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So people your thoughts on todays FA announcement that they want to introduce premier league B teams into their own B team league in between League 2 and the conference.

Absolutely ridiculous idea.

Yet again The Premier League being a law in their own right.

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I like the idea.
It would give conference clubs better access to promotion and bring more fans through the gates.
It also gives Stanley a financial safety net should they ever get relegates as it will take a good few years for the 10 premier league B teams to get promoted (rumoured to be 3 up, as opposed to the conference which is only 2 up).

I hope it goes ahead.


BTW, Smudgie, I think you have got it wrong.
It will be a 20 team league called league 3 made up of 10 B teams and the top 10 conference teams from the year prior to the league starting.
All have an equal chance of promotion or relegation up the league system with the B teams promotion capped at championship level.
The conference will continue albeit it will now be the 6th tier of English football.

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Not like you to disagree with everything I post!

We have the envy of the world in terms of our football pyramid, why change it!?

The only issue I agree with is the proper setting up of feeder clubs, I will happily have a youngster or two from Burnley or Blackburn!

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Do we need two threads on this daft idea?

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Stanley will benefit from this in the short, medium and long term.

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If premier league (or any other league) clubs need a B - league to keep their fringe players fit and competitive then let them do so. But it should have no relationship to the actual league (ie. no promotion to or relegation from any of the football leagues) every club in the football pyramid has earned their place there, it should not be devalued by clubs with an embarrassment of riches playing their second string team for match practice. It would make a mockery of cup competitions and further complicate the transfer market

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There are many reasons this is another daft idea from that bunch of muppets at the FA, but the fact that Davo thinks it would be good for Stanley is the clincher:rolleyes:.
The problem appears to be that the England team are useless, young players are not getting games, and the best way to resolve this is to destroy lower league football?
Why not just restrict the Premier league's global conglomerates to squads no bigger than 22? Why not take 10% of the money sloshing out of the TV and agent deals and build a 4G artificial pitch in every town and village in England? Why not vote UKiP and tell the Eu to stuff their employment laws.
So-called safeguards to develop English 'talent' will be easily by-passed by the big boys - a player from Timbouctou can be classed as 'home-grown' if he's spent 3 years in England. Even the idea of a team full of 18-20 year olds is laughable as a way of developing talent. Young players need to play with, not just against, older players to learn the tricks of the trade. Dyke is a media man, all he knows is TV and his one big idea in the past was Roland Rat. And you can be darned sure that if the Premier league businesses like the idea, it is good for them and no-one else.

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I was so close to agreeing with all this then you ruined it with "Why not vote UKiP "

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I think that if this system was in we would not have had the best keeper in league 2 on loan... Just my thoughts, why would Fulham loan him to us when they could play him in their B team......??

Maybe I have got it wrong?

:) :) :)

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See how the possible Conference fans view these absolutely shameful proposals.
Unanimity against, and I don't blame them. Download and view the document listed in one post if you feel like it but do join the online petition against, if , like me you don't give a toss about our overpaid, over-hyped so called elite players and clubs!

The beginning of the end? | Bulls Banter

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I have yet to hear the benefit of B teams over feeder clubs.

Want your youth players to get some experience in the lower leagues? Send them on loan to the lower leagues!

Parent club get their man some game time, the player gains experience and the lower league team gets some cheap labour!

Reckon we'd get more through the gates if fixtures didn't clash and half our squad were Rovers/Burnley's starting XI?

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John,
This isn't the place for political prejudices, yours or mine. I certainly am not suggesting you or anyone else votes one way or another.
The point I was seeking to make was that there are many possible responses to the FA's claim that too many 'English' players are being squeezed out of squads by 'foreigners', some of which, depending on your view, are as daft as Greg Dyke's efforts.

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Just seen an ASFC response on Sky Sports News. "At last we can achieve our dream. Playing Stoke City reserves away". Superb!

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From Twitter, apparently. Getting a lot of praise on F.L. forums!

Accrington Stanley ✔ @ASFCofficial
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"To increase the number of English players in the top flight we're going to launch a B team & apply to join the Premier League

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Get signed up!

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petition...-b-teams#share

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It's the biggest load of rubbish I have heard in a long time.
Basically the premier league can't produce a production line of players for the national team,so they will try and destroy the football leagues make up to try another avenue.
They set up football academies,then under17 /19 league,then back to under18s,then under 21s ep leagues.
I have seen it all,first hand !!,but IMHO exile nails it.
Spend the money on playing surfaces ie,all league clubs have to have bowling green tops,same goes for all schools,minimum 4g facilities.
That's were the money should be going,not 60 million pound parachute payments for clubs who get relegated.

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From the man with the most understanding of this, that is a great post ;)

:) :) :)

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Chances are Fulham wouldn't have a B team, at least not for the forseable future as the B teams will only be granted to the clubs who have finished in the top 10 on average over the past 10 years provided they want one.

As the current top 10 over the past 10 years have all expressed an interest, then there is a long, long wait for the likes of Fulham if indeed Fulham want a B team.

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Precisely, Davo, which is why this is the daftest idea since....er...the last big idea from the FA.
Just imagine, the ten richest Premier league clubs set up their B teams and after a few years, they all occupy the top ten places in League 1. Oh, but hang on, they can't be promoted. So they stay, sitting on top of all the 'little' clubs keeping them in their rightful place.
As one of the Hereford fans suggested, the next step would no relegation from the Premier League (ooh, just like America, it must be a good idea).
As has been said before, they're called the FA because that's how much they care about football clubs and fans. They've done their best to devalue the FA Cup by trying to screw as much money as they can out of it, like playing semi- finals at Wembley, and now they're trying to ruin the League.

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Bring back the centrol league 1 n 2 of old and leave the football league alone. :(

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Well worth a read


An Open Letter to Mr Greg Dyke, Chairman of the FA | Amber Planet

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Done

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Please can you explain exactly how Stanley, or any lower league team for that matter could possibly benefit from these daft plans if they are put into place?

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They won't help Stanley, but will be another 10 or so teams that need a new manager which Davo can tout Coley & Bavo for....... :D

Hold on a minute - DAVO ? BAVO ?

Is that you Ian ? :eek:

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Talk is of a 20 million "sweetener" to buy off resistance by the div1&2 clubs to compensate for destroying the integrity of the football league structure. "Money doesn't talk,it swears".

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I think congratulations should go to whoever at the club tweeted the responses to this ridiculous idea. Not only did it sum up the views of lower league clubs but brought valuable publicity to Stanley at the same time. Well done! :)

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5000+ tweets :D

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Don't you know every member of the ASFC media team??

There's Dan, Dany, and the students who applied for the highly paid positions!!:rolleyes:

I'm mean Daggers on a Tuesday night then breakfast for Lancs the next day = no sleep and commitment!!:)

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If Greg Dyke and the I,m alright Jack society get their way. I can envisage within 10 years of implementation the league structure looking like this
(1) Premier.
(2) Championship.
(3) League 1 (80% Reserve squads).
(4) League 2.
how hard is it going to be to stay up then I wonder

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Keep the faith; in 10 years time we'll be "hard core" Championship!! We'll be the kings of engaging fans, low prices and terracing!!

That will mess up the FA's plans when ASFC want the Ultras to be OUR 'B" team. KO 11am on Sunday's at Wilsons!!:rolleyes:

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The club has turned the ultras into its own version of B fans by doing its best to destroy the group

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Wow, just Wow, I have read many threads o this site and thought you have perhaps had a rough ride. It turns out after all, that you are a complete bell ringer.

Stanley will benefit???????? Not one single team below half way in The Championship will benefit. This is all about strengthening the Premier League at the expense of the lower leagues and completely disregarding the non league pyramid system.

If Dykes proposals succeed, the likes of Accy Stanley, Fleetwood, AFC Wimbledon, etc coming through the pyramid to the Football League will be gone forever.

If this is what you perceive as a good idea, you are from a different planet to the rest of the football supporting public of this country.

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Welcome to the club, Larry. I think no-one, other than Davo, perhaps, and even then I do wonder:rolleyes:, will argue with your observations.
The only unknown is just which planet Davo is actually living on.

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Apart from Dyke and Davo, not heard one person with a good word to say about it!

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theres going to be a debate on greg dykes proposals next week on radio Lancashire .. next Wednesday between 6 and 7pm on their football show. should be interesting .....

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Even the Premier League's Chief Executive doesn't support it!
BBC Sport - Premier League: 'B league could wreck English pyramid'

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On another note, how is your lad? :)

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And so the rich get richer...plus the likes of the scum,man city,Arsenal, liverpool etc will be now looking for the loophole so as the can play their first team bench warmers and their returning from injury stars in the B team......... it stinks.......as said before the sweet FA should be looking at spreading the dosh from sky etc round more evenly instead of pandering to the big six all the time !!!

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Cracking post and spot on

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I would suggest it's the Blatter syndrome. Those at the top lining their back pockets in return for favours with major corporate spenders.

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I've just watched him play........Rugby League for Bamber Bridge !!! He's given football a wide berth since leaving Ross County in Scotland and then being shafted by AFC Barrow.

He's spent the last 6-12 months doing personal fitness courses and is now working as a personal fitness trainer at the DW sports Centre in Preston.

He started training with his younger brother at Bamber Bridge Rugby league Club, seemed to enjoy it and it appears he's quite good at it. So he started playing for them. Personally, i can't stand the game.

Thanks for asking.

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That's a turn up Al !,I was the same age when I swapped codes,Pm when there next playing, would love to watch them.
Your younger lad looked a real tough un ! Lol, ps - can you get my lad a game :)

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The club have released four...I've just rung Beatts and asked him to include DAV!!!

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Suprised to hear that, but as long as he is happy. You'll have to comeback and watch Stanley then now ;) :) Sure F19 will find you a seat :) :) :)

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My views;
1) Ask the 10 or 12 Conference clubs if they would be happy to ALL be "relegated" in one sweep down to a new 6th tier of football!...... I am sure that the response would be almost unprintable. I think that Conference clubs have the most difficult job in English football.....being on the cusp of full time management can make or break a club.......eg Hereford? The clubs in the Conference have worked hard, often against great odds, to get where they are!
2) All players want to play "First Team Football" and I know that if I was still playing I would rather play against Morecambe's first team than against Norwich B team!
3) The demise of quality English players has been the result of a range of causes....;
a) The increase in players from abroad taking places in our leagues particularly at higher levels.
b) The reduction in the number of Englishmen actually playing the game at 'grass roots' level.......When I played local football 40+ years ago the Accy Combination had 5 divisions of 20 teams...now I think that there are only 2 divisions of 12 teams! This is backed up by my observations of the state of the local pitches when I am out walking my daughters dogs. The pitches now are full of grass and are used much less...whilst 40 years ago the pitches were worn out early in the season from being massively used.
c) The rest of the world caught up with English and European football at least 30, 40+ years ago.
d) Kids, (and adults too), have many more options of hobbies and sports to pursue these days which are a much 'softer' and easier option than running about like a madman on a cold, wet Saturday afternoon in mid winter!

The pyramid system in my view works well in general, and it certainly did for us, as without it we would not have got back into the Football League.

ON STANLEY ON (against proper 'First teams')

ps. would 'B' teams be entered in the FA Cup? .......Man City v Man City 'B' Team, (not impossible), simply would not interest me!

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B Teams would NOT be eligible for any domestic cup competitions.... according to the report.

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Reading some of today's papers, it is suggested in one of them that the basic problem is that young (16-19 years old) 'English' players don't get to play competitive football if they are contracted to a Premiership club.
Given that the global conglomerate businesses, otherwise known as the Premier League big boys, will not stop signing foreign stars (even when the only reason is to sell product in foreign parts) why not just prohibit any Premier League club from having such young players on their books. All those unused kids swanning around the Premier Leagues, and not playing competitive games, may then be available for the teams in the Football Leagues and would get some game time. They might learn something from their team mates about football, other than how to negotiate image-rights.
Surely this idea is daft enough for the FA to take seriously?

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I cant see a legitimate reason why they can't just have a shadow league for the reserves of each team. Whichever league the 1st team is in, the reserves should be in the same. The games should kick off on the same day as the 1st team, at the same venue, either before or after the main event. Maybe that would provide a value for money addition to the main game and many supporters may stay on for it. All problems solved.

In the event of teams in the main league being deadlocked on points the reserves position could be utilised