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st06nc2 06-04-2017 15:44

Home grown players/Youth Development
 
EFL Clubs have today made a further commitment to supporting young players, by approving proposals to increase the number of homegrown players on team sheets from six to seven in 2017/18.

In a collective bid to help more players make the transition from Academy to first-team football, EFL Clubs also agreed to introduce a requirement for at least one club developed player to be named on each team sheet for any EFL League game from the start of the 2018/19 season

cashman 06-04-2017 15:53

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I honestly dont understand that.:confused: to me any lad good enough in the lower reaches of football, will automatically get on the team sheet surely?

AccyMad 06-04-2017 16:52

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Will these new requirements apply to the Premiership teams too I wonder? :rolleyes:

st06nc2 06-04-2017 17:03

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 1191749)
Will these new requirements apply to the Premiership teams too I wonder? :rolleyes:

Don't be daft

Exile on Spencer St 06-04-2017 17:37

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1191740)
I honestly dont understand that.:confused: to me any lad good enough in the lower reaches of football, will automatically get on the team sheet surely?

You're absolutely right, Cashy, but forgetting that this is just another example of political tokenism.
One sage observer (Thomas Sowell) suggested that the last few decades have seen all decisions by organisations move from what works best to what sounds best.
Unless that one player IS good enough to play in the first team, all it means is that there is going to be one less person on the team sheet who should be there.

maccawozzagod 06-04-2017 17:45

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Its a load of crap really but we've clamoured for years for the likes of Turner or Webb or Hazeldine or Carver to be given a chance. If they now HAVE to be given a chance then at least we'll see some sort of fruition. The club has high hopes for Ross Sykes who has been on trial at Prem clubs this season, but not got a meaningful game for us yet.

Exile on Spencer St 06-04-2017 19:07

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Agree, Macca, that it sounds like a good idea.
However, many League clubs have always been doing it but, as you say, it doesn't mean any more young lads will get a game UNLESS they are good enough. And if they are good enough, they would break into the first team anyway. Nothing will fundamentally change, I suspect.
But the EFL administrators can pat themselves on the back that they've 'addressed the issue'.

monkey hanger 07-04-2017 08:19

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another load of (put your own words in here). just put someone on the team sheet doesn,t mean the,ll be getting on the pitch. would have made more sence if it had said starting eleven.

football19 07-04-2017 11:52

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In simple terms lower league football is all about points.
A young player breaking through is a bonus.
That's why the reserve teams were replaced with under 21s,to give their development a better chance.

monkey hanger 08-04-2017 07:39

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1191822)
In simple terms lower league football is all about points.
A young player breaking through is a bonus.
That's why the reserve teams were replaced with under 21s,to give their development a better chance.

and look whats happened. they all get loaned out to teams in leagues below to get proper development. this u21 thing doesn,t seem to be working as its not competitive enough. get back to the old days with proper reserve sides where young players were blooded with experianced players, but i suppose someone who,s on a fortune to think up these new ideas has to make them work.

cashman 08-04-2017 08:06

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Originally Posted by monkey hanger (Post 1191870)
and look whats happened. they all get loaned out to teams in leagues below to get proper development. this u21 thing doesn,t seem to be working as its not competitive enough. get back to the old days with proper reserve sides where young players were blooded with experianced players, but i suppose someone who,s on a fortune to think up these new ideas has to make them work.

Is it not more expensive to do that? therefore small clubs cannot afford.

monkey hanger 08-04-2017 08:23

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1191873)
Is it not more expensive to do that? therefore small clubs cannot afford.

they don,t think about small clubs when they bring new ideas in. if those at the top want a proper reserve league starting it will start no matter what stanley or any football admin men think or want.

cashman 08-04-2017 11:07

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Originally Posted by monkey hanger (Post 1191875)
they don,t think about small clubs when they bring new ideas in. if those at the top want a proper reserve league starting it will start no matter what stanley or any football admin men think or want.

oh i know they dont, but were yeh not suggesting get back to summat we cant afford?:confused:

monkey hanger 08-04-2017 11:49

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i,m sure a reserve league consisting of north west clubs who would play players who didn,t get a full game on a saturday plus some youngsters wouldn,t cost a fortune and give em competitive match. if you,re out of the side at the moment say with stanley you have to hope someone gets injured or there form drops off with only training behind you. it worked well in the past.

Chimer 09-04-2017 11:16

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Reserve teams made more sense when you didn't have any / many substitutes. To run an adult reserve team in a regular competition these days you would need a total squad of over 30 with probably 4 goalkeepers. You wouldn't want to play any of the regular first team or bench in a reserve side if there was a first team game due in the next four days or so, and gates would be in the low dozens. Just couldn't make financial sense .... in my opinion.

Chewbacca 09-04-2017 13:03

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When Stanley reserves got promoted in the 80s they would play against Division 1 NW Club's A&B teams and the likes of UMIST.

At the start of the century A&B teams were replaced by U19 and U17 academy teams. The development squads which some people refer to as U21 and other U23 are the step between the academy and first team squad, but are not age restricted.

baldy 09-04-2017 13:10

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I've not seen much of Ross Sykes, but when I have seen him play (Crewe in Checkatrade) he didn't look out his depth and could play it out from the back well. Also heard good things about Reagan Ogle who's been on trial at Stoke!

Just because youngsters like Ogle and Sykes have had trials at Prem clubs it doesn't mean they are good enough to play League 2 just yet though.

The thing with Premier League clubs, They can afford to have all these 16/17/18 year olds in their Development/Reserve teams but how many will get released every summer and never heard of again?

Chelsea a great example, They have something like 30 players out on loan...29 of them will probably get released but they can afford to hope that one of them makes it good!


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