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WOW !
Its a truly MASSIVE game on Saturday for THE STANLEY versus 'Top of The Division'...... Plymouth Argyle!

Our recent form has not been too good and we have struggled to convert our chances.
Tomorrow is a perfect opportunity to get our season 'Back on Track!'
The boys will need our TOTAL SUPPORT tomorrow so lets all get behind them with a really colourful and vocal show of unity!
Come on STANLEY FANS lets all BELIEVE!
Shout, sing, clap bang the drum and blow those horns and be that twelfth man once more!:mosher:

ON STANLEY ON:jimbo:

WITH JIMMY AND JOHN:mosher:

COME ON YOU REDS:jimbo:

BELIEVE!:mosher:

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I fancy us today, this is the start of the playoff charge

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I also fancy us today.

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in the past we have seemed to do well against them just wait and see. don,t want to jinx anything.

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Everybody needs to get behind every player from start to finish!!

Anybody want to guess the team...?

Chapman

Vyner
Beckles
Hughes
Pearson

Conneely
Brown

O'Sullivan
Rommy
Shay

Billy

Anyone know when Don is back? Prefer him to Vyner!

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I was wondering the same,was nothing about the don on fishy that i saw.:confused:

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GREAT STUFF!
Everybody being POSITIVE!

ON STANLEY ON!:theband:

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Think we're gonna miss Sean :hidewall: ;)

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I am confident aswell,I don't like saying this but I watched them a few weeks ago and couldn't believe their league position-- come on Acci !!!

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ASFC: Parish, Pearson, Hughes, Beckles, Vyner, Clark, Brown, Conneely, O'Sullivan, Boco, Kee

ASFC subs: Davies, Gornell, McCartan, Taylor-Fletcher, Hewitt, Sykes, Little

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Chapman injured with a bad back

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1 nil down !... uphill from here on?

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All over !!...

No goals = failure = relegation ..so quoth Sir Bobby Robson, and he knew a thing or two about soccer !.

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Another game with a lot of chances but still no win

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Bloody hell.. :(:(

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Probably our best display of the season? A game of 2 keepers imho, one who had a cart load to do and was great, the other virtually sod all to do and conceded FACT. To me playing 1 up front at home is crazy, then our tactical genius put a second striker on with 2 mins to go.:rolleyes:

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Superb performance. Played his best team (in my opinion). We controlled the game, created enough chances. Solid enough at the back. Crowd in good voice. It was like last season and really the culmination of improvements in recent weeks.

Basically we had no luck at all. Mugged.

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The simple fact we are at the moment unable to finish is whats costing us, Hardly surprising playing 1 up front imho. even with that rick Parish made we could and should have put the game safe.

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Have to agree with you Cashy about one up front but Coleman talk,s about us having a good defence well we could learn a thing or two off Plymouth fantastic defending and keeping for their goal first Man of the match Beckles gives the ball away then we get it back and Pearson heads it straight at their player who threads a pass to a totally unmarked player first shot on target Parrish let's it through is legs, on the way out someone said we were unlucky sorry I replied you make your own luck in this game and capitalize on it as Plymouth did that's why they are top and we are in a relegation scrap. We need to pick ourselves up and move on as some of our play today was good but same old story in front of goal we need tour really start shooting harder putting the foot through the ball and stop trying to walk it in as for man of the match I thought O,Sullivan had his best game since returning.

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We are playing the same formation as last year?

Kee up front with an attacking midfielder playing off him - last year that was Windass this year it's Boco.

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We're doomed!
DOOOOOMED! I tell ye

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First 30 mins we were good at defence. then 15 mins of a Stanley as we know they can play. sadly half time came at the wrong time for us. The second half was anybodies game and should have been ours. we had some chances and so had they, They got a bit more luck than us. We did almost everything right except score. They made three substitutes which did change the dynamic of the game, Our response was to take Rommy off and put shay on far too late, Terry Gornell with about 5 mins to go. Sadly throughout the game it was obvious we still have a communication problem. passing still a problem. Nobody seemed to quite know where the outlets should be. Tactically we were so easy to read and get round. If it was not for the fact that we have a good defence we would have been well beaten. Why can't the manager and assistant see what we can see. We lost this game today through Naive tactics. Why bring a sub on at the times we did and expect them to actually achieve something. There was not enough time for the players to warm up and get into the game. We do need to change things quickly, We did play well in patches but our goal threat was poor. Too many hit and hope balls. The clock is ticking.

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Yep last year we had a much more potent midfield so in the main got away with it.

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How did Plymouth play Cashy?,I genuinely thought they were average at best the other week

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Football is all about little things....fine margins ......we desperately need a new keeper in the transfer window .....between his legs three times this season so far under his body twice. He's a liability. I work in Blackpool with a lot of Blackpool fans, they were surprised we signed him as they said he used to make all these kind of mistakes for them. I didn't believe them. Now I do.

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Not that bad, but definately second best as far as i'm concerned.

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Have to say, i have always preferred Chapman, after watching both pre-season, ok hes no Joe Hart but much better in my view, Parish also throws out a lot of very dodgy balls to defenders in my view, rather than boot up the park.

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Agree Cashy, Chapman's not perfect but better.

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Well, for my two pennyworth I have to say the best team definitely lost today - don't know if Argyle underestimated us in the first half but on that display how on earth they are top of the league is beyond me!
Their goal, even according to their press people behind us was totally against the run of play but when you're at the top you get all the luck & when you're struggling you get the ****ty end of the stick - still can't believe we got nothing from today's game, gutted for the lads who each & every one gave their all

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accymad,

you create your own luck

overall a good performance, hopefully we can do the same next week but with a different result

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don't know how you can say Chapmans any better, look at the goal at Orient last week ball came over about the six yard line, Chapman rooted on his line, should have been his ball.

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Yes, you do create your own luck but I still stand by my comment that if you're riding high that luck is easier to come by- we rode ours at times last season, no doubt about it & hopefully we'll get a bit of it this time round, the lads certainly deserve it especially after a performance like today's

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I must of been watching a different match, my thoughts were how the hell did we end up losing the match, after this display their goalkeeper will be nickname golden balls, JC must think the gods are against him, still when the disappointment of the result subsides I will most probably take comfort from our performance

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Best home performance in a long time.
Desperately need a fox in the box and maybe a big lad alongside in January.
OSullivan and Clark did well out wide.
Just don't think we get the ball out to them quick enough.
Plymouth not in my top three of sides I've seen this season.
On to the next one ......

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Could think of other names for their keeper - most not printable, I know he did his time but imo the likes of McCormack should not be back plying their trade in the public eye

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He served less than the family of the two young boys he killed.

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Exactly!

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I thought we played well for most of the match; better than Plymouth. Our weakness, as many have already said, was our finishing. There were too many wild shots from the edge of the area when a pass to someone in an attacking position would have been a better option.

It reminded me of Eric, leaning on the barrier next to me at Knowsley with a crowd of just 83, saying 'He wants to be the bl**dy 'ero', as Brian Welch blasted over the bar when it would have been easier to pass.

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Well the table doesn't lie. It's no stroke of luck Argyle are a top side. Playing away from home in the first half they sat back for 45 minutes soaking up the pressure playing on the counter. What a side! We can't do that. Then in the second half their manager changed the tactics, went 4-4-2 with impact subs creating a few chances taking one of them. Great performance from a well set up team. They deserve to be promoted, good luck to them. We huff and puff but are ineffective ... can't score, make mistakes every game and have a dodgy keeper. Plymouth weren't lucky, just know how to win.

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if you don,t score you don,t win. simple. didn,t go yesterday but does sound same old story. can,t score and soft goal going in. at least it wasn,t a free kick again. big changes needed in january as we need someone to replace the 20 odd goals we lost in the summer.

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Exactly !. It's quite simple really, they score goals, keep clean sheets and are sitting on top of the league. Whilst at present the Reds don't score goals, don't keep clean sheets, and now languish in what some may describe as a perilous spot one place above an even more perilous situation.
Not being altogether convinced by this discussion as to whether good or bad luck really does exist, and if it does can be applied to League football ?. I am however convinced that this elusive element cannot be seen as having any overbearing effect on the team's performances and ensuing results.

Quo vadis Stanley ?.

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Good post as I said earlier in the thread we could leasrn off Plymouth and their management our sub's far to late to have any impact.

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[QUOTE=for their goal first Man of the match Beckles gives the ball away then we get it back"and Pearson heads it straight back"
"as for man of the match I thought O,Sullivan had his best game since returning.[/QUOTE]

Andy - I know it's probably irrelevant and petty but who the hell picks the man of the match ?
Is it in Beckles contract that he has to win it regardless or is he someone's love child ?

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I always thought sponsers picked MOM?:confused:

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They do Cashy so it sometimes seems to depend on how many lemonades they've had in hospitality & if they've actually watched the game or just picked a name they like the sound of from the team sheet :rolleyes:

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Think it woulda been difficult to pick a MoM yesterday?thought 10 of em did very well.so i couldn't bitch whoever got it.

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A decent display but playing well and losing gets you relegated, a shocker of a 0-0 would have been better.

Stanley had 3 good chances they could or should have scored from, but Plymouth had 4 or 5 to make it 2.

Turnstile scanners broke, was an omen.

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Didn't quite understand taking Rommy off, I'm sure the other week when he scored the equaliser late on Coley said Rommy was the one player you wanted to be on the pitch in that situation & yet in similar circumstances yesterday he was subbed?
Not exactly a criticism but it did confuse me at the time, unless Rommy had taken a knock maybe?

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Couldn't agree more. If anyone in our squad is capable of grabbing a last minute goal, or creating one, it's got to be Rommy. Amazed when he was subbed.
Billy Kee was largely muscled out of the game by their big defenders, who gave him no space or time, so perhaps big GTF would have proved a better choice up front, especially second half.
Good to see us adopt some effective wing play at last. Still can't believe we lost this game after such an improved performance. if we could convert just a couple of the chances we create, we could forgive the odd goalkeeping blunder. As it is, unless we can obtain a proven goal scorer, the future doesn't look bright.

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I thought that was very ironic yesterday, they let me in,even though the scanners were broke, But i couldn't get a cup ticket without being scanned.:rolleyes: one day stupidity will diminish the few spectators we have, i'm sure of that.:mad:

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Ladies/Gentlemen - may I again remind you that Coleman has 90 mins every week to try out some changes, assess the impact and prepare for the next match - all the while hoping that what he does means improvement.

Isn't it clear that improvements are gradually being made?. We are miles better than the opening day victory we fluked, despite our position not being great at the moment.

I'd rather be the team, like Wimbledon, that finishes strongly to sneak a playoff place than whoever of the top 4 that misses out.

We may not make the playoffs, but for gods sake the mood should be one of optimism and not this "the table doesn't lie", "if you don't score you don't win games" nonsense.

And stop overanalysing the bloody subs. It's not a science. The chances were that making a change would have made little difference - when and how they were made.

And yes, Beckles looked like MOTM to me. Although as Cashy wisely says any of the 10 outfield players deserved it.

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Ps, looked like Matty P and Vyner had a bit more license to get forward, take on a man, shoot etc. I liked that.

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The above 'quotes' aren't nonsense, they're facts!
I'm all for 'glass half full' optimism, but for the past few months we've been reading barmy posts predicting we're going to give our opponents a good thrashing and that the next game will be the turning point for our season.
Let's all hope blind optimism rather than reality will keep us out of the Conference.

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You may call it nonsense; others may call it fact. It would seem to me that "if you don't score you don't win games" is a self evident fact. You either draw 0 - 0; or lose. :confused::confused::confused:

Who said it's a science? It's not - but it is a skill, a managerial skill. We saw a good example of it yesterday, displayed by Derek Adams.

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Its a joke to me when subs aren't on long enough to even warm up, never mind make an impact, if thats good sense then i'm a dutchman.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I am starting to think that losing Halliday/Bucko might've done us more damage than I first thought it would.

They pushed on so far they were essentially two extra midfielders when we were attacking last season.

With Pearson, Donacien and Vyner this season we don't have that pace and flair in that position. They are better defensive players IMO but it could explain why we are struggling up front.

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Halliday was a superb player all round. Impossible to replace him.

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Lord Stiffupperlip - your name has just gone down in my little black book. "Barmy predictions"???? When we have thumped Grimsby, and dismantled Crewe I shall see thee out for a personal apology. I shall expect it to be on bended knee.

If not, you shall feel a slap from my glove and it will be pistols at dawn.

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...I shall be easy to recognise as well. I will have finished the Liver Birds marathon approx 1pm, hotfooted down the motorway to Crewe with no opportunity to shower.
Look for the bloke with a salty face, and terrible odour pushing his way through the jubilant crowd towards you as soon as the final whistle blows.

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So it's you! And I thought the smell was coming from the Whinney Hill tip.
As for thumping Grimsby & dismantling Crewe, hope springs eternal in the mind of my esteemed Lord.
However, I'll dig out those reinforced knee-pads I've left mouldering in the stables at Rusting Manor, just to be on the safe side.
:D:D:D

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Isn't it simply marvellous how us nobility can settle differences in a gentlemanly manner?

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I thought you two had staff to do that?

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Ha Ha Ha! ...........don't you just love it when the Toffs are fighting amongst themelves............:tongueout

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I watched Zac closely and every time he got the ball he struggled to find an outlet. How many times did he raise his arms in despair at having no one to pass to? This is where our communication lets us down every week, surely by now Zac should know that somebody will be available for a quick pass or even a long pass. By the time the penny drops with some of our players that he needs help, There are at least three opposition players closing him down so he has to resort to a hit and hope ball which seem to land with an opposition player. We can and must do better. If things have not turned around by the end of January then serious questions of management ability will be asked. The team seem to lack confidence in their own ability.

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I agree about your observation - there should be more movement.

The rest I don't agree with - parish lacks confidence, the rest don't. No questions asked of the management from me.

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To be fair, before Saturday I thought Parish has played more confidently than Chapman - maybe his strapped up leg was still giving him a bit of gip at the weekend & made him a but more hesitant?

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No excuse. If he's not fit he shouldn't be playing. If Chapmans not fit neither should he. We can take emergency keepers on loan anytime. They aren't covered by the loan ban between windows.

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Coley's already asked about an "emergency loan" keeper; UNLESS an independent medic certifies all our professional keepers unfit we can bring a keeper in for 7 days only.

That would mean bringing in a lad who would wouldn't know the defenders or the system for one game at a time.

Personally I'd rather go with lads that know the system and their team mates and trust in our backroom staff to get the lads fit for the Christmas /New Year period.

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lets hope reality keeps us out of the conference. i suppose another barmy post was that billy was muscled out of the game. its been going on all season and badly needs some big guy upfront with him as we haven,t got the goals from people coming up from midfield this season.

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If they aren't fit but have to play it's not their fault & given the constraints of bringing in an emergency goalie I can understand it's a bit of a damned if you do & damned if you don't situation - glad i don't have to make those decisions

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'lets hope reality keeps us out of the conference. i suppose another barmy post was that billy was muscled out of the game. its been going on all season and badly needs some big guy upfront with him as we haven,t got the goals from people coming up from midfield this season.'

This makes sense to me. Last year we had Windass, Piero and Crooksy who were all threats, playing off Billy. The guys who have replaced don't seem to have the goals in them. I'd love to see us trying to feed Billy in rather than using him as a pocket-target man.

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I'm glad Coley recognises there is a problem in the Keeper department. I've asked Father Christmas for a "goal scorer" in my Christmas stocking, desperate times call for desperate measures.......

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How many goal scorers can play alone up front that we or any club in the lower divisions can afford? i dont know of any.

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I know it might seem like duplication, but Coley could try GTF in the current Billy role and have Billy playing off him as a free roaming striker.......

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Good point Cashy, I don't know of any either to be fair ........are you thinking therefore that the formation needs to change? Do you mean 4-4-2 or a 3-5-1-1 or indeed any formation that has 2 playing further forward?

I noticed Plymouth looked more threatening on Saturday when they changed to 4-4-2 with the two subs they put on in the second half.....

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[QUOTE=Crown Grounder;1183384]Good point Cashy, I don't know of any either to be fair ........are you thinking therefore that the formation needs to change? Do you mean 4-4-2 or a 3-5-1-1 or indeed any formation that has 2 playing further forward.

I suggest that you might ask Football 19 !.... Although when I mentioned on one occasion
( purely for comedic effect of course! ) that a 1-0-10 formation might be of some value when attempting to keep a clean sheet, he took me to task on this and stated firmly that 4-4-2 would be his chosen option in the matter !.
However, in the spirit of Christmas goodwill , I'm sure he will give you some sound advice....
Watch this space !.
Of course Cashy will respectfully respond with his usual alacrity ! , and one really should take his opinion on board....or else !.

Happy Christmas CG !.

KTF.

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I am thinking we aint a got a player good enough to be a lone striker, although they try there damnedest to do the job,also the fact the opposition have our style well sussed and counter accordingly, to me we need 2 main strikers playing not 1.

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The first half we were pedestrian, not getting out fast enough once the ball was kicked forward. The few runs at goal we did make failed with the last ball. For me Jordan Clark and John O'Sullivan and Romy Boco were outstanding, but we were woeful in some of the passing and support when we had possession.

The second half we performed better but as has already been mentioned we cannot play with one up front and need to have players that can either lay off the ball and run through or who are strong enough to hold the ball and then pass through.

Subs were brought on too late. You could see some of the players tiring and when Argyle brought on three pairs of fresh legs the writing was on the wall.

This home performance was overall probably one of the best so far this season but we still have some way to go

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Now Yonmon has rattled my cage,I will reply!!
In theory,when you play with two holding midfielders,they generally don't get ahead of the ball,but last season Crooksey didn't play that way and wasn't frightened of getting forward.
Hence,teams struggled to match us.
Also Windass's pace meant one forward became two very quickly.
It's no coincidence these lads got decent moves,they were excellent.
That's the problem,the system is the same,but the pace brought by these two isn't the same.
I would definitely (at home) encourage at least one central midfielder to attack more,which in turn would allow the "three" to interchange more.
A 4-2-3-1 can soon be a 4-2-4 if the ball sticks up top.
Just need to be more positive and Billy to catch fire again

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Love It...I just love it !. :alright:

Happy Christmas Ian to you and she who is most definitely your better half !

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[QUOTE=Icarus;1183391]The first half we were pedestrian, not getting out fast enough once the ball was kicked forward. The few runs at goal we did make failed with the last ball. For me Jordan Clark and John O'Sullivan and Romy Boco were outstanding,

I have ask how O'Sullivan was out standing in the first half as he only got two touches on the ball, The rest of the time he was out in a big wide space on his own, Piero had the same problem, Our players never seem to pass wide often enough and directly enough. By the time Jono actually got the ball it went via three other players and Plymouth were all over him like a rash with time to spare, Even Jono could not be expected to take on three and gain anything. He did give them a good run for their money but help was lacking. No communication.

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If we hadn't acted the way we did with Rangers last season we might have been able to try for Crooks on loan as he is doing nothing of note with the first team and needs match fitness after being out so long :D

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To play 4-2-3-1 ideally you need 2 quick attacking wide defenders and an adroit interchangeable front 4. With a centre back at left back for example, it would be too defensive. However systems are not always key, it is more how the players apply themselves as you alluded to. The 1991 4 3 3 when Beck and Grimshaw was playing wasn't bad.

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This sounds like a sensible idea. Lets face it, we can't afford to buy a proven striker or afford his wages, assuming he agreed to join a small provincial club in the first place.
We made effective use of O'Sullivan & Clark down the wings on Saturday but had no one big enough to win the header in the box. GTF could fulfil this role & Billy Kee (or Gornell) could finish the job off. Add Rommy Boco to the mix and I'm sure we'd have a more effective strikeforce.

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Erm, how about we just keep the same team as last week and play like we did last week?

Why change when we are on the edge of being invincible?

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Because we got beat, again!

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I have said earlier in another post about O'Sullivan being out on the wing in acres of space like Piero was and nobody has the nounce to cross the ball wide to the man in the space, we insist on trying to play little triangle which are too tight and achieve nothing. We have the players but not the communication.

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Lord Stiffupperlip - that's a witty response, but surely you wouldn't want us to change things after we played so well? It was the best we've played all season.

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Lord D - I fully agree that it was one of the best team performances on home soil this season, and all the more frustrating for our inability, despite some great chances, to hit the back of the onion bag.
I was optimistic when we signed GTF, a big striker with premier league experience, especially when he scored on his debut. Since which time he's been largely relegated to the bench, where he spends 90 minutes warming-up without ever being given an opportunity to influence the game.
I'm not advocating wholesale changes, just give the guy a chance to prove his worth by giving Billy Kee a rest and starting him. If it's not working, bring Kee on for the last 30 minutes. If we can reproduce the wing play from Saturday, GTF could prove to be Grimsby's downfall.
Surely, GTF stands for 'Get The F***' in!

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play both of em together. nothing to loose as we,re not scoring anyway.

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Adroitness eh Chewy ?....Perhaps that entity should be the one element however elusive it may be, to wish upon the entire staff from MD down to the lowliest Steward at our Club !.
I'm sure that you might agree with this seasonal sentiment !.

Compliments of the season to your good self !

KTF ! .

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Could be worse Yonmon,just look at Morecambe!!,no players,no money, and worst of all the standard of pies has dropped:)
Loads of clubs are struggling,just goes to show,Getting Andy Holt involved was a minor miracle for Acci !!!

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That is sad news....about the pies I mean !...
Seriously though, one can only repeat the sentiments we direct to our own club, for success and stability in the New Year, to all at the Globe Arena !.

Pass my good wishes to Dean and the ex pats at Morecambe !.

KTF.

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It all went wrong when they moved from Christie Park & the wonderful chippy that was next door ;) -
Seriously though, hope they pull through the crisis ok - not sure how they've ended up in this mess, I thought the deal they got from Sainsbury's to enable them to build the Globe was supposed to see them ok for the foreseeable - best of luck to 'em though, don't like to see any club in that state

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Devastated about the pies tho,and the chippy at Chrissy park was a close second to the Rochdale chippy!!!,and that's were it went wrong 😂

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This Christmas fixation on Pies and chips instead of 4-4-2-1 is beginning to cause me some concern !.

KTF.

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foreign owners seems to be the one that got them into the mess. not the first club or the last that have issues with them. try cardiff and blackburn for a start. as for seeing clubs in a state i for one would shed no tears for stevenage, crawley or yeovil if they crashed and burnt.