesn't fit into our 'style' of play. Coleman looks to play balls into feet with the strikers back to goal, ball back to onrushing midfielders - Gornell fits that role, Gray/Carver don't. It's not hard to get your head round!

Chris Turner was a terrace favourite, old fashioned winger type but we didn't play with typical widemen, he couldn't adapt so didn't play and off he went.

Can't understand why we signed a winger though! :)

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Thats balls Rob, our style of play has just returned 5 defeats on the bounce, They say if its not broke, dont fix it!! Well its sodding well broke.:(

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Saying that Cashy,the preferred system got us four wins from five.
For me we are missing a bit of quality and when Jonno went so did that !!
Our front four yesterday, how many goals have they notched in the last ten games?,coincidence?,that's a big concern for me

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Exactly, the system is far from working now Johnnos gone, so needs changing imho. Look on Barrows sight, Carver is on loan, with "NO RELEASE" clause in the contract, That to me n the fact were so lightweight up front is a ruddy disgrace. We got NO dosh to buy a striker, were most unlikely in my view to get a decent un on loan, So it says to me what i have always thought, The Chosen one n his oppo have NO time fer Carver n the lads history.:mad:

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The system has to fit the players we have not the other way round. As Cashy says it worked when Jonno was there but now he isn't. After 5 defeats in a row can we afford to persist in the hope it will work again or do we try plan B if there is one.

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I understand what you're saying but these lads are pros and should be good enough to carry out/implement instructions,some of the on field decision making is poor.
We got in good situations yesterday and either took the wrong option or simply didn't lift their head up.
We did ok yesterday for large parts of game,but our final pass selection once again let us down
An example was windass(who had a good game),gets behind them, if he looks up,squares it, it a tap in for terry,but instead try's to score with his weaker foot from an acute angle and balloons it high and wide.
Little things like that are cost us,just a bit of composure in the final third is needed

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That particular ball was spinning like a top, in my view Shearer woulda been hard pushed to score.;)

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Absolute joke he has been allowed to go. Not a chance we will see him back in a red shirt unfortunately. I hope he fires Barrow into the conference.

Hardly got a kick and the likes of Maguire get chance after chance whilst not hitting a barn door.

And all because his face didn't fit. Disgrace.

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He didn't get a chance under beattie either.


Mainly because he isn't good enough on the limited evidence so far.

Further proven by the lack of league or conference clubs who have come in for him

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I wondered how long it would take fer yeh to blame Beattie.

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I'm not blaming beattie, I was making a fact based point.

Stop looking for division, we need to stay united

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A fact based point is Coleman has played non strikers up front n left strikers of our own out.:rolleyes:

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That's my point Cashy,head up and square it.
It's one of the first academy principles,look,take a picture and make the right decision.
Going back to young carver,I understand why we are still running with McGuire,he is a forward (not point tho),he scored 14 from 29 starts for Waterford (which got him noticed by west ham),so it's in his locker.
He's a under 21 international so the potential is there,he's just not brought it to the table for us.
I don't know why,sometimes it just doesn't happen,but a couple of goals/wins may change that.
Saying that he was out of sorts again yesterday when he came on and made some poor decisions (not the only one !!! )

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Fact we have lost two games due to the errors of Conneeley !!!

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So on those points Gray should be playing,top goal scorer under 21 international and far more experience than McGuire

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But with serious issues with his balance :(

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Different players,grey couldn't play behind the front man.
I like Grey,and he's technically as good as gornell,but he goes to ground too easily,which usually causes us to turn over possession.
If he changes his style a little,he would be a far better player.
He's very good in the air,which sometimes goes un-noticed

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Everyone i know can see that fact my friend, its the fact hes a young lad, but WHY oh WHY has it NOT been coached out of him? whilst we know some players are a bit thick, Stay on yer feet, a clown could understand i'm sure.

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Your far more diplomatic than me Cashy :)

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Let's put the record straight here Dav0 without distortion of the facts. Beattie did give young Carver a chance cos it was him that awarded the lad his present 12 month contract last summer. So a former prem and England striker felt he should stick with him, whilst the former non league striker now in charge virtually ignored him and in fact brought in loanees who then played out of position up front.
As for Carver showing nothing, I seem to remember it was his performance that got us through the tie with Notts County only to be dropped for the next game v Cambridge to make way for Crooks

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But was James Beattie in posession of his UEFA coaching badges at the time? This could be why the football genius doesn't rate young Carver, because he has the badges and knows best.:rolleyes:

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You seem to have the football genius sussed, Yerself, but I couldn't possibly comment ;)

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:) Although Marcus has gone out on loan with Barrow,Marcus is still training with stanley has Barrow are part timers.So Marcus still has time to impress and force his way back into JC's plans :) well lets hope so anyway.....

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In my opinion Marcus has more chance of being struck by lightening.

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You are in dreamland Mab unfortunately.

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[QUOTE=mab;1132641....Marcus still has time to impress and force his way back into JC's plans :) well lets hope so anyway.....[/QUOTE]

How can that happen, Mab, when there a specific 'no-recall' clause in Mr.Carver's loan to Barrow to the end of this season?
I can only hope Marcus wanted the move because, along with Mr.Hatfield, I otherwise think he's been treated somewhat shabbily.
Good luck to both of them, except when they up against Stanley! :eek:

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Well neither were born on the Mersey.:rolleyes:

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Nor have they played for Sligo! :o

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Barrow loan for Carver - Accrington Stanley FC Doesn't say owt on there about no recall if needed :p

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From Barrow's website:

Carver Returns
Posted on 6th February 2015 by Barrow
Barrow have signed Marcus Carver on loan from Accrington Stanley. Carver has signed a short loan which lasts for a maximum of 93 days and contains no recall clause.

News - Barrow AFC

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That stat saying he has played 21 times this season surprises me as it doesn't seem that many. I bet there weren't many starts, though. but plenty of token substitutions.

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Told yeh to read Barrows sight.:p

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:eek: ******!! Why would you have a clauses like that put in :confused:

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As someone once said in an advert...."Exackerly!".

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My guess would be so Barrow pay "All" his wages? But its still crazy to me.

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;)Only a few including the "paperwork fairy" know ALL the clauses;)

Good job shes paid in silver washers!!:)

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Thats true MrT, but the no recall is the important thing to fans.

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When they go on loan the club they have their registration with still pays all the wages. The club who loans the player pays the other club, and it can be a lot less or a lot more than the equivalent wages. For example the loan fee could cover the amortization of the player on the accounts, but as Stanley don't pay for players it won't factor.

Maybe it is making way for Shaun Wright-Phillips to move back up north?

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no its not.
your making a mountain out of a mole hill

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What would you know? yer hardly ever here to talk to people.:rolleyes: Our situation wi no cover that the manager will use, is hardly a mountain outa a molehill.

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That broke down on the way to Plymouth