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If the poor Japanese ref had done his duty and sent off Neymar for his attack on Modric he wouldn't have got out of Brasil alive. That still doesn't excuse his disallowing the 2nd Croatia goal though. I can't bear listening to Andy Townsend's incessant drivel on ITV but have found the best plan is to listen to the very good commentary on Radio 5 live instead. The added bonus is that the commentary is 5 seconds or so in advance of the TV pictures!

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.... or giving the Brazil penalty come to that!

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I think Fred disgustingly conned him into that. From where he was it would look like Fred was dragged back vigorously, where it actually was the touch of a fly felling a 15 stone bloke!

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Does anyone really expect anything else than an exhibition of cheating, incompetence, and hype from something organised by FIFA.

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Holland just be the crap out Spain....SHOCKED!:eek:

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Fantastic counter attacking by Robben and co. Lets hope Roy unleashes Raheem Sterling tonight and has a real go at Italy.

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Why? The Dutch are always there or thereabouts Tom, good players & loads of passion, I'd rate them to do rather well in the competition. :)

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Buffon's out that's good for England, seen as he's one of the best goalies in the world. I think England will just about win based on our faster and younger squad. We should beat Costa Rica. Uruguay will be tough because of who they have in attack Suarez, Cavani and Forlan. We should qualify though without too much trouble. Though England aren't gonna win we are just not at the same level as Brazil, Argentina, Holland and Germany. I think we can get to the quarter-finals if we avoid the big teams.

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I think Argentina will win the world cup.

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Don't rule Spain out,should have been 2-0 up before holland scored.

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Spain, who i fancied, couldn't have scored in a brothel the other night.

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Makes life interesting now that Costa Rica have just beaten Uruguay. Maybe, just maybe England might not need that early flight home.

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roy hodgson post match interview on the BBC website revealed he is out of his depth, the guy has been a failure as england manager and should be sacked now to give the team the best chance of qualifying.

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would ashley cole have cut the cross out for the second goal,

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We suppose you want Coley for the job as he's available?

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What like when you were shouting for Beatties head?

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See,all the clowns aint in the circus.:rolleyes:

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On another day England would have at least drawn and probably won against Italy. Decent performance in general, still think we will get out of the group.

The fact is the greedy clowns at the FA have probably killed our game for the next few generations and we can only produce average international players not world class ones.

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Wayne Rooney must be the most overpaid player in the world, if not the most overpaid man in the world.

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Anyone else would have cut that cross out, how do you mark someone standing five feet IN FRONT of him? Who is the weakest link?

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Sorry DAV0, I didn't see the interview so can't comment on that but I think Hodgson has done a good job getting this team together except for Cahill who isn't good enough, the rest, experience and youth with a good blend and players who want to do well and have lots of desire. If we don't get through at least it looks like we are going to give it one heck of a shot.

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I think England played as well as they could, so no complaints from me. But let's not kid ourselves that we were unlucky. Italy hit the post, hit the bar and had a shot cleared off the line. And they stopped attacking in the last 25 minutes as they sat back and let England blow ourselves out.
Costa Rica beating Uruguay has set the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons. They looked a decent side and England's 3rd game will be no gimmee. Uruguay, on the other hand, had one of their flaky days v Costa Rica, let's hope they have another one.

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Sometimes, if the commentary or analysis is peeing me off, I turn the sound off. I've been watching football ... and soccer;) ... for over 60 years. I know what's going on; I don't need some moron telling me.

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Think you are being a little hard on him. The lads played well, not long after a long hard season, and being made to play in the middle of the goddam jungle. I was impressed by the young players. Raheem Sterling ... 19 years old; and he doesn't look out of place at this level.:dancedog: If Hodgson sticks with youth, England will probably not win the World Cup; but watch out for them at the Euros, and in the next World's. And for those favoring Argentina: England were more impressive in defeat than Argentina were in victory.

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You've made the easy mistake of taking one of DAV007's posts seriously :D

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What a wonderful performance by Chile last night. Incredible ball control in tight situations, lightening quick breaks and non stop pressing in every part of the pitch to worry the life out of the Spaniards.
No going down with cramp after 60 minutes for those guys!
It's time for Rooney, if he plays, to remember how he used to play for Everton and for Gerrard to become, for one night, the box to box dynamo he used to be and forget the strolling around at the back, failing to close down attackers and just humping Hollywood passes around, most of which go beyond our forwards.
Come on England!

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anyone still daft enough to defend Roy?

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Well you should know,about being daft enough.:D

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It's not Roy who can't pass and control the ball under pressure, read the game or play with any real passion. Our players just don't have it between the ears.

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You mean he left behind a squad full of world beaters for that lot ?

Or could it just be the system is so screwed by the money men we will never have world beaters again ?

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Too true, this is why we watch Stanley.... Never be world beaters, but at least they play with honesty & passion,& provide enjoyment for their fans.
I stopped being interested in our national team about the same time that Sky started to call the tune, & players were suddenly millionaires.

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Again? They weren't world beaters in '66, they raised their game a bit given home advantage and won against the odds. Remember how everybody laughed at Ramsey when he said we could win it then? Ever since, for some reason we've seemed to expect to do it again, against even bigger odds.

Not that I don't agree the system is screwed - if the best English players can't get regular games for their clubs on Saturday, how can we expect them to compete at world level?

And Hodgson certainly didn't leave a bunch of world beaters behind who would have made the difference. A couple of lucky bounces might have ....

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We all saw in the build up to the World Cup, that in the friendlies against West Germany, and in particular Chile, that the potential squad were nowhere near good enough to compete with any success in Brazil !...which has sadly been proven to be true.
Can I suggest that the FA did choose the wrong Manager for this task ?....To my eyes the shortcomings and weaknesses so clearly on view against Uruguay were just as apparent in the squad long before Roy Hodgson took over, and little or no progress has been made under his direction. The FA, in the shape of that well-known soccer guru Greg Dyke, suggested yesterday that not only was Woy the man to lead us into the next European Championships...
BUT that England would win the same !....odd thing to say ??.
A potential hat trick of wins for Costa Rica could well change the apparent 'We love Roy' attitudes of the faceless ones at the FA ....if so, maybe Davo or one or more of his fans might be able to suggest who should be the next England Manager !.....Alfred.E. says Gary Neville !.
But he knows less than Greg Dyke !..
ANY SUGGESTIONS ??.

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Personally i would leave well alone,I accept the fact we have NO world class players at the moment, what i have seen is some young lads wi potential, if that will be fullfilled remains to to be seen, nobody could make us into world beaters at this point, its the owd saying "Yeh can't polish a turd";) Far as i'm concerned the guy had the balls to ship the owd has beens, never won sod all out n try youth.

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Thinking back,the popular choice before Hodgson was appointed was Rednapp, The guy couldn't get automatic promotion wi QPR after spending millions!! so why change.?

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C'mon, Davo, the suspense of waiting for your response is killing me.
You know who it should be, and he's available.!
First name = John.....second name...C*****n.

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Sorry exile, I do not think I know who you are talking about ;) :) :)

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My carefully thought out lengthy just post lost in the ether. Sufficient to say dire - the worst performance of the 3. R.I.P. England.

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Not in my opinion mate.:)

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How come, then, the England players were unable to replicate their Prem skills against a team from clubs unknown on the world stage, who had them in their pockets while playing at half pace.. Surely they shouldn't have been better at that than the Prem League superstar defenders?
Five live's commentators told it as it was, crap, unlike Adrian Child's ITV panellists who desperately tried to find some positives from the shambles, as did Roy.

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I didn't, and won't watch England's latest game but listened to it on 5Live too. And for once I heard an 'expert summariser' (Mills, I believe) say what, to me has been one of England's problems for many years. With one or two exceptions, few players seem to want the ball. When an England player has the ball he's lucky to have one option for a pass. Usually sideways or backwards. At their best, teams like Spain and Germany always seem to have a minimum of two players looking to receive the ball, sometimes three. I don't know whether it's fear of being seen to fail, or the inner knowledge that, despite all the money and media-hype, they are just not that good, but too many players in a white shirt don't seem willing to help out team mates. You occasionally see it in League 2 but you don't expect to see the nation's 'best' players passing the ball to their nearest team member, and then stop running into space to be available for a return.
We have a media that is world class in creating hype, and raising expectations beyond what is reasonable from the evidence before our eyes, but a second or even third rate team. Maybe it's the former that's the real problem.

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I take little notice of the hype n bull, imho trying out young uns wi potential was the only way to go, oer long time pros that have never looked like winning sod all fer england, ok yeh need to play a couple, to encourage the young uns, we were never gonna get near winning this world cup n all but a cretin would know that,;)

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But a cretin would also know that unless last night's team had bothered to come out with a passionate rendition of the national anthem, determination to attack fluently and give the players in possession options to advance as a unit instead of firing hopeful balls in the general direction of isolated colleagues, then they were hardly likely to do justice to the 3 Lions on the shirt, never mind give the magnificent English support at Belo Horizontale something to be really proud of. This squad couldn't hold a candle even to our post 1966, much derided teams featuring such heroes as Moore, Banks, Gazza, Linaker, Shearer, and many others.
Italy's manager has resigned. I'm beginning to think Roy should do the same.

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Well I thoroughly enjoyed our last game , I thought Lampard involved the younger ones as much as possible . These lads are our hope for the future . We were the better team. Costa Rica were the favourites to win the game and we kept them at bay, we may not have won , but we didn't lose. I thought the game went downhill when Mickey oops, I mean Wayne Rooney came on.

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I think that is quite difficult to sum up England's performance in the recent group stages and we should not be too harsh on Roy and the squad. When we consider that Spain and Italy have also 'failed' at the World Cup then perhaps we are in quite good company. I said to friends at the start of the World Cup that there was not much between all 32 teams and I believe that this is backed up by 'established'teams struggling and failing to qualify against the likes of Equador, Costa Rica, etc
If we'd had a little bit of that ....'luck'.....say another Sturridge goal?......Rooney's header going in? ......then we might have been looking forward to the first knockout round in the belief that we had a chance of getting to the semi finals? Who knows?
I think Roy's biggest error was not going entirely with the younger lads in the first match. Many will disagree with me but I watched our Captain, Steve Gerrard, and he was well off the pace right from the start of the first match. After only 55 minutes he was totally wracked with cramp and should have been subbed. In the closing stages he was limping around unable to get anywhere near his opponents. I really felt for him and I could see that he was suffering both physically and mentally.
Steve Gerrard has been a wonderful player and captain for England over the years but I honestly think that this was one competition too much for him. Frank Lampard would have very likely suffered the same had he played in that first match. Although in the third match he did reasonably ok. I did not see the second match but by all accounts England played even worse than in the first.
I agree with others when they say that we have limited resources what with our Premier League being over run with players from abroad. Well, we have to live with this and make the best of what we have got.......just like we here at Stanley have to do. We have to continue with 'realistic expectations' for every new season and I think we have to think this way regarding England too.
For me there is no real reason to sack Roy after they get home. He is a sound manager and should be given full support. If we did sack him, then who would replace him?
I am just trying to be positive as usual!!!

COME ON STANLEY:mosher:
COME ON ENGLAND:mosher:

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Jose Mourinho would jump at it and lick 'em into shape, get them playing tactically and to believe in themselves. Southampton reportedly wanting 30 million for Shaw shows the essence of our problems - on yesterday's display I'd rather have Lids!

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Costa Coffee woulda' beat em' last night never mind a draw with Costa Rica.

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Barman, a double, please, of whatever Greeny was drinking last night.;)

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In a similar vein, surely Choirboy, mate, you have set off early this year on your annual sojourn in France and have over-indulged on the boxes of "vin"? How can you possibly take any positives from this?
ENGLAND'S RECORD OF WORLD CUP WOES
England's tally of just one point is their lowest ever in a World Cup group stage
England lost their opening two World Cup games for the first time ever
England have not been eliminated at the group stage since 1958
England failed to win a game at a World Cup for the first time since 1958
Two goals is the lowest tally for England at a World Cup since their tournament debut in 1950
England have not conceded four goals in the group stage since 1958
England failed to win either of their World Cup warm-up games for the first time since 2002
Uruguay's win over England was their first against a European side in 16 tries - a run dating back to 1970
England have drawn more games 0-0 at World Cups than any other nation, with 11.
Gary Cahill and Phil Jagielka had never lost in 13 outings when playing together before the tournament
England's shot conversion rate of 6.06 per cent is the worst of any side with two or more goals at this year's World Cup
England have scored only five goals in their last eight World Cup games. They last scored more than twice back in 2002 vs Denmark
England have still only come from behind to win two games at the World Cup (the 1966 final and in 1990 vs Cameroon, both in extra-time)
Roy Hodgson has won none of his last five games at World Cups
Frank Lampard has hit 40 shots at World Cups without scoring, more than any other player (1966-2014)
England used 21 players at this World Cup (Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Fraser Forster were the only two to miss out) - they had never used more than 19 before

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I really didn't need to know any of that. Why do some people love wallowing in misery at every opportunity?

Take the positives - we don't have to bite our nails any more now until 9 August :D

Always look on the bright side of life, di dum, di diddly dum dum ....

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Hear Hear Chimer

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On the contrary, dear ding dong one, far from wallowing in misery I feel a great release from the anxiety of having to watch any more stumbling England performances. Instead, we can all enjoy the remaining superstars diving, cheating and eating each other for dinner
. Ooops, there I go again!:)

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A question for you. Which player in this World Cup has played at the Crown Ground?

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Easy, Kevin Mourales (Everton & Belgium) pre-season friendly 2013)

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Yes but i was thinking of someone else.;)

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Tim Krul, boom!!!

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Fellaini too (probably not spelt right?)

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Correct! He played for Newcastle against us in the league cup the other year. Love the bit where they're either either criticising or calling it a genius move from the Dutch manager for his goalie substitution near the end of extra time. John Coleman did this when we played Bournemouth in the FA Cup in 2003 FA Cup 2nd Round Replay: Accrington Stanley 0 Bournemouth 0 (aet, Stanley win 5-3 on pens) - Accrington Observer when he brought off Jamie Spears and replaced him with Jon Kennedy!

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...and again at Watford in 2006 when Robbie Elliot replaced Bavs.

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But, unfortunately, not with the same effect. But what a night that was at Watford, with the Ultras at their vocal best.

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Reply to Redraine.
Mike, I am just trying to be positive as I always try to be.
Like when Stanley were bottom of the league early last season when everybody had written us off! I was still being positive remember!?
On Stanley On...positively.
On England On....positively.

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Good luck with the second one, then mate!

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Not quite everyone Choirboy,I was interviewed on radio Oxford before our first game against them and predicted we would get at least 12 points from our next six games and finish mid table plus...the rest is history