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Another date to be announced this hopefully not could drag on for months before any football is played and if any clubs in any tier in the football league could go out of business how does carrying out the season work then if you have lost 1,2, or more clubs.

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FIFA are expected I believe to be announcing shortly that all players contracts and loans are to be extended beyond the current end date of June 30th( think that is correct) because it is becoming clear that April 30th is a non starter and in the present environment nobody can predict a new starting date.

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I agree andyd and I hope that I am wrong but I cannot see this nightmare ending without some clubs going to the wall, and if this is the case then all the leagues, certainly the lower ones, will have to be reformed which would make itnye on impossible for this season to be concluded.

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wonder what those involved with bury may be thinking if the season is eventually cancelled and did not exist.

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Scottish Football..........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52047550

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For many seasons now, football in Germany has been doing the right thing :)

All the stuff they do with season tickets and gate prices is to be applauded :)

So, I suppose it is not a surprise at all to read this...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52052650

Football everywhere - and to be honest, people/businesses everywhere - would do well to reflect on this...... :)

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STAY SAFE PEOPLE

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Meanwhile, back in the ‘home’ of football, the FA lives up to its acronym by not even communicating with clubs before rushing to a decision.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52064082

But I guess it doesn’t matter, they’re more bloater paste than prawn sandwich clubs.:rolleyes:

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It has sadly even in these unpredictable and awful times comes down to money Premier League want to finish season not so Liverpool win the title and in fairness to who will be promoted from the championship, no they are worried they will lose all the TV money well welcome to the real world. It's coming home and biting the greed in the behind £500,000 a week wages might just be on the way out but don't hold your breath they don't care about the lower leagues that's why they made their decision to null and void the lower leagues season's but oh no we still want our money typically disgraceful.

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Bristol Rovers post £24,000,000 losses in response to this there has been an interesting debate on twitter with Andy Holt for those of you who don't access it here is just one question and Andy Holt,s answer:-
Hi Andy would you be in keen on finishing the season now no promotion/relegation or playing it out when safer?
Andy Holt,s answer:- I think we have to play it out.This may not be practical though. Depends on how bad things get. If this disaster lasts a year (extreme I know) many clubs will not be able to fund it through. I don't exclude ASFC either here. Unless there's no alternative play it out.

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Footy has to take a back seat with this stuff we can't control going on ,and so far the EFL has probably got it right. As fans, though, it feels like we're
in a canoe without a paddle. I have this grating feeling at the back of my head if we don't finish this season in a way that makes the clubs and more especially the fans
of those clubs respect that solution, that the league will suffer. It's about integrity in the end.
For instance, let's imagine if the league was declared void now. Bolton survive and in the summer break make some random signings that take them to top of League 1 next season (I know, in spite of a 12 point deduction, presumably). Meanwhile we begin to struggle at t'other end of the table (it's only a what if / maybe). If we or any other L1 club were then relegated, the resentment we would feel would be against the league admin rather than at Bolton (who would basically have followed legitimate rules). It would be a massive turn off for fans and, as we know, every fan at ASFC is a fan to behold.
The season has to finish in a legitimate way but atm I'm as clueless as everyone as to how that can be done. The key factor is time. If this epidemic goes on longer than we all hope then that could change everything.

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The season can finish. The problem is the impact on next season. 2020/2021 play every opponent once on a neutral ground with every ground utliised ?
2021/2022 back to normal.

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But any way the authorities decide to go regarding this season depends on length of lockdown in sport and how many clubs that hopefully none but can't see it go to the wall.

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There are only 9-10 games left to finish this season.
Why not play them, two a week, from (say) August or September. That would push back the start of next season by 5/6 weeks.
Then, for next season, cancel all the pre-season games, ‘peripheral’ cups and trophies, and start 20/21 season in (say) October.
There would then be 42 weeks from October 2020 to early May 2021 to get every in League match.
Don’t cancel the FA Cup, but play it mid week, including replays.

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Good suggestion but yet again will August be safe hopefully yes but will all clubs have survived?

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all we can do is take things as they come, no use speculating about stuff in my view.

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Premier League bosses toying with the idea of finishing thier season in special isolated areas and players staff officials in hotels playing all games in June/July and being available on TV to raise moral of the country. Selfish attitude again no caring about the EFL won't happen government saying this morning measures could be in place for 6 months, I worry about the vunerable clubs and also our Stanley.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1, I worry about the vunerable clubs and also our Stanley.[/QUOTE]

if clubs get through this inactive period ok i do think they could be in for a bit of a boom period with gates much higher than before the stoppage and that includes stanley.

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quite possible is that mate.

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Aye that's right & a lot of the players are also taking pay cuts to support the ground staff & employees.


https://www.bavarianfootballworks.co...evenue-dfl-dfb


https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-ho...ght/a-52915762

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Another really great gesture......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52092809

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Just out of interest this is a question about motivation if a scenario came about that all clubs
had to finish this season but we have moved on to August say, will players be fit contracts all over the place no one has planned their transfer window because they don't know when it is. All this and other scenario,s must be going around in the heads of football,s governing bodies it's going to be interesting when we do get football back.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1238722]no one has planned their transfer window because they don't know when it is.

easiest way would be to scrap the transfer window for the season. is it actually needed at stanleys level and below for that matter.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1238725]Ok scrap the transfer window what happens to out of contract players can they still sign for other clubs who with no income coming in very difficult for anybody to budget.

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During this unpredictable time football clubs here are subject to the same rules as any other business so non playing staff can be laid off and furloughed thus they can apply for the 80% grant towards thier wages. Players if I'm correct aren't as they have legally binding contracts but those whose are expiring could be in a very vumerable scenario clubs with little or no income will probably just let them go.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1238726]as for out of contract players, they are and have always been in some sort of limbo once their contracts and wages run out until they get signed up by another. it does vary from player to player but for some its months rather than days for em.

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If the restrictions on our way of life continues for 6to8 months that takes us to August/October no way can a season be finished and another completed in present format and then try and fit Euro,s in as well in 2021.

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National League season suspended indefinitely looking at ways how to finish it this will no doubt impact the EFL.

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get the impression that the euro,s seem the b all and end all of it. more interested in the situation when we and others can resume their seasons. if the euro,s were cancelled it would not bother me one little bit. mind you i do not make money out of em so that could be the problem.

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I know where you are coming from MH, but, even though I do not make money from The Euro's either, I do look forward to them and the World Cup :)

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Looking forward to any kind of football.

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Agreed :D

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1238729]Scouts and club representatives are still very active.
Some clubs already know their budget and are planning for "next season" regardless.
I've just been approached by a club at level 4 of the National League system with a budget of £3k per week for building a new squad.
Mad world.

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Tottenham have joined Newcastle in furloughing non playing staff so they can apply for the 80% government grant this is the so called 8th richest club in the world who pays it's players fortunes and whose chairman paid himself £4,000,000 last season stinks, don't think I,ll ever watch Premiership football again.

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Sadly really can't see any football as we know it until at least September thoughts anybody on how it should start up again.

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Not sure andy, could they have a mini pre-season??

Build fitness and bring in a few ££ :)

Insurance and injury springs to mind??? Just a thought :)

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Another suspension https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52121463



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Does not surprise me :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52123202

One of the nicest people in footy :)

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Just start where we left off, take it from there and see what happens.

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Apparently Millwall fc about to make decisions on putting playing personal on 80% government retention scheme.

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Would be my choice :)

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Belgium first major European league to end season as it stands Bruges to be declared champions.

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With 1 game left, I can understand this https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52138270

Wonder what will happen with the play-offs Etc?

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Two ways of looking at it with one game left it would have been logistically easier to finish than if you had ten say no easy answers but at least they have come to a decision.

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Football chiefs meeting today about future of season some idiots at premier level even mentioned China has an option to conclude, couldn't make it up. Greed has bitten them in the bum even some big clubs seriously worried now if TV money collapsed were,nt bothered about Bury though they need to null and void it now no chance it will be safe to have large public gatherings up to maybe September/October even Wimbledon tennis cancelled end of June sorry to seem so negative but I if still here would like to see football survive so some hard decisions have to be made now.

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Not sure how that would work ......... they're not employed by the club just contracted to them.
Other staff totally different.

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Premier League suspended indefinitely..........................

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Premier League to 'advance' £125M to E.F.L. and National League :)

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Unfortunately but I can see it being the TV companies that bankroll football being if this goes on for a long haul being the ones who makes the decision.

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Football players union PFA now in dispute over wages and wether or not to cut them in the premiership by 30% unbelievable football beginning to lose all credibility people will remember this.

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The issue around cutting wages, is the N.I. contributions lost........

That is why this is taking so long, the players want to ensure that the monies are going to the correct places - well done them :)

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That's not quite my point it's the fact that they are falling out about you guessed it money the premiership is quaking in its boots about losing TV money and the sad truth is that's the state the game has allowed itself to get in since the inception of the premiership in 1992, the game is full of greed corruption and it's now all being exposed.

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Get your point now Andy and agree fully :)

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Burnley chairman saying if they don't resume playing before August will lose £50,000,000 and will go bust, if a well run club is saying that what chances for the rest.

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On the amounts that Premier League players are paid, a reduction of, say, 30% is extremely unlikely to affect their National Insurance contribution record and their state pension.

With furloughing, the employer can claim back 80% of the employee's pay, up to £2500 per month. In addition, the employer can claim employer's National Insurance Contributions on that amount, normally 13.8% of anything in excess of £732. The employer can also claim minimum workplace pension contributions. Employers can pay in excess of 80% or £2500 but cannot claim the excess back, nor can they claim associated National Insurance and pension contributions on the excess amount.

The employee pays PAYE and employee National Insurance contributions calculated on what they receive, as well as employee pension contributions.

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that figure does seem high but its not really the point. so many others seem to be in the live now pay later bracket. its been said well before the present situation that the whole premier league could fall like a pack of cards if they have a problem like the lack of tv money. if everyone cancelled their sky subscriptions the would have problems well before this virus was ever thought of.

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Another twist from the lower leagues....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52189058

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Well just shows to me that the FA acted on a whim not representing thier members on a fair basis, a lower league club has to adhere to the rules in normal times as any other but when they rushed into their original decision one rule for one and another for you they are wrongly running the whole shambles in what is clearly the greatest threat this and every country is facing. Let's hope that when we get through all this that people don't have short memories it's an opportunity to balance football for the better.

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Football authorities have agreed that the season will not be completed before June 30th, they have decided that the transfer window will be extended open end at present because no idea when anything will restart. Expiring contracts they are looking at short term extensions depending on legal issues and discussions, they add hope these are decided on the good spirits they were first signed. Are they finally slowly realising unfortunately we are all in for a long haul stay safe everyone.

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And I should think so.....................

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52191140


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Pity they had to be shamed into changing their minds

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I know, but at least they did :)

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Hopefully a sign thing,s might change for the better when we eventually return to " normality".

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hope so myself, but doubt it very much the big clubs only care about themselves, smaal clubs matter nothing to them imho.

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We can but hope :)


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Window and contract extensions....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52188913

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It isn't agreed yet unfortunately because it is open to challenge including by legal means and yet again greed sets in.
Harry Kane for instance is adamant his contract expires 30 June which means he's already been tapped up to move on.
Football is in a mess generally.

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Has been for years.

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So Harry Kane for example I know he,s injured but that is irrelevant doesn't care when or if the season finishes as far as Tottenham are concerned sums him up then.

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When football finally returns a lot of these over paid individuals will find a very different football pryamid clubs now beginning to see very challenging times coming up and I can see unfortunately there being a lot of casualties.

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Though, I think the casualties will be lower down.........

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So, do the F.A. - as pointed out earlier by Reamer - do actually that???????????

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52191973

Is it not the responsibility of somebody - the F.A. maybe?? - to look after football??????

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And I do not at all mean bail clubs out willy nilly.......

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When you look at the alarming state of a lot of clubs financial situations many at the top elechons of the pryamid I honestly can't see how they are going to distribute money when it is drying up fairly the outcome is going to be sad I,m afraid for a lot of badly and maybe some sound clubs, the game will be permanently changed.

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[QUOTE=VALAIRIAN;1238938]Though, I think the casualties will be lower down.........

it will be. problem that has always annoys me is that some old established non league club say chorley who get similar attendances to stanley did a few seasons ago. they,d end up going bust with debts of say half a million whilst big premier league clubs are 50 plus million in debt growing season by season. this situation needs to at least slow down if it cannot be stopped.

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Scottish footy are looking at having a vote........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52214595

Be interesting to see the outcome?? :)

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The Scots will be bricking it.
Sanction this and UEFA threatening to ban them.
Could also have repercussions for the National side.

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Every league is bricking it the championship have even discussed a 24 club joint administration then they can collectavably sack all their players making them all free agents that's how serious this is going to get.

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Would there then be anyone we could pick up on a free? ;)

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If you have access to twitter there is an excellent view of the crisis by Andy Holt how Stanley may survive and how other clubs won't, he also thinks authorities should stop stalling make a decision finish season then you can financially plan for whatever lays ahead.

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its still over 3 weeks till the season would have finished now. if the season did start on the first week of may{which for me it will not** then even playing 2 games a week without play offs would mean that the finish would be about the second week in july. just about doable. any date past may then the problem gets worse. a date must be set in stone for the season starting up again. if that date is passed then a decision has to be made to plan for the future. at the moment football seams to be living more in hope than expectation with a finger in the dyke approach.

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The problem with playing in May/July is it would undoubtedly be behind closed doors and as Andy Holt explains this would just be another expense that most clubs haven't got so just creating more problems without crowds especially lower leagues that is a catastrophe especially the likes of Sunderland who must be paying most of their wages in comparison to gate receipts.

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E.F.L. advise teams NOT to start training until 16th May at the EARLIEST...........


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E.F.L. think about 56 days - 8 weeks - to complete the season (P.O. inc.) when season re-starts :)

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E.F.L. are working on the assumption that ALL games will be behind CLOSED DOORS.................


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All assumption based though doesn't address financial implications and why even talk of play offs.

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JRick Parry's date of 16th May to resume training already looks wildly optimistic as politicians already saying lockdown likely to the end of May as the infection peak is 2 to 3 weeks away, that would push his plan if everyone agrees to it likely end of season first week in August.

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Further updates from Scotland..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52236228



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thats really true. football with crowds or no football at all. who would foot the bill for stanleys trip to gillingham. just another way to make the situation worse for struggling clubs that need every penny at the moment and not throwing it away.

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Going to unfortunately through no fault of their own be a lot of players without a club as this scenario plays out, clubs going bust, clubs reducing cost. I,d like to know what the collective chairmen of the EFL clubs think of Rick Parry and the EFL,s plan.

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I think I know what you mean MH, but Stanley would be footing the bill regardless of the situation....

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Exactly with no income and just borrowed money from the EFL, if EFL want a behind closed doors finish to the season they should finance it.

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Behind closed doors is no problem for the two big money-bags businesses behind the Prawn Sandwich League.
Fan-less games could be still televised, with a bit of canned crowd noise added for atmosphere, and will be bought by armchair subscribers.
And the gambling companies can still extract money from mugs online by betting on such games.
As for any team outside of the PL...I doubt they can expect much solidarity from the above sources.

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I can see this causing a bit of falling out between clubs and EFL time for a bit of unity among clubs Andy Holt not keen on it, he,s said already the cost to budget could be a 25% hit without throwing any more down the drain of this plan.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1239062]Behind closed doors is no problem for the two big money-bags businesses behind the Prawn Sandwich League.
Fan-less games could be still televised, with a bit of canned crowd noise added for atmosphere, and will be bought by armchair subscribers.
And the gambling companies can still extract money from mugs online by betting on such games.

you mean the two lots of people that matter to the greedy league. armchair fans and the betting industry.

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The problem with the EFL and other footballing authorities is they seem to only have a short term plan which is finish the season when government allows and we will get the money and it's fine. Problem is it won't be it wasn't fine with a lot of clubs before this pandemic a long term plan needs thinking about and how to finance it. Next season might well be a long way off to just prioritize this season's end is short sighted financial madness.

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When all this is thankfully over and the surviving clubs restructure their finances regionalised leagues might well resurface to minimise costs. Players wages will also reduce significantly especially at top level.

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Both good ideas...but.
Some of us would see less of Stanley with a regionalised structure, but I doubt it will occur.
Pay in the Prawn League will depend entirely on the willingness of TV and betting companies to keep on inflating things. Money from TV and the gambling industry is a ‘loss leader’ for both, so they can then earn a fortune, so it’ll be interesting to see what happens.

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No chance players salaries will reduce.

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After frontline NHS workers, cleaners on crap wages, supermarkets staff etc,etc battle on through this with no other choice I hope they at the ludricous top end of football,s outrageous wages get a reality check from supporters who will probably have less money to spend on luxuries as subscription TV or even not rush back watching them live things change.

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Reports coming out from Italy they don't think there will be crowds at football anytime before 2021.