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Planning regs on advertising are fiendishly complex.
The Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) (England) Regulations 2007 [Schedule 1, Class A] :eek: state that the regs do not apply to "An advertisement displayed on enclosed land" which "is not readily visible from outside the enclosed land or from any place to which the public have a right of access".
Enclosed land specifically includes a sports stadium. Public right of access does not include private back gardens.
It should depend on how visible the screen would be outside the ground from the public highway or public spaces.
West Ham needed planning consent for a 'massive' screen but I presume this was because it was on the outer elevation of the stadium, facing towards public land in the Olympic Park.

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Would they count the livingstone road playing fields as a public space?

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Yes, but some might argue the point about planning controls on advertising, in so far as it impacts public space, is whether you can see the actual advert, not necessary the 'hoarding' or, in this case, the back of the screen. A primary concern is that adverts do not excessively distract traffic (so how did Walsall FC get one facing the M6, you might well ask) or 'harm' the amenity of public space. Would it be the case that the advertising face of the screen would be visible from Livingstone Road?
Looking at the image on the Fishy site, it may well be that the screen would be visible from public streets or spaces.

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Also will it affect the plans for the new stand been on that side?

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From my recollection of the #upinlights launch meeting, it was stated that a final location for the screen hadn't been decided and the mock-up was only for illustration purposes.

I seem to recall that the intended location was to the left of the Rubiks Cube as you look from the main stand.

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If it's too the left that means it would be incorporated into the new stand which could mean the planning permission gets revoked for the stand

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I would think/hope that the club simply talk to the planning officers and the local people if needs be. As long as it does not cause light pollution into people's bedrooms in particular there won't be a problem. I know there are limits to the brightness that can be displayed at night. I don't see a problem.

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Have you talked to many planning officers? :rolleyes:
Hope you're right.

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Whether it blocks out light aswell

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It won't block any residents 'right to light' if it's next to or on the Rubik's Cube Box. And, unless they own it, no-one has a 'right' to a view.

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i would have thought the club would have spoken to the planners before any collections for the score board had started.

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This is Stanley mate;)

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So good to see this, instead of 'would of'!!

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There is no such thing as a right to light when it comes to planning.

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You're 'right' :o (for once!:rolleyes:)
The right to light is protected under common law and, in England and Wales, by the Prescription Act 1832. It's a civil matter.
But, whilst the right to light is no longer covered under Planning legislation, the issue is more often than not raised in terms of a neighbour's 'right' to daylight and sunshine through someone making a planning application.
However, given the distance of any windows from where the screen may be sited, it wouldn't adversely affect any neighbours' enjoyment of light and sun.
Just get it put up and let's hope it will start showing some goals from Stanley.

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Much too far away agreed. There are set distances for privacy for building 2 and 3 story houses ect and it is outside of those, as they are building to building no garden. It is different here bur the back of a screen is less intrusive than a house with windows, but in theory if it was a bog standard brownfield site you build houses all over it.

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In LET plans have been drawn up and planning permission applyed for, the want work to start before end of season

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Not quite...article says planning permission is to be applied for. I'm still not sure it's even needed but, if an application does have to be made (and guess what the answer will be if you asked the planning department), it's another one that would benefit from some supportive comments from 'the public'.

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Depends where they are putting the display

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Has it been applied for?

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Framework is up, it's going to be next to the coppice

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...1&d=1492356053

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Will it not obscure the view to the away fans from the control box?

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Looks like it's positions further back than the police box

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And also angled

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I'd like to say I'm excited about it but . . . . . . . . I'd be telling fibs

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I'm excited by it. Providing there's some imagination in how it's used.
If it's just going to show sh@te adverts for Cafe Brilliante and a big clock then my opinion will soon change.

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If Cafe Brilliante and others are willing to pay x amount a season to pay for "sh@te adverts" then why not?

Either way it's an extra money maker for the club!

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Actually Baldy, you are right and my comment was too harsh. I should have said that I hope it is used for a mix of things. Generating revenue as well is a good thing.

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Didn't they say it was going to be used for Line ups, adverts, club announcements and goals?

A screen wouldn't have been top of my agenda but if it means more money for the club to pay for things like stadium improvements then surely a good thing...?

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Well looking at it, cow shed won't be able to see it and by size I hope it's gonna be bright it it'll only be half the main stand and away stand that can see it

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How about showing highlights from classic old games? or titbits of info during the match ... "did you know, that was McConville's 26th goal of the season"..... or just quirky stuff like the videos that some away fans make of their trip to the Wham and then upload to YouTube?

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What's point it's only gonna be prawn sandwich brigade that can see it

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Will the electric circuit stand the extra load?

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And if it can, will we be able to afford the increased lecky bill?? Just sayin :rolleyes:

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I think it's being powered from hot air, with a direct link to the Accyweb. ;)

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could pukka pies be used to work an electric generator for the screen. if so the club would have found a use for them and may help global warming.

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As long as it's not solar powered - it'd hardly ever be working in Accy :)

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The screen is now installed and working

https://twitter.com/dpb1961/status/852158750655991809

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Can hardly see it from main stand never mind Clayton end

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£40k looks like the size you can get from Currys for £500!

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Jheez...Atleast wait until we have seen it in real life!

Always somebody got something to moan about these days!

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Wouldn't be accy web without abut or moaning

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https://twitter.com/murraydawsonsda/...02093817606144 View from the main stand, let's hope it's brighter on match days, when sun shines on it your never gonna see it

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Good job it's in Accy, then.
Well done to all involved at the OASSC and the club.

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It looks smashing to me. Large enough without dominating things. I look forward to watching some seany moments of magic on it.

Given that most fans claim to have laser eyesight by virtue of them moaning with absolute surety about refereeing decisions from 120 yards away they won't struggle to read this.

Bloody well done to all concerned - another step forward on the road to domestic and European domination.

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[QUOTE=st06nc, when sun shines on it your never gonna see it[/QUOTE]

we,ll manage as that only happens once a season.

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Is that it???

For £40k I was expecting something of the size of the screens at Everton

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Given that a 77 inch telly for your lounge might set you back £18k then it's not that much of a surprise is it?

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You can get a 90 inch tv for around a grand

This new screen is a joke , £40k down the swanny

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And you stick your telly for a grand on the roof of the coms box & just how long will it hold up against the local weather? :)

I'm merely presuming here, but I'd expect the 40k's worth has some sort of outdoor protection included in the design hence the hefty price.

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Dave,

It that outdoor protection must be a major part of £40k as I'm still baffled!

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I normally dont see your posts as I blocked you a long time ago (but saw the post whilst logged out). I also know better than to reply to your trolling posts - however, I really must reply that you're a knob because other less informed people may just believe you rather than forming their own opinion.

Firstly, it wasnt 40k

Secondly, even if it was its not your money so its not up the swanny. It was raised specifically and wholly for this purpose. If you didnt agree with the target then you dont contribute. I didnt so I didnt - simples.

Thirdly, you havent seen it yet, and until you do so you should really keep your negative sneck out of it.

Fourthly, much of the cost is installation and protection. Quite obvious when you put your intelligence hat on

Rant over, back on t'block list.

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It was 40k, 20k from the fan funding and 20k from the end of season dinner

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I normally dont see your posts as I blocked you a long time ago

never run away from something or try and block it/ban it if you dont like it, snowflake behaviour is counter productive
(but saw the post whilst logged out).
Maybe you should log out more often:D
I also know better than to reply to your trolling posts
please demonstrate where I have trolled before?-
however, I really must reply that you're a knob
thank you
because other less informed people
nasty generalisation of the great accy stanley fans
may just believe you rather than forming their own opinion.#
again, shocking disrespect for fellow accy stanley fans, not nice

Firstly, it wasnt 40k
£40k was the target, £40k was used on all the advertising and promotion for events to raise the money

Secondly, even if it was
nice of you to admit
its not your money so its not up the swanny
That misses the point, its the supporters clubs money which is precious and must help the club as much as possible including making it go as far as possible. Furthermore, it is my money as I donated to some of the fund raising efforts.
It was raised specifically and wholly for this purpose.
yes, we know
If you didnt agree with the target then you dont contribute. I didnt so I didnt - simples.
Your missing the point, I agree with the target aka a new screen, but remain disappointed with the outcome

Thirdly, you havent seen it yet,
There are various pictures on social media
and until you do so you should really keep your negative
Honest
sneck out of it.

Fourthly, much of the cost is installation and protection.
Evidently
Quite obvious when you put your intelligence hat on
Nice hat

Rant over, back on t'block list.
Thank You

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So we've got it on credit then as the dinner hasnt took place yet?

I dont know the final cost but towards the end of the campaign they announced they'd done a deal to get it cheaper and owt leftover would go towards smaller screens linked to it being installed in the fanzone

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https://www.tifosy.com/en/campaigns/...pinlights-3204

22k raised from fan funding and 10k from end of season dinner and golf day

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If anyone's still puzzled why some fans regard the Accyweb as a bunch of moaners, this thread should settle it.
Is there nothing the club can do that someone, even the soi dissant 'fans rep', can't whinge about?
Jeezums, it's just a b****y information screen. If you don't like it, stand at the Coppice End where you won't have to look at it.

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The target was reduced to £30k, so either a deal done or a cheaper model. £40k the original target.

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Just think there's better things the club could of spent the money on, like improving the away facilties, end of day they are paying customers and deserve to have better than what they get

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I for one can't wait to see it. I'm actually thinking of getting there 30 minutes early and just gawping at it until I get a stiff neck. Watch as mug shots of our heroes light up the grim Accrington afternoon.

New car park, new fanzone, new seats, new bogs, clubhouse improvements, better pitch....and now a big screen. Great manager at the helm, players signed up on longer contracts. This is a club going places. The screen, even if you think is wasted money, is a statement of intent on the road to domestic and European invincibility.

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It is an investment to bring in more money over the next 20 years through advertising packages starting at £500 a pop.

Away should improvements should do the same and are part of a bigger ground improvement program.

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why is being critical of an over priced electric board considered to be moaning and against the club?

no one is criticising the idea of having an electric board, what is up for criticism is the price and the size.

please get behind the club.

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Ok, what would be a good price and a bigger size?

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The largest ones circa 10m by 30m cost around £2.5m.

The smaller ones still cost thousand just to hire, a lot of clubs used to hire them to show away games that sold out. in the 80s to the early 2000s.

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Got to admit I was skeptical about this ... but it really was a nice little luxury to have in the game.

Great work by all involved.

If I could offer some constructive feedback:

* The 50/50 number and attendance were scrolling across really quickly making it hard to read - I don't think there is any need for it to scroll at all.

* The clock stopped at 90:00 - it'd have been nice to know how far into added time we were into.

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I think (& I may be wrong) but at other grounds where they already have the big screen experience they do seem to stop at 90 minutes - don't think it's just ours

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I don't think it's allowed to go beyond 90 mins. I've never seen it do that anywhere else. We were probably not meant to do it in the first half either

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Good to see that once actually viewed the various rumblings about the giant telly have stopped. Chalk that up as a success then.

Yes, I believe there is a rule about not showing the time after 90 mins (must have been in place for decades if memory serves) and you can understand why. It would be another stick with which to beat the poor ref as angry fans and players moan about the whistle being blown too soon or too late (in their opinion).

Ps, The clock yesterday wasn't started dead on the kick off (it was started maybe 10 secs after the start). They can't be relied upon to be the arbiter of truth.

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Have you had any quotes for screens with all the installation costs or are you just guessing?

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Erm....let's guess.:rolleyes:

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why is an accyweb administrator attacking me for having an honest opinion?

i'm pleased to say I have been encouraged by the messages of support from 'real' fans.

the club and OSC need to maximise the potential of every last penny.

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Not really a troll, in fact quite well-mannered, but clearly delusional.

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nothing delusional about wanting the best for Accrington Stanley

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Now this is just a theory but, maybe, it has something to do with the fact that every time someone dares to challenge your 'honest opinion' you make snidely references to them not being a "real" fan, or not "getting behind the club". It's so common in your posts that it's beyond parody, and very, very boring. Just a theory, though. Peace and love.

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Exile on Spencer St,
there is a portion of the fan base who are clued up.
There is a much smaller portion much likes those moaners who sit behind Coleman that he sometimes mentions in post match interviews, that are not clued up.

Football is a game of opinions, but there are a few of us who also like facts.

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How can asking a question be attacking?
You've made a statement about the screen being too expensive and I was interested to know at what cost you could have done it.

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If someone had told me that's all you can get for £40k I would have spent the money elsewhere .

We run a tight financial ship at Accrington and every penny counts.

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That's the royal 'we', I presume, as in other people doing the actual work? :rolleyes:

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A tight ship eh? Maybe rip out all the seats and flog em in a car boot sale? Sell off the roof for scrap?

Get behind the screen!

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It looks like you were just moaning about it when you had no idea what they cost and just assumed it was over priced.

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Wot you gonna see from behind it?

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That was a recommendation for Dav.

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for £40,000 its a rip off IMO

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Well as one who contributed towards it, I don't. And I appreciate those volunteers who gave their free time to make it happen on behalf of all Stanley's supporters, real and otherwise.
The obvious solution is that the next time the OASSC or the club come up with an improvement scheme for the ground then you, as the self-anointed fans rep, come up with an alternative costing before any decision is made.
Simple.
That way your 'constructive criticism' ("..it's a rip off...") would amount to something more than it appears, in this case, to be.
Peace and love.

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I for one found it to be altogether colourful, informative and helpful !... for the first time ever I was able to take my Saturday 16:00 medication dead on time !.... who can put a price on such individual service as this ?.

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I think the point Dav is making ("rip off") is not that it's good or useful, but that we've been over charged.
The solution to this pointless debate is to be pointed in the direction of some "facts" that show that you can get a similar type of screen for a lesser cost? I'd be surprised if those facts emerge.

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Why don't we show some old Laurel & Hardy films at half time?
They don't require any sound & it would give us something to laugh about while we're chewing our way through the new, tastier, larger chunks of gristle.

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The screen has happened, this is a fact.
We can debate the rights and wrongs until the cows come home, but it will not change anything.

Next time we have an OSC inspired ground improvement initiative, maybe more detailed clarity about the outcome would prevent such disappointment.

The most important thing is the club moves forward.

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I was never really in favour of it, but now its in,cant say i'm disappointed, also never heard anyone else say they were.

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how do you know what screens and installations actually cost. not having a dig but a serious question.

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Pretty sure Eastleigh when they had there's done it only cost them 20k and there's looks roughly the same size as ours

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When did they have theirs done?

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Erm, my understanding was we'd get a large screen and it would cost £40K. Isn't the outcome a large screen that cost £40K?

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Was only last year

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If thats so n it cost 20K, then that makes davs comment relevant imho

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https://www.led-displays.co.uk/colle...6-x-200-pixels

Biggest one I can find a quoted price for is a 1.6m X 1.5m at £850 so would be hard to determine how much one our size should cost

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A mate of mine just bought a new bmw for £30k but I told him it was money up the swanny as he could have got a nissan micra off ebay for £695 ...

The last telly I bought was a panasonic for £900, oh how I cried when I next went to Asda and they had a Luxor one for only £250 AND IT WAS BIGGER

40K was the initial target but was revised to £30k (presumably different spec?)