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Twitter is a personal choice I follow Andy on that platform you choose when or not to post he is obviously not posting at the moment his choice not anyone elses, he obviously chooses not to use this forum again his choice he doesn't need guidance on what he chooses to air "his" opinion on.

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it is a personal choice twitter no doubt, but i joined just cos andy had, rarely go on it though, dont like it. but i cannot understand his choice. this is for stanley fans so it baffles me.:o

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always thought the same myself.

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Who’s offering him guidance ? Just my opinion. He’s a big boy but given some of the holes he’s put himself in with opposing clubs by sticking his oar in their business and getting disgusting retorts Im not surprised he's taking a break.

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Looking like the vote is either fixed or the EFL know the results beforehand because they have tested the 4 clubs in the playoff positions players for Covid all negative, or have they dropped another clanger.

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Interesting given Peterborough's comments. Have Wycombe been tested ?

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/...selves-2877465

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Points per game average puts them out so don't think your information is correct.

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The information is from the EFL site.

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Which clubs does it say tested mate ?

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LEAGUE ONE

Following the first round of COVID-19 testing in League One, the EFL can confirm that 135 players and Club staff were tested from four League One Clubs over the course of Wednesday 3 June, Thursday 4 June, Friday 5 June and Saturday 6 June with zero individuals testing positive.

Can't see where it says it was the clubs in play off positions tested mate.

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Well if they've only tested 4 clubs I don't see any permutation that's on offer that would put Peterborough in the four.

Everyone else at their club has accepted it clearly MacAndrew is still as bitter and twisted as ever.

Personally, i.d love the championship clubs to form Prem 2 as I believe the payments cascading could at least double and a half-decent negotiator could triple or even quadruple the TV income as i.m pretty sure there's a strong tv market for lower league grudge games in front of baying crowds in packed grounds. Pretty sure Regional ITV or even BT would snap their hands off biggest problem would be establishing slots.

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They are currently in a play off place mate.
As Andy has said, have the EFL already decided the outcome of the vote ?

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No the EFL haven't already decided the outcome of tomorrow's vote.

However the Peterboro CEO has rung each club multiple times asking how they will vote. From the replies he's received he's worked out that the EFL Board proposal is the likely winner.

Any Club in the EFL can assess tests on the EFL "account". When this season is finished the EFL will send an invoice to any club that has had tests; ie if PNE have had 500 tests that will get an invoice for these tests.

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Thanks Mark. I thought it was strange to suggest that the four clubs were those currently occupying play off places. No one knows which clubs and as no positive tests we'll never know.
Roll on tomorrow .............

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Typical EFL why post a statement like that is it just to cause confusion are they just rolling along in a shrouded world not fit for purpose and when we get back to some " normality" might be a perfect opportunity for change at the zoo.

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You said they did ...... i say they didn't.
You said the clubs in the play off positions had been tested.
I cannot find that statement anywhere.
All it says is 4 clubs
#605

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So, according to sky sports news EFL clubs have voted to decide a curtailed season based on unweighted points per game with promotions & relegations to happen & play-offs will include no more than 4 teams.
But then it says League 1 & 2 clubs are now to hold their own meetings to decide on whether they want to end the season on that basis - in essence, we're not much nearer to knowing what's going to happen then

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This morning's meeting was to vote in the required regulations to allow each division to make it's own mind up. Without a regulation in place a formal vote could not legally take place.

L2 are meeting as I type this; L1 meet at 3pm.

Yes it's been a long drawn out process but some clubs wanted to have the moment "in the spot light" ;)

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Thanks for the clarification Mark, let's hope by the end of the day we'll know more ��

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whoever is responsible for this pathetic effort needs sacking as far as im concerned.

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Don't hold your breath they will miss their biscuits and brews.

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15 have informally indicated their intention to end the season.
It's over as far as I'm concerned but cant imagine being a fan of Wycombe or Peterborough.
Highs and lows I guess.

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Rules are rules Cashy.
No one ever could predict where we've ended up as a Country or as a sport.
Only the clubs with vested interests in League One to blame for the drawn out affair at division level.
So when will the new season start ? Hahaha ! The next debate.

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For me the new season shouldn't start until crowds allowed back but if Premiership decided to start behind closed doors the EFL will probably jump on board without thinking.

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My forecast is 26 September 2020.

If the lockdown rules remain the same - behind closed doors.

By then however I think there's a chance of supporters being allowed to attend.

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Leagues 1 and 2 to finish season hurrah reached the decision most of us predicted on the day it was announced football was suspended it hasn't taken long let's see what they decide for next season.

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Congratulations to Coventry on being crowned champions deserved as best side good luck to Rotherham and who ever goes up with them via playoffs, Bolton, Southend never a doubt about going down you were poor Tranmere might feel hard done by never a fair way but the final table as season was cut short was the best solution.

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Have you no sympathy for Peterborough ?

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In a word no.

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Not an ounce

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Does anybody? :D

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Burzic saying his goodbyes on twitter presumably all loannees will be curtailed now can see retained lists being announced in next few days.

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I thought all the loanees went back ages ago mate.
Time to deal with what we've got and what we can have.
Put the 30 June expiry lads out of their misery once and for all.
Give the lads on one year options a decision so they get on with their lives.

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That's why the majority of us wanted this vote done weeks ago common sense which seems lacking in some quarters.

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Tranmere announced 20 staff to be made redundant from July which is when the furloughing scheme starts to wind down unfortunately I don't think they will be on their own.

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its common sense and nothing to do with football clubs that if you have no work for people they get made redundant. no business can carry on forever paying people when there is no light whatsoever in when they can resume trading.

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Out of interest, as we don’t have a telly, are the commercial broadcasters who are currently televising the PL games squeezing in ads during the mid-half drinks breaks?

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Fa to make 124 redundant due to the financial impact of Covid and it,s potential future financial consequences.

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At last ! Too many staff to start with and far too much bureaucracy.

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You could probably say the same about most football clubs far to big squads but not Stanley next term cut your cloth to suit.

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wonder if the other growth industry, county f.a.,s will shed a few of their staff also.

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Over the next 3 months the rules on furloughing your staff change untill it is phased out in October without going into all the rules this is when companies including football clubs and authorities if looking at making redundancies will start the consulting stages. This is the crucial period for football clubs and their decisions on ways forward without income it is very difficult to chart a way forward and it's looking increasingly likely away support will be stopped for the immediate future so to me as many home fans you can get in is crucial. Season ticket income is an upfront in most cases one off payment if only these are allowed in there will be no payments on the day lots of problems to overcome.

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I'm personally not happy hearing of anyone losing their job ....having been made redundant 6 times during my working life....now retired I'm glad to have a relatively secure and stable income to live on...

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Northampton win promotion to league 1 congratulations to them in front of empty Wembley to be greeted by loads of fans on their return doing high fives with the players as the get off the coach what's that about.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1241567 it's looking increasingly likely away support will be stopped for the immediate future so to me as many home fans you can get in is crucial. Season ticket income is an upfront in most cases one off payment if only these are allowed in there will be no payments on the day lots of problems to overcome.[/QUOTE]

without away fans and walk ups on the day it will be three figure crowds at the wham for all mid week games for a start. these things just are not sustainable.

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I think it will be much reduced crowds or no crowds. Fans know if they buy a season ticket and there is a second spike then money is lost like for the 6 games last season, and also there are a lot of older fans more at risk fro COVID-19, and there is a higher risk to middle aged men then women.

I think we will wait to see what the situation is in a month's time, if there is an increase in the R rate due to pubs ect reopening at the weekend, and a spike in cases, then I can't see a full reopening in 2020. Looking at the pub restrictions you have large pubs in the area who say it isn't safe to open as they can't put measures in place to ensure safety, and some small pubs that would be more risky opening on Saturday with amateurish measures. So i will be avoiding them until at least August.

Clubs and a lot of fans have lost money during COVID-19, but a lot of people who have nothing to spend money on and their wage has stayed the same or increased, and will have plenty of disposable right now (even though medium term is uncertain). Club need to seek support of the better off fans by offering long term season tickets at discounted rates or debentures.

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At the moment I think the government is mainly concerned about getting the economy going and as in a scenario that is unique they won't get everything right example hair dressers open nail salons not seems strange, Wetherspoon's have just announced there will be no sports shown in any venues as it can encourage shouting so that guidance about shouting or singing to me rules crowds out short term. I personally still think we need to wait for the go ahead for crowds back save a lot of messing around and not needed spending on crowd management rules .

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Just heard Wigan F.C. have gone into administration?

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All this is speculation ..... just that.
We're still 10 weeks away from the strong rumour of a start date.
That's a hell of a long time in covid terms.
Maybe there will be a spike ....... maybe they wont.

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Correct stating Covid has had a detrimental effect on finances no coincidence that they have had to play on incurring more costs club up for sale won't I,m afraid be the last.

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Will they be subject to the usual points deduction?

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Yep, 12 point deduction - just hope it doesn't save Luton :rolleyes:

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with all thats going on with this virus i think no-club should have a point deduction for summat like this. even though snakes the manager.:D

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Yes mate.
If deduction made this season then they're bottom and look destined for relegation.

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Devil is in the detail !

The sanction will be applied at the end of this season if the Latics, 14th in the Championship, finish outside the bottom three after 46 games.

Should Wigan finish in the relegation zone, the penalty will be applied during the 2020-21 season instead.

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With all that's going on Cashy they will be handing out an awful lot of sanctions but they will find that the easy bit anything you have to overthink they come across as thick.

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Wrexham have announced their retained list and have said they would love to offer 5 out of contract players a new deal but with Covid having has they put it serious financial implications on the business and no clear start date are unable to do so.

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Confirmed a 12 points deduction applied this season if they finish above the bottom 3 if they were to finish naturally in bottom 3 deduction would be past on to league 1.

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Football with the dreaded first club in Covid era to pass into administration is probably secretly quaking in its boots Man United apparently losing 5 million pounds in gate money per game over a full season that's a staggering 95 million pounds, but they have a fall back to TV money something leagues 1 and 2 and the national Leagues haven't playing in front of empty stadiums for most is virtually impossible to sustain.

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am damn glad div 1 voted to end the season,

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Andy,
Its sensationalism to blame covid for Wigan's problems.
Here's the truth.

when asked by BBC Radio Manchester how big an impact the coronavirus pandemic has had on the situation, Stanley said: "I don't think it's played a massive part in terms of the way the club's been run, because the club's been run very well.

"The funding that was due to come in from the owners didn't come in. I've had no contact with the owners and I don't know why the funding didn't come in.

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Your probably right not just in football but across businesses some will use Covid as an excuse but don't let it blindside you to the problems in every business it has and is creating shame because people are desperate for some normality, pubs for example not one person I have talked to sorry apart from one is planning to pay them a visit any time soon.

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Rumours and I state rumours from Coventry local rag about two possible re start dates for Championship one back end of August other mid September if it was it would be under current guidelines and behind closed doors.

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I am a businessman mate. No one blind sides me working in the law.

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Well done.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1241628]Your probably right not just in football but across businesses some will use Covid as an excuse

yes, those who had problems right back in march. thought wigan had financial problems anyway before anyone heard of corona virus. could it be possible that they are looking for the league to be kind to them in points deductions if they blame the virus and not previous situations.

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know time is dragging for a lot of us but look what has happened in the last 10 weeks to now. so much could change for the better and we need to be more positive about things. never thought i,d be in the glass half full section of the community.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1241641]Very good point and if in the next very crucial couple of months if for instance 10 or 12 clubs drop into administration will they receive a 12 points deduction some very hard and crucial decision,s could have to be made and with EFL,s handling of the Bury and Bolton fiasco it could be a bumby ride.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1241641]They've played well since the restart mate.
I think they believe they can get 13 points more than the relegation total and survive.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1241643]They cannot randomly change the rules.
Everyone dropping into Administration will receive their punishment.

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[QUOTE=Twenty Eight;1241650]Well in my opinion they well and truly bent them in Bolton and Bury,s case.

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If that was the case why didn't Bury or Bolton raise legal proceedings alleging just that ?

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A very good Client of ours was desperate to help Bury and put a package forward to save them - subject to due diligence.
What was uncovered during that due diligence was jaw dropping.
He walked away.
All this "we didn't know what not one, but two owners were up to" isn't exactly a strong case is it ?
Unless serious sanctions are applied in each and every case there will be carnage.
People forget what happened at Leicester City.
Wiped their debts when relegated with no punishment by going into administration and bounced straight back into the Premier League the following season spending well and retaining Premiership players on Premiership terms..
Fast forward 13 years - Champions.

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Well I presume in Bolton,s case they got what they wanted in Bury,s case what Dale is up to anybody,s guess but he is a very shrewd operator.

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Par for course seems like one rule for one and one rule for another in Accy,s case god forbidden if we run into trouble I let you guess which one.

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[QUOTE=Twenty Eight;1241650]without any punishments clubs whose owners want to get out would use the virus situation as their get out clause. there are far more owners that are not trustworthy than there is andy holts.

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EFL chairman Rick Parry apparently filmed by a Wigan fan discussing rumours of a bet by owners placing a bet in the Philippines on them being relegated pressure now being put on his suitablity for his position plonker.

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Reports coming out of Wigan this morning saying administrator,s only going to pay 20% of players wages this month, worst obviously than expected players in these circumstances can choose to exit their contracts and leave.

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Not at all, before Leicester went into administration 26 other clubs did. none were deducted points as there was no rule.

The rule only came in at the end of 2004 and all clubs going into administration have been deducted points, even when they tried to fiddle it by saying it is a holding company and not the club.

Bradford been in admin 3 times before the rules from the 1980s onwards and not punished.

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I believe it was slightly earlier than that as unless i.m wrong Carlisle were the first club to suffer the consequences of the new rules.

But Leicester is a pretty unique and extreme case where due to the timing they effectively put the whole cost of building their new stadium into the administration meaning they paid only about a tenth of what it actually cost.

Then about 5 years later evidence backing this up came to light and the former directors one of the construction companies that went bust due to what happened threatened to sue them and they agreed to settle out of court

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middlesbrough also have a murky past and bristol city in the 80,s.

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Looking likely that the casino owning sharp suits that purchased Wigan and fooled the EFL played the stock market and walked away with a fortune. According to the administration team at Wigan saying the case is unusual and there is an empty pot left.

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EFL looking like egg on their faces yet again as more stories emerge from the Wigan fiasco are they really fit for purpose, these people are in negotiations to navigate us back to the new season God help us.

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The E.F.L, are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

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Sadly F.C.Owestry Town folding up due to current circumstances so sad not long ago we were at that kind of level there will be a lot more follow as well I,m afraid.

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Very true andy I'm afraid there could be some long established football clubs struggle to keep afloat under the present circumstances

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think these teams below the national leagues north and south will be the ones that will suffer in the end. lots of them rely on the club house being open and renting this off for events. no millionaire foreign owner and run by volunteers. mind you i doubt we will hear about it unless they still have a local paper in their area. these clubs may only have a couple of hundred fans on a good day but are more important to their community than some pointless text from a premier league player thats would be back page headline news.

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I see Darragh MacAnthony of Peterborough having a whinge about the twice weekly cost of testing to his 15 players/staff back in work same person only last week saying he was keen to get back playing but the usual dissenting voices were keen to keep hibernateing until crowds back. You can bet we were one of those but he needs to make his mind up or has he got his sums wrong.

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Another government briefing today on the next steps on things opening interesting that outdoor theatres allowed to open with distancing measures in place in the audience, no mention for football etc:- yet but if the EFL voting for start of season which I think is next week gets a yes vote it's looking like September 12th it will surely be reduced crowds with strict guidelines.

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Said all along 26 September we’ll all be back.

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Hope you are right but I have been hearing the Premier League and other sports have been discussing with government and health officials start date of September 12th with 30 to 50% crowds all wearing masks and opening stadia 3 hours before kickoff, would personally prefer your option.

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a week later than what i thought, but whats just one week. quicker the fixtures are out after the play off finals then it will give clubs a bit of a goal to concentrate on. fans also might become more positive about the situation also.

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The season my start earlier but I reckon by 26th fans will be back.
I'd prefer to wait but what do I know.

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what does any of us know? sod all really.

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Seems a bit early with two premier league teams possibly playing on the 23rd August, unless they are more or less playing straight through.

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To meet TV deal requirements they need 34 weekend matches fitted in also need to finish before Euro,s they will probably ditch the Carabo cup and FA cup replays they wanted that anyway.

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Carabao Cup will not be "ditched"; far too lucrative to EFL and their members (clubs)

FA Cup replays "might" be under threat earlier in the Competition; but nothing agreed.

Championship and PL "close" season's will be very short, as very little room for manovoure with the European Championships being moved back from this summer

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[QUOTE=andyd;1241842 start date of September 12th with 30 to 50% crowds all wearing masks and opening stadia 3 hours before kickoff, would personally prefer your option.[/QUOTE]

if we have to go to games all looking like extras from holby city then they can count me out for one.

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[QUOTE=Mr T;1241854]Carabao Cup will not be "ditched"; far too lucrative to EFL and their members (clubs)

that cup is but where are they going to fit all the fixtures in. i do not know how the sponsor would feel, but the ideal thing would be to start at round 3 with the same teams there as for last season. those who never made it could get the money they received last season. same with the FA cup for non league clubs. start at round one proper with the same sponsorship as clubs got last season who didn,t make it.

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Like Cashman says nobody knows for sure what is going to happen, but IMHO if we are as a population going to be guided by the Covid alert system which is currently at level 3 to me limits on all walks of life including full crowds back at football won't happen until we move to level 1, which is no presence of the virus in the country or a vaccine.