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Turnstiles to be cashless, but you can't pay for season ticket by card. Cash or cheque only!

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The irony eh? :rolleyes:

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The implication on another thread was that you can't trust the turnstile people!

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Implications are as bad as rumours - they are a breeding ground for over active imaginations!

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Exactly, and I would hate to think that is the way the club is going but that's what two posts implied as a reason for cashless entry on the closed website down thread.

If I worked on the turnstiles and heard that then they would be looking for someone else.

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As I understood the situation you can pay for your ticket at a ticket booth with cash hence the jibes at super MD who says you can't pay at the turnstiles but you can at the booth. I am afraid all these ideas are suited to a club with a big fan base, Accrington are still a small club, we are doing well but with our fan base we need every single person through the gate even at concession prices.

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There could be a number of reasons for introducing this system.

Slightly related, do the Clayton End turnstiles still shut marginally before kick-off? Will outside ticket sales go on beyond kick-off time like very other club in the country?

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So is the club building a larger and more customer friendly ticket office that can cater for more than two people at a time and recruiting a few more folk to help the people who already handle the ticket office ???:confused::confused::confused:

The queues at that window drove me mad in the past waiting to collect pre-ordered tickets...Sorry to put it bluntly....but how the hell will this move encourage folk to get on to watch Stanley ????:confused::confused::confused:

If Mr Holt is half the businessman he's cracked up to be then surely he'd see this as counter productive ??? Absolutely bonkers move by the club !!!:mad:

Any successful business will not put barriers in the way of a customer....this is yet another....:mad:

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Those who are backing this idiotic scheme, have probably never queued for a ticket (like Me) its good to have someone who has and hear the real truth.

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I'll attempt to answer some of the questions.

Currently ASFC are one of the few clubs that have operated cash on the turnstiles. At Oxford last week over 100 of you bought your ticket from a ticket office prior to entering the ground.(didn't spot any complaints with that!!) We took 140 to Carlisle and pre-sold only 60 tickets.

There will be 2 ticket booths, one for away fans and an additional one on the sportsbar carpark; plus the ticket office will be open from 12 noon.

We can't take credit/debit cards for season tickets as the bank won't release the money to the club until ALL fixtues for the season have been completed, in case the club folds!! (as the bank would be liable to refund the customer) This would mean that the club wouldn't receive a penny until May 17. The alternative is the club provides a "bond" of around £80k. I know Andy Holt is trying to get this changed.

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Thanks Mr.T. as you say most club's are cashless turnstiles now it would be interesting to hear how say Northampton are copeing at the moment being top spot new regime and full house's last 2 or 3 home games not all season ticket holders I,ll bet wonder if they have had any problems.

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Northampton have 3 ticket points and that has caused confusion as I never know where to leave stuff!!! I can ask collegues down there; but in the main they've not a lot to sell to home fans who arrive on the day as one stand isn't finished and one is for away fans.

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I remember a few games when we where back in the league playing sides with a sizeable following and getting +2300 gates when there was a gueue for the Clayton end at about 2-45 right into the Crown car park season ticket holders had to be in the same queue for whatever reason the old regime had in their wisdom only opened 1turnstile and I remember people turning away and other,s on the ground who were up to 15 minutes late getting on vowing they would never return and they probably have,nt and in the main probably never will.

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[QUOTE=Mr T;1162170]I'll attempt to answer some of the questions.

Currently ASFC are one of the few clubs that have operated cash on the turnstiles.


one of the reasons I don,t do to many non Stanley home games anymore. having to trail around to find a ticket office after finding somewhere to park which is usually miles away thanks to resident only parking restrictions plus I refuse to pay 5 quid upwards to park in a car park at a ground. I know the crown is different but if we loose 1 person due to it its wrong. deffo wont increase gates.

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It will be interesting to see what form the 'season tickets' are next year. A book as this years are or plastic card (like a credit/debit card). This will in turn mean someone standing outside the ground taking the ST number and having a dedicated ST gate (like a few years back) or electronic swipe card equipment to allow access. I await with bated breath.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1162180]Only time I,ve missed a kick off his a few seasons back at Chesterfield on a Tuesday night when the coach driver took a wrong turn and we ended up going through Sheffield missed about 5 minutes if my memory is correct.

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The thing about the fact it was called tinpot is simple really, we had people that had no experience of a professional club,but at least they thought of the fans as best they could, When the season ticket concession status was changed from 60 to 65, those who "Already" had one and were under 65 were allowed to continue as such,due to the fact they already had them, It would have saved much aggro and upset if this latest thing had been given the same allowance, not rocket science, But no, ignorance and NO thought for long standing fans was applied, by a guy who is supposed to be a professional I find that rather pathetic.:rolleyes:

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We do have a dedicated season ticket gate already for the main stand,I don't know about the Clayton end .

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So the argument is won because a hundred odd fans who would probably go regardless didn't complain.

How many of those were the casual fans from accy we are trying to attract?

I hope the business plan isn't just based on that. Existing fans may go along with it but the club can't exist we have been told on current gates so this is the innovative thinking you have come up with.

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A lot of this debate seems to be all about the cost of watching live football (I said a lot, Chrisr, I'm not talking about personal charms or otherwise about individuals).
Some are seemingly deciding not to buy another season ticket because, I presume, the existing arrangements are not considered affordable to them. Folk want concessions, lower entry prices, special deals, free parking....don't we all.

But Stanley is bottom-feeding deep in a business swamp that, on its sunlight surface, bask global sharks that are taking the economies of the game to, what I believe, are ridiculous levels. Occasionally, the odd soggy crumb is allowed to fall down from on high to keep the bottom feeders (barely) alive.

Like it or not, Stanley are in the same business as Real Manchuventas Inc. and, just like a corner shop is affected directly by how the likes of Tesco and Walmart run their business, so are Stanley having to survive in an industry whose finances are being manipulated by extremely powerful and greedy corporations.

And they have cemented that control, to a large part, by people sitting on their sofas to watch the game on telly. Very, very many of those people regard themselves as true 'fans' but they too never go to a live game and don't buy season tickets. They perhaps used to, but, because it's £20 to get, or raining, or a fag to park, they now watch telly and financially support Big Business FC.

I don't know if the current pricing structure at Stanley is right, fair, or daft. It just is. Like I said, wouldn't we all like a cheaper world but, of course, with no reduction in our wages/pensions/benefits.

So, if you have to find someone to blame for it all, why not blame all those 'fans' who never go to a live game. They are the ones who are really setting the exorbitant cost of football for real supporters.

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Football clubs need fans more than fans need football clubs these days. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. Times have changed and if you think blaming others will help then good luck with that.

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People that are saying we should just be happy that adults are paying concession price is better than no money at all!, Absolute nonsense!...That's like you being a shopkeeper and saying it's better to sell a Mars Bar at 50% less than normal price than not at all, You're soon going to be out of business!

People are shooting down an idea before it's even been tested, Why not If after a few games you think it's not working then say something?

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Its not about cost, as chrisr has already said, its about treatment of long standing fans, a principal the idiots cant seem to grasp.:rolleyes:

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Like I said in another post whoever was in charge at Stanley even if it was the richest person on earth and charged a pound to get in there is somebody and not just at Stanley who like watching them fail and then they move on to the next.

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And if nobody wants Mars bars or goes to another shop that treats them better what happens then? All these examples only work if people want the product.

Currently not a lot in the grand scheme of things want ours based on attendances

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Right on the money, the club is only actually losing out if we have a full house for every match and that concessionary seat could've been offered to a full price paying spectator.

But it's about more than just profit and loss. It's about doing the decent thing for dedicated supporters and, yes, there's a little bit of self-interest in it, as it's good for the image of Stanley.

It strikes me that knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing is rapidly becoming the philosophy of the club.

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Are fans just another number on a spreadsheet now? Are we meant to just turn up and be thankful for the privilege? Good luck with that one.

Some fans will come whatever. You could treat them like dirt but they will come back and ask for more because "they just want to watch the team". Those are the kind clubs love but when it all goes wrong some won't notice until the gates are locked.

Personally the prices don't particulary bother me I can afford it if I chose to. The thing is will I and others continue to choose to? There are plenty of other things I can do on a Saturday just like many others and if you can't keep the fans who did care what chance of attracting new fans who don't?

I don't mind change when it's for the better but I usually have to deal with impact assessments for change at work. Presumably this new admin focussed board have done one for these changes and if so why not post it on the official site in the interests of transparency? If it looks good I might even post on the positive things thread.

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The people on here attempting to deliberately misread what my reasons for my stance against the new MD is, Let me make this clear. I have followed the club home and away since the 90s, Due to ill health I was unable to attend for quite a while. However when I was able to attend I bought a season ticket and was happy all round, yes the price was a bit cheaper but that was never the consideration, What has changed. well the withdrawal of the concession in such a high handed arrogant manner by a man who seems by his actions to have been promoted beyond his capabilities. He has no customer skills, I have not seen anything about consulting the affected fans on this issue or the flexi ticket issue. The £40 difference is not a problem for me personally. But we do nothing for injured and disabled service people either (Officially) as there is no option on the site to cover this. My point is the man appointed as MD is a bully, he is a law unto himself and I won't back down. I know in the correspondence I have had with him he couldn't care less about the real fans, I was a little taken aback at the paper notices telling people that from 21st Feb that cash will not be taken at the turnstiles. This man seems to trawl other clubs websites and pinches their ideas but has no idea how to implement them professionally. I don't know what the position is with Rob Heys but he knew the club and the fans, When the decision to sort out the pricing of tickets for the coming season the main person who knows all the ins and outs was not present. At the OASSC meeting where he was introduced there were noticeable people missing. We listened to a brief resume from the MD, he is associated with Clitheroe FC, which has not progressed very far over the last few years so I was not impressed with that, He then revealed he was the chairman of the Lancashire FA, which I admit to not knowing much about, A few ideas were thrown about in general with no real discussion and then the actions were taken. I back Andy Holt 100% for what he has done for the club and I expected him to appoint someone to run the day to day affairs of the club. I have to say judging by Andy's response to the Rangers dispute about our two players showed the whole football world his knowledge of the football business was limited. I think he should have had independent advice about appointing a new MD. But until this man is either educated in customer service or resigns I fear his behaviour will disenfranchise fans, Football is not a business like a manufacturing or ground work which works on volume or price work, So for me it is a principle and people may say that it is cutting off your nose to spite your face, but should a club put fans in this position for a meagre sum. this is the intransigence of the MD, Stanley is a club that has always looked out for the sick, Disabled, and unemployed. we should never turn our back on them.

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I agree with you Chris. Money isn't the objection for me either but sometimes in the modern world principles are a forgotten concept.

Other clubs have tried and failed in the past Darlington, Maidstone, Gretna, Halifax, Scarborough and as for Gateshead, they have had more reincarnations than Dracula.

Modern football is dog eat dog and a shiny new stadium is no good when it lies empty so if things don't make sense it's often because something isn't right.

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Change, change, change, change.....where will it all end? Nobody likes it, except of course the change that's happened on the pitch this season.

Well, we will only know in a couple of seasons if the changes happening off the field of play will have had a positive effect....🤔....let's hope so....😁

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A lot of clubs issue you a ticket at the cash turnstile, I thought this was more the norm?

Sticking up for the MD he could argue that all adult £199 tickets are concession prices. The season ticket prices did come down quite a bit in 2103 didn't they? There are people with disabilities with very high paid jobs and they still can get DLA/PIPs as they are not means tested. A blanket reduction for someone with a disability makes no sense, but if visually impaired there would be logic for obvious reasons.

Equating the 'sick, disabled and unemployed' could offend some people.

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How many times does it need saying before it actually sinks in? its sod all to do with money.:rolleyes: baldys agreeing with yeh speaks volumes about anything sinking in.

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Of course it's to do with money. If the price hadn't changed nobody would have said anything, if everyone was let in for free there would be no issue over the Flexi tickets/season tickets/concessions/anything to do with tickets.

Now has that sunk in, or will I need to repeat myself? Banter!

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So tell us how the change will attract new fans then because that's what we have to do.

And if you think letting everyone in for nothing will fill the ground then thing again because it didn't the last time it was tried.

A sugar daddy will only last so long then reality bites so whats your master plan for self sufficiency or is that question too hard?

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Yes but Stanley aren't selling perishable goods at half price when someone is willing to pay full price for them. They're selling empty spaces on the terrace that few want. If we sold out every match then letting them in for less than they're supposed to pay would be bad business,but ten quid is better than nothing for that usually empty space on the terrace.

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I don't think we should let everyone in for nothing, they should be charged an appropriate price. I was using the example to illustrate my point.

Changes to attract bigger attendances:

League 1 football - applicable to both home and away fans
Improved match day experience - including new facilities like the ones being proposed/built
Relatively cheap season ticket - for both the above 200 is reasonable. Most able to afford particularly if saved up over a year, or even a few months.
Fans not moaning at the slightest change - if I was a casual fan, reading some of the moaning seen on here would put me off, it drags the club down over something relatively insignicant e.g. Buying tickets 50 yards from where they usually do. If people can't cope with this 'massive upheaval', I'm surprised they can cope with anything.

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Yeh keep making yerself look ridiculous, :rolleyes:

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THANKFULLY I,M NOT DISABLED. anyone who is genuine in their disability deserves everything they can get. I can tell you its not fun.

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What's the back up plan if we don't get promoted
How many other clubs have shiny new grounds and good facilities but can't attract new fans. If that's what matters why are they not at turf moor or Ewood.
Season tickets will never be for everyone and we will never have enough to self finance. If anything they are ridiculously cheap but I can see why as there needs to be income over the summer.
We questioned nothing under the O'Neil regime and look what nearly happened there. If the ideas are so great then explain the benefits as your only argument seems to be just get on with it. If you think fans will be put off by what is put on a message board used by a few dozen fans then I doubt they would have come anyway.
My main concern is this all seems too good to be true so I'd like to know what's behind it all. Andy Holt has done a lot for the club for which he should be commended but let's not build a house of cards.

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I'm not concerned too much with the House of Cards bit even though many other clubs have experienced it. The money has obviously been put up for the stadium improvements and has been matched by the League and debts have been cleared it's not like the regime has put the club in hoc to buy players or finance a stand.

The club is in desperate need for at least one state of the art stand with decent toilets, bars and hopefully a new lounge. In an ideal world all four sides would be done but you couldn't justify that on current gates and income.

A new 2,500 - 3,000 stand would leave a lasting legacy and add credibility to the club as a professional sports outfit.

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That last sentence evoked horrible memories involving the Aldershot Tattoo and White Elephants :eek: but the first sentence of the second paragraph is undoubtedly true - and for the players' sakes I would add changing rooms to the list.

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Tom how many times do you need telling, It is not about the money. It is the principle of a new man just coming in and without consulting anybody removing the concession, The flexi ticket was used by a good number of people but I think that has gone now. No consultation. you may be happy to be walked all over but I am not. £40 difference in the tickets is nothing. so when the thousands of fans are queing up to get in next season I will be the first to congratulate those in charge, Stanley was a friendly family club who cared about the people who came through the gates, It has been pointed out that when it was open to anyone to come for free it stil did not get full. Stanley only ever had full houses when we were doing well in the cup or promotion. only twice this season have we exceeded the 2000 mark including away fans and only just exceeding the 2000 shows the club fan base is poor. whether someone like myself who is partially sighted and has walking difficulties should get in cheaper is not the real issue. If the club are prepared to lose people like me for the sake of £40 then that shows the mentality of the person making these decisions. Like I have said it is not a money issue it is a princile, this is not the way Stanley have ever behaved.

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We arnt building a shiny new stadium though are we?

I think we need a proper stand built which will include better facilities so we can bring in more revenue during the week, What about things like having a kitchen so we can produce our own hot meals rather than a cold buffet that we currently provide on match days! As soon as we have better facilities we can start attracting fans and business to use our facilities during the week if that's the route the new plans are going!

The last thing we want is a soulless empty stadium...I'm sure Andy knows what we need to generate better/new finances into the clubs coffers!

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No offence but why should you or I be consulted?? Why should a professional football club consult on pricing.

Confused!!!

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When yeh have had summat for a few years, and it is removed without consultation you think thats ok? well sorry it sodding well aint.:(

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Hi, I hope you don't mind giving our experience of changing to cashless.
All the turnstiles have scanners that read barcodes, season tickets have been replaced with monthly membership cards that have a barcode on them that lets you straight into the ground. There is a £2pm loyalty card that gives 15% of everything, tickets, merchandise, food and drink.
eTickets are bought online and work by showing the code you are emailed to the scanner from your smartphone or a print at home ticket. The club are building a new ticket office as we speak that will be fitted with terminals so fans can buy tickets in a similar manner to when you go to the cinema.
There was a lot of negativity and cynicism, particularly around the membership cards but paying monthly has nearly doubled the number of members compared to season ticket holders (Although not changed attendance numbers).

Anyway, sorry if you feel I have intruded and hope for a good game tomorrow.

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I have used a similar system for years as a season ticket holder at Ibrox and it is a great system especially when when you can activate the smart card for non season ticket games. The same worked for non season ticket holders who had a "Ready Card" which worked the same but there was no charge for the card. That worked because people wanted to go to games especially season ticket holders for big games, Cup finals and european games. That won't be a problem at Accy.

Going by what you say that sounds an expensive system for no gain as the attendances didn't rise. That isn't even what is being talked about here, it's a case of paying cash to someone then giving the ticket to someone else. What is the point of having two people doing what one did in the past? The idea is to cut the losses not add to them.

I can see the point if the turnstiles were computerised and there was an online ticket system but it isn't. I could also see the point if it was necessary for crowd control but not with the size of the crowds we get so can someone plese explain what the benefit of this is in terms of attracting new fans and in reducing the deficit because otherwise what is the point?

Any chance of just giving us the answers?

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The system for us is free, it is a company set up by our owner, installed as part of moving to a new ground and then sold to other clubs and the income from it feeds into the club. Now used by Cambridge, Stevenage, Morecambe and a few others. https://www.venuetoolbox.com . Biggest saving is no staff on turnstiles, no admin and postage costs.

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And you thought you would sell it to us too? :D

Given the money it is a good system especially for those that can afford it but I'm sure people were still quing for tickets more than 20 minutes into the game when we were down or was that for something else?

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:) As I said earlier the new ticket office is still being built so those who are afraid of technology continue to queue. If I remember rightly your game was the first time the turnstiles had gone cashless so you probably got a flavour of what to expect. It settled down within a couple of games

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Pretty much your average football fan then :D .

For the record I think a smartcard system is a great idea and have used it at Ibrox for many years but there is a huge season ticket fan base there. That isn't the case at Accy where survival it's self depends on attracting new fans and casual walkons.

It won't affect me today anyway as I've decided I don't fancy a mars bar after all!!!

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It is simple, a small club like Stanley needs to take the fans with them, so why not have talk to the OASSC for instance, let people listen to the ideas and proposed changes and the reasoning behind them, That way people are involved, they too can have their say on the changes, This should never have been a stand off, The new MD has rode rough shod over every body and forced his ill conceived ideas n a club that is ill prepared for such changes, The fans at this club are fully behind Andy Holt and his aims, the problem is the MD is not capable of forwarding the vision without upsetting fans. We are very proud of our history in this club. we don't need a man like our MD dragging it down, we have always talked to the club and managed to scrape through with kind support and plenty of unpaid volunteers. If we are to move to a modern way of purchasing tickets great if it is done right, you can't even do it online. This man has definitely put the cart before the horse.
As for the disabled concession withdrawal I hope he gets great pleasure from it, It will come back to haunt him. Stanley is no longer a community club it is an exclusive club. This MD has done as little as he can possibly get away with to comply, This is not nor ever has been the club ethos, So we will enjoy the moment and push all we can to reach league 1 and our place in football history. I just wonder if you can buy your ticket with cash at the ticket booth if so then nothing has been achieved.

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You really need to do your research before making your wild and inaccurate statements. DLA is finished/ PIPs is the replacement. The type or severity of the disablement is irrelevant, What is relevant is the concession was taken away without any warning or discussion with the people affected or the supporters club. A little consultation goes a long way. As for sticking up for the MD and arguing the prices of a season ticket is cheap as it was reduced dramatically in 2013. may indicate we were over charging for what was on offer and people voted with their feet. We don't have enough people coming to be so picky. The MD is in cloud cuckoo land at the moment, if we do well in league one then things may change and our fanbase may increase, I hope it does. You have to judge people on the results of their actions.

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Well so much for the cashless turnstiles. I went down the steps to be greeted by a red pergola, Inside this piece of Canvas was our wonderful MD selling tickets for cash. I thought the reason for removing cash from the turnstiles was for safety and to allow fans access to the ground quickly. Massive failure on both counts. So who does he not trust with the cash?? or is it as simple as putting the cart before the horse. we are not ready for this type of change yet, we do not have a dedicated ticket office who have access to the software needed to sell online to both home and away supporters. The ques for the tickets were quite long. To say we only had a crowd of just over 1400 we made the experience of attending the club one to forget quickly. Why does our MD persist in ignoring the fans and other people who have the knowledge and expertise to handle these matters, why does he seem to think he knows it all when in fact he obviously does not, We need to run this club to suit the fans we have and we can introduce electronic ticketing when we have the facilities and staff to do this, first of all invest in staff training and equipment. then take it from there. Today we were seen to be very amateurish in our management.

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Sorry Chris, that opinion doesn't fit in with the new Md as he thinks it's a great idea. Didn't affect me as I have said on another thread as I stayed at home in the pub. I was a long distance non attendee today.

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Chrisr and deeayess give it a rest with your incessant witch hunt. 1 of you weren't there and 1 of you was looking for fault. It is so much easier in life to criticise than praise. I as a manager myself know this all to well.

My take on matters, great to see the MD getting stuck in and getting his hands dirty, plus from personal experience probably had less of a wait going through both stations than I normally do at one waiting at the turnstiles getting muddy little feet. There was a queue of about 10 people at the Gazebo's and I was at the front in less than 90 secs.

Not perfect by all means but not bad either.

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I brought along my first Grandson, to the Barnet match, for the first time today, anticipating getting him on for free, (as advertised), as he is only seven years of age and expected no problems in getting the free amazing talking 'doll' of Jesse Mcloor!:)
I am a long time season ticket holder along with my grown up daughter and on approaching the ground we were told that the Under Twelves only get in free with a 'Paying Adult' and that we would have to pay £5 for him to be admitted!!!!!:eek:
Well........ I had only a few coppers left in my pocket after buying THREE Half Time Draw tickets, (supporting the club again!) ............So I asked at the 'other end' of the 'Gazebo' and got a free ticket for the lad without problem!:gooddog:
It would seem that the new MD considers that I am not a 'Paying Adult' if I am a Season Ticket holder!!!!!!!!!!!!!:knife::oke2:
Which is absolute NONESENSE in every respect.....Of course my daughter and I are both 'Paying Adults'.......We paid up front last spring as encouraged by the club, therefore putting extra cash into the club's accounts instead of our own!!:theband:
My Grandson really enjoyed the match, and the atmosphere, sat in front of The Ultras with his Auntie, blowing his new plastic horn, wearing his new Stanley scarf and singing along with the chants and he has expressed a desire to come again!:s_gupjump
To be honest when I was told that I would have to pay for him after all that advertising a I initially felt like SODDING OFF HOME!:s_fmad: :s_pooh:
I reckon that I actually got him on for free because the 'left hand' in the Gazebo did not seem to know what the 'right hand' in the Gazebo was doing! .....More evidence of "TIN POT" MANAGEMENT perhaps!? We also then had to go and queue up in the shop to get the free Jesse 'Doll' and so by the time we finally got into the ground our usual standing spot on the Clayton End had been occupied! GRRRRRR!!!!!!:130:
NOT PLEASED WITH THE RESULT against Barnet TODAY BUT ALSO NOT PLEASED WITH THE AMATEURISH, TIN POT, TIME CONSUMING, CONFUSING and MESSY METHOD OF HAVING TO GET INTO THE GROUND!:enough::signwier:

Footnote; At the moment my daughter and I will probably not be renewing our Season Tickets for next season!:evil::evil:
We both have to miss a few matches due to other commitments but have bought them for years simply in support of the club even if we have finished up on the 'wrong side' financially.:)

.........A MORE PROFESSIONAL APPROACH MY THE NEW MANAGEMENT???
.........HARDLY!!!!!!:bingobang:frown::moon::oke2::whack::thumbsdow:

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So a team going for 2nd place in the league gets a crowd of 1300 home fans and causes another season ticket holder to decide to chuck it and you think that is a success. You're not the only manager on here but at least I listen to my staff and don't just impose my will.

There will always be fans who believe that everything is rosy even when they are locking the gates. The club can't survive with the numbers coming through the gates just now and if you think they can then more fool you.

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I wish people like you would wake up and smell the coffee, This is not a witch hunt, But I will not be told what I know is wrong when I can see it in front of my eyes. Just for your info I have not gone looking for any faults, I am annoyed that the MD seems to think he is the only one who knows anything about running the club. If you got through the tent and turnstiles so quick then you were one of the lucky few.
I don't know what sort of manager you are but if someone told you they did something for a reason then it turned out to be not the reason given I think you would be somewhat surprised to say the least. I came to this club for years when they were glad to see you. A lot of decent hard working people gave up time and effort for no reward to keep the club doors open. So excuse me if I feel a little perturbed when someone who is not as customer focused or friendly as the club is used to then something has to be done. He is proving to be a square peg in a round hole. That is not just my thought and observation.

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Get a life the lot of you you either go or not just shut the ----- up��

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That reasoned argument will get the fans flocking back. Get your head out of the sand for god's sake.

In the past we needed to average 2000 fans to break even and we're averaging 1500 just now challenging for automatic promotion while winding up more and more of the one's we have.

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Some people think the new MD is an asterisk. Some people think the manager is an asterisk. Some people will (if not yet then inevitably in the future) think the new owner is an asterisk. Some people think some of the players are asterisks. None of them are more important than the club. If you support the club, whinge about individual personalities if you must, but whatever you do, don't stop supporting the club in whatever way you can. If you do, it'll be gone.

On Stanley On!!

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Not that simple Andy as this is a club many people put their heart ,soul, and money into when needed. it kept the gates open, The problems are not going to go away, It is a club that cared for all it's supporters, As you well know my beef with the new MD was about the way he simply removed the disability concession, He then said the turnstiles would be cash free and yet was selling tickets and taking cash in a less safe environment. Like you I want the club to advance but realise that we have to walk before we can run. Why should we allow all that good work in the past be brushed aside. Andy Holt has put heart soul and big money into the club and deserves our full support. I am afraid the MD has no people skills, we need every supporter we can get through the gate, we have the best squad and chance of promotion we have had in a long time and I want to be part of it. I am afraid it is being spoilt by someone who has no idea.
There are a lot of people feeling the same.

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Haters gonna hate

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The managers and players will always be asterisks to some but they come and go and that is part of football normally that won't have much of a bearing on the support.

Owners and MDs/CEOs are different as they can damage a club. Some will press ahead and disregard the fans at their peril others will admit they are wrong.

I didn't go today as I think the MD is an asterisk and that he is bad for the club but I have a flexi ticket and bought a programme anyway so the club didn't lose out. That might not be the case next season but that depends on what happens before then and I'm far from the only one in that position.

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You make some valid points which I fully agree with Chimer. I can assure you or anybody else that I have a record of supporting the club through thick and thin. I don't voice concerns easily although this may not seem to be the case at the moment. It is because myself and many others are worried the club is being mismanaged with obvious faults. I have never or would never criticise the owner who has done so much for the club. But an MD is only a title but it comes with authority, whatever your view things off the field are not going according to plan because there seems to be a lack of a plan. Planning a change to a small club like this needs the confidence of the fans, and it is obvious this is not the case. the sad point is that everybody wants the good changes to work for the club. we need a meeting with him to clear the air and point out that without fans there is no club. We can work together to bring back some glory and History to Accrington Stanley FC. The next OASSC meeting is on the 10th March and the disabled concession is on the agenda and there will be the opportunity for the MD or Andy to come and answer questions and maybe listen to many positive suggestions. we are behind the club.

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You may not voice your concerns easily, Chrisr, but you certainly voice them incessantly. I think anyone who has read any thread on here by now understands that you think the new MD is a bombastic bully. He may well be, for all I know, but can you not give it a rest until this meeting. I hope you can then settle it once and for all.

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Time for the click ignore button on him Exile ! ;)

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As a fan who has done nothing but back the club through thick and thin, I would recommend some of the people spouting hatred to our new owner, MD and the club (the same people where showing hatred to our great leader Coleman when he returned); can you please remember we are living the dream in league 2 and soon may end up in league 1.

Stop hating, start supporting.

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I have heard NO-ONE spouting hatred fer our new owner, Davo go join the circus, clowns are in short supply.

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When you attack his main appointment of MD, you are calling into question our owners judgement.

Get behind the club!

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And that in your view is hatred, seems CLOWN is an accurate description,:rolleyes:

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Re-arrange these words to make a sentance:

of, way, not, own, dummy, my, throwing, pram, haven't, I'm, got, so, the, I, out.

It's hard at the top, whatever decision you make won't please everyone. Some fans are a lot better of finacially due to the price changes, some are a little bit worse off. This is called life!!!

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I honestly thought you were brighter than that, seems i was wrong.:rolleyes: it was never about the prices or changes.

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I too gave the benefit of the doubt but to be honest I was wrong and I don't mind admitting it.

That said I am also prepared to give Mr Burgess the benefit of the doubt and will do so privately for now based on information received.

I still don't have answers but it would seem I have the chance of them. I feel that is only fair.

Re: Sorry, Mr Burgess - still "tinpot"
 

Do you work for Sports Direct?

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No Specsavers, I see things for what they actually are :p.

I wonder who is the brightest, it certaintly aint the person being personal and abusive, it's often actually a sign of lower intelligence.

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I agree having seen your previous post - no need to rearrange.

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Well if think an honest opinion is abusive, Thats called life, :rolleyes: I dont mind at all if you do the same,like yeh just did, the intelligent ones will make their own minds up.

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That said I am also prepared to give Mr Burgess the benefit of the doubt and will do so privately for now based on information received.

I still don't have answers but it would seem I have the chance of them. I feel that is only fair.[/QUOTE]

all the problems the club has had in the past on and off the field I feel this issue is certainly dividing fans when we should all be together in supporting the club in this exciting time. no one likes change especially when its thought of change for changes sake. the truth is outthere somewhere lets hope we will find it soon.

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all the problems the club has had in the past on and off the field I feel this issue is certainly dividing fans when we should all be together in supporting the club in this exciting time. no one likes change especially when its thought of change for changes sake. the truth is outthere somewhere lets hope we will find it soon.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a job for Mulder & Scully!! :D

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I reckon some are looking at the past through the old rose-tinted spectacles. When the club was promoted to the Football League I purchased two season tickets, one for me, one for my son who was 10 at the time. The under 12s season ticket was £100. Four or five games into the season the owner/administration decided to bring in an under 12s admitted free policy. I asked for a refund of my £100, less payment of admission for the games previously attended before the introduction of the under 12 policy. I received a reply from the much revered and Stanley through and through Mr. R. Heys telling me, hard luck you're not getting a refund. I've never bought a season ticket since. The club looked after its fans in those days.

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Agree Yerself, and even if this Mr.Burgess is considered to be a bully there'll be some who reckon he isn't the first such at Stanley.

Re: Sorry, Mr Burgess - still "tinpot"
 

Where is the evidence that he is a bully?

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Good point. The club has never been the Holy Mothers of the Poor. I tried to trade up a flexi-ticket to full season ticket after 5/6 matches. Was told couldn't and had to buy another full price flexi-ticket and pay full walk on prices for the balance of the games not covered. I pointed out that this would end up costing me significantly more than a full price season ticket and got the distinct impression club did not care one way or the other. Felt like saying stuff it then at time.

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There's rarely evidence but lots of opinion. It's not mine as I've never met the guy and don't anticipate needing to go out of my way to do so just so I can carry on watching Stanley when I can.

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Enough is enough, I have sat on my hands for months reading some of the total negative rubbish about Accrington and the New MD. So given some on here say they are supporters of the club, well my take is that they are either kidding themselves or have an attitude which incites unnecessary conflict.

I refer in particular to the poster Chrisr, who clearly believes the current MD is a “bully” Well Chrisr, let me bring you in to the modern world, you may have not noticed but football in general needs to be run on a commercial basis to ensure the longevity of the club. Albeit, one should add in my view the New MD has a very tough job to get the club to be able to operate on a self-sufficient basis. Your insulin view about someone you have known for a very short amount of time, appears to me to be for selfish reasons.

I very much hope our New MD continues trying to implement new ideas to take our club forward and for you Chrisr, I was sorry to learn you have been ill in recent times, but I very much hope you appetite has improved, because I sense you were be eating plenty of humble pie when this club has been dragged from losing money to self-sufficient club, that will set the base for future generation to enjoy.
As you appear to very supportive in securing more people through the gates, why not spend some of your energy engaging with social media outside the club and generate positive vibes to encourage the local younger population to come to the games.

As for any possible reply you would like to make, I am all ears!!

Up the Stanley and I hope we get all three points at Wimbledon, it really is a must.

King Kev…. A football legend.

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Interesting rant however what if Chris is right and you are wrong? Do you think he would be gloating given the consequences?

Some people will think the best and others the worst so perhaps we should all be cautious for now.

And I would like to think we all hope Stanley get 3 points on Saturday.

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Well King Kev, you have obviously read the emails I have exchanged with the MD, you must have listened to the phone calls I have had with the MD. I can assure you I need no lessons of how to bring a club or myself into the modern world. Your patronising ignorant observations are just that. Have you seen our average gates? definitely no where near enough. I may have known the MD for a very short time but I judge people by deeds not just words. If you have not noticed I have not mentioned the MD for best part of a week but I knew somebody would. You suggest I have made my comments for selfish reasons!!!!!!!!! There is a world of difference between principle and selfish. The removal of the disabled concession without any warning or consultation. we then are told we are going cahless at the turnstiles for safety reasons. OK but why no option to purchase tickets on line? shows there is no infrastructure in place yet, we are met with people including the MD selling tickets in a pergola and taking cash. a bit bewildering I think, hardly the professional face we wish to show to the world.
I hope the MD has the nounce to know when he has got it wrong. Why not run his ideas past us in the supporters club at least? we are all supposed to be on the same side. I won't revisit old ground but I will not be eating humble pie. And just for the record I have done my share to help this club stay afloat, I want this club to move on to bigger and better things. I believe Andy Holt is the man with the vision and finance to do this. I don't think the new MD is the man to fulfil this ambition, As for trying to get more supporters through the gates, I suggest that perhaps yourself and the new MD go out in Hyndburn and encourage the Asian population to come as they make up a fair percentage of the community. But spouting the arrogant nonsense based on hear say is more likely to put people off. I am aware that the club needs to be put on a more commercial footing with enough revenue to progress. I think if you were to read my post's you will note where I have complained I have tried to offer a solution. I don't recall reading any posts from you. But whatever you or I think, we can't seem to raise our base attendance above 14/1500 excluding away fans. That is a serious problem that the club and fans need to address. we need to pull together not put fans off. I noticed you singled me out for criticism maybe the truth is getting through. A true supporter is a friend of the club and will speak out if they see things that need attention, keeping quiet helps nobody.

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Does it matter if we raise our attendance above 14/1500 excluding away fans? I don't think so, if we get 2000 in every gate and 700/800 are away fans that isn't a bad thing - they will all be paying full price.

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I suspect very much you are the new MD.:rolleyes:

Re: Sorry, Mr Burgess - still "tinpot"
 

Funny you should say that .....

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No, I'm the new MD!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q

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Your final sentence gives it all away. You have a grievance in case someone gets their ticket for a couple of quid cheaper because of their disability, Well let me try this. Shortsighted, petty, the money involved is peanuts if you do your maths. It is people like you with the attitude you portray is sickening. As for the attendance if we can't muster at least 2000 people for a home crowd we are not going to last in division one. Andy Holt is no fool and knows when to say enough is enough. So perhaps if the people you are representing were to be a little more proactive in promoting the club properly we may just attract enough people to come. except the disabled of course. you obviously don't want them to attend.

Re: Sorry, Mr Burgess - still "tinpot"
 

you are the new MD and I claim my reduced price disabled season ticket.

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They will all be paying full price because they are paying away fans. Paying money. As fans. Of a football club. Whether that's as an adult/student/concession/any category of ticket. My reference was to the fact that they will be paying. Money. Which everyone is at pains to point out is what the club needs. My point is money from away fans isn't any different to money from home fans. Where have I expressed any opinion on anything to do with admission prices depending on disability? How do you know I don't have a disability?

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No, you're not - you've been playing the prediction league for too long to be an incomer :D

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Does anyone know?

Bearing in mind I haven't lived in the Accy area for 20 years

- didn't we average nearly 2000 getting promoted from the Conf?
- where are those people (presuming they are nearly all from Hyndburn area)?
- Getting in Lg 1 is even better than getting in Lg 2- so where are they?
- back then Rovers were much more of a draw- so they're not watchin them
- New MD is going to try all sorts (some of which cant be popular with everyone)

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Theres sod all wrong wi trying all sorts, its how yeh actually do it that counts.