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Sorry to be the one to bring this up but it's looking like it's only a matter of time before the government decides on banning large social gatherings, will this mean regarding EFL games being behind closed doors or suspending the season. I personally think if it happens it will be the first choice no spectators which unfortunately could shove some clubs to the abyis and potential oblivion.

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This will affect season tickets

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Same for any commercial enterprise Andy.
However if appropriate Insurance is in place and as a consequence of the Government announcing this is a notifiable disease then compensation can be paid.
Do we have business interruption cover is the question.

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if we go down the route of lockdown and enforced isolation, inc the cancelling of events, there will surely be untold financial misery for everyone and other unintended consequences across the world.

I'm not sure what's the best route? older people self isolating (eg, over 70s not going to games) is an option - daft as it might have sounded at one point. At least it keeps the rest of the world moving, but still leads to a lot of death over a longer period of time.
No isolation at all and accept we are going to see a lot of death in a shorter period of time and a swamped NHS but get it over with.
Total lockdown - might work like it appears to be working in china/korea, but still might not work, might just drag out the inevitable for years, might screw everything else up and no idea how long for.

It brings into play morality, the inevitability of death and disease, economics and, whether it's even OK to discuss some of the harder options given the huge backlash from virtue signallers.

Seems Andy Holt is firmly in favour of lockdown and cancelling games. Which is great that he does not seem guided by the personal short term financial situation. If everyone thinks beyond their own personal situation that's got to be good.

Anyway.... got to dash, I've got a trolley full of pasta and bog roll I've got to pay for.

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This is getting stupid.
There are over 60 million people in this country.....13,000 or more will dir from a dose of flu.
This does not hit the headlines.
Yet a few people die of Coronavirus(allegedly as all of them had underlying health conditions) and the media frenzy instil fear and panic into everybody.....or at least those who swallow what the media pump out.
Common sense, it seems, is not common....it should be labelled a super power.

Sensible precautions are the 'dish of the day'.....and stop the media from reporting on this and nothing else.
I am sick....sick of hearing about it....so I am going to,self isolate and listen to no news, read no crappy papers.....and my life will be better.

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Andy's thoughts are clear from his Twitter postings. This is what he said on Radio 4:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000g4ys

Start at 2:28:44.

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Margaret - the comparisons to annual mortality for influenza and other conditions aren't really valid I'm afraid. The biggest issue is how contagious it is in comparison to most respiratory viral infections. It is approx 3 times more contagious than seasonal influenza on current estimates, but this is likely an underestimate based on figures from Italy. Most people won't get flu during a 'bad' flu year, but coronavirus may result in the majority of the public becoming infected, with a fairly high mortality rate in the elderly and those with chronic health conditions.

Lord D - stopping the elderly population going to games wouldn't be effective. If transmitted to a large population at games, it greatly increases the odds of transmission onto the general population including the elderly. Think of it as similar the herd community concept with vaccinations (just sort of in reverse).

Sorry but I think we may reach a point where large crowds are banned in the relatively near future.

I get being sick of the dramatic headlines in newspapers. The reality is in hospitals a LOT of contingency planning is currently taking place.

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I was not using it as a comparison per se(I am not saying anything about the transmission rates, just that seasonal flu kills, but rarely gets mentioned....so I hope that point is clear)...only using it as an example of the hyperbole employed by the media...the overkill, the language being used is the kind that is designed to whip up unrest and panic.
It is doing just that.

The experts are giving forth opinions....but really they know little about the situation (or how it will play out) it is mainly conjecture and looking at what has happened in other places.

It is looking a bit like this is a bio-engineered virus....make of that what you will.
I suppose the Extinction Rebellion crowd will be happy....fewer flights, fewer car journeys, a pruning of the population....Greta Thunberg might even have a smile on her face.

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Don’t think so, Margaret, she strikes me as being the youngest ever user of Botox!!

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The conspiracy theory around it being bio engineered has been widely discredited.

Based on my experience, the knowledge basis for this virus is actually already pretty good, there's a reasonably large case series produced from China, Italy etc.

Man City vs Arsenal cancelled tonight, but more due to concerns over the players and other staff at the club, rather than the spectators. Playing games behind closed doors may not be possible either at this rate. Makes me wonder if this continues whether the season is declared void if fixtures aren't completed in a reasonable time.

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I feel ever more convinced that lockdown isn’t going to work. China looks to be beating the virus, but as soon as it returns to normal what then?
Do we face months, years of life being **** with the same end result? The more I look at this the more I try to think of myself as a frail 85 year old. How do I want to live my last few years? Not in lockdown, not seeing my children facing financial ruin, not getting bad medical care because everyone is fighting the virus in vain.
Think I’d take my chances and hope that if CV gets me it will still be better than being kept alive in pain with some other disease.
No easy answers.

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Italian football authorities have announced this morning that their season might have to finish as it stands if there is no improvement, we here will hopefully not have as bad an outbreak but God forbid we do I think the Italian football model is one we will probably follow.

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Tom,

If the season is void does that mean Bolton's points deduction is maintained next season ?
Do Leeds say "thanks for that you've just robbed us of Premiership riches" ?
Do West Ham say "thanks for that we've %%% up royally but still a Premier club" ?
As for Liverpool .......................
The list is endless.
No chance of the leagues being declared void.
The FA and EFL have already had a meeting with their legal people for advice on the potential of being sued by clubs should they do so.

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The Fa and EFL are quite literally useless anyway now they are in uncharted waters and personally I wouldn't rule out the season being void depending on severity of the outbreak next 2 weeks will be crucial least of all for a game of football but for everyone's health and wellbeing.

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Purpose of stopping large public gatherings of any sort is intended for containment and mitigation of spread of the virus. The idea being that if we can stop a large spike in new cases, particularly amongst patients requiring hospital admissions and intensive care, the whole situation is more manageable as it is spread out over a longer period. It may not result in the overall incidence of COVID-19 being dramatically different without these extreme measures, so in a way you're right, but that's not really it's intended purpose.

Like I alluded to before in my other post, a lot of measures aren't taken with the individual in mind, but as a mitigation strategy for the general population.

On the subject of priorities, football drops down significantly as we enter the next stage in disease management. If a void season isn't practical, maybe a delayed start to next season and a reduction in fixtures i.e. not holding the trophy may be the way forward.

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Lord D, as a relatively healthy 75yr old, like you, I do not wish to live my remaining years in lockdown etc.
For me, the dilemma is... do I still attend Stanley, knowing that there could be one of my fellow supporters that could possibly pass on CV to me?
Or, could I, unwittingly, be an unknown carrier, & pass it on to some other unfortunate colleague?
Would it be selfish to say ‘bo**ox’, I’m going to Whambley, come what may?
Que sera, sera!
What will be, will be!

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No way should the season be declared ‘void’, resulting in the ‘status quo’ of last season.
I feel that the 2020 Euros should be abandoned, allowing a suspension of not only PL & EFL, leagues temporarily, but also all other EU leagues .
The postponed games can then be completed after the normal end of the season.... who is that bothered about Euros anyway?

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Yonmon, you are taking the precautions that you feel are the right ones for you....and anything else would be daft.
Everyday life is a risk, but you have to decide for yourself if that risk is worth taking or not.

I am still of the opinion that the press and the media have created fear in the population....and that in itself disrupts the immune system.
If it has your number on it...you will get it on a letter, a delivered package or from someone you meet in your everyday life.

Perspective, precaution and a healthy respect are the watchwords.

Yesterday worldwide there were 127,890 confirmed cases....and there have been 4,300 or so deaths....this WORLDWIDE.(now, before you shoot me down in flames....there may be many more who have mild/no symptoms and are thinking they have a 'cold')

In this country we have 60.7 million population and so far 8 people have died.....all,of them elderly with underlying medical issues.
We need to stay real...get a grip....panic paralyses, common sense is to be proactive

Yes this virus has the POTENTIAL TO KILL, but there is a 103 year old lady in China who contracted this and has recovered.

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Get her signed up and bring her on at Pompey! ;)

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this self isolation or stopping indoors as i call it surely cannot keep germs at bay either. they must be able to escape your house and enter it unless it is completely air free and you have your own supply of oxygen. think the media has caused fear in people not by the fear of them contracting the virus but in the fear of them actually passing it on. only the latter would stop me from attending football and not the former.

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MH....as things stand, you have more chance of a passenger plane dropping out of the sky on you(and these are getting fewer if you watch the skies) than getting this virus.

This is not to say that you need disregard the risk.
All I am saying is......the risk is minuscule right now....so live cheerful, not fearful!

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Government just moved us to the delay stage no ban on sports meetings yet but are considering it if new cases of infections continue to rise so only a matter of time will it be behind closed doors or a pause in season or in worst case scenario end of season, also Uefa considering Euro 2020 moved to 2021.

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Way Andy Holt is tweeting in a rage he could we'll decide what Stanley do regardless of the useless EFL and government.

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Apparently Stanley traveling down tomorrow so game on but the club is to announce tomorrow any season ticket holders who wish to self isolate and want to stay away for the remaining home fixtures can and will if they so choose have a refund.Also expect after this weekend Andy Holt to do what he thinks is best for the club players,staff and supporters.

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Yes ASFC are heading down South tomorrow AM

Players and staff have been checked and updated on the "dos and don'ts"

We're in full contact with NHS, FA, PL and EFL and following their advice

Andy has his personnel views

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Very good stay safe.

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Andy has messaged saying tomorrow season ticket holders can get a refund on season tickets from the games left if they want to sit football out due to the virus

Tomorrow @ASFCofficial will put out details of how our supporters can get a refund on their season tickets, pro rata for the number of games left this season.

If any supporters wish to sit football out for a while, details for refunds will be released by the club tomorrow.

God bless.

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Andy Holt has confirmed this morning he has postponed’ the team coach travelling down to Portsmouth.

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Arsenal manager got it several players in self isolation played Pompey recently call it off now in fact all football should be suspended now before the virus reaches its peak.

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Premier League phone meeting today at 10-30am most likely outcome short term suspension of season my guess is EFL will follow what their masters decide.

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With the overnight news it's now a case of waiting in Accy to get more information, but the Arsenal information will make a big change IMHO

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According to inside journalists looks like a suspension untill April 4th hopefully that will be enough in the lap of the Gods I'm afraid.

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It's official now, all football fixtures suspended until 3rd April at the earliest (4th for Premiership)

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Unfortunately Barnet FC have put all non-playing staff on notice of redundancy not nice news for those affected but I fear could just be the start of many clubs following suit.

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I suspect when all this is over and that's anyone's guess without support from footballing,s governing bodies quite a few clubs will have gone so further complicating end of season scenarios, also contracts and transfer windows, budgets in meltdown could end up with a lot of casualties here.

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quite possible, but what happens, happens and sod all we can do about it only use common sense, so dont see the point in bothering about it to be honest.

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Just keeping a thread going in uncertain times,also in Andy Holt,s business empire Stanley won,t be top of the list if God forbid it starts to slide I think Andy,s business model is quite sound and with the new government help should hopefully be ok.

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Very quiet on this forum is everyone on self isolating or have aliens from Morecambe really took Accrington over?

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Errr, maybe folk are waiting for some football to argue about?

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EFL just announced. Football off until Thursday 30th April......so next scheduled game is Wycombe at home on the following Sunday 3rd May...unless we get another announcement....:(

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Could be a very long wait I,m afraid.

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If it did start again on this date with 8 games for most clubs left some have more so 4 weeks in reality to complete end of May, any further delays will lead to encroaching on next season creating all sorts of challenges and problems but in the grand scheme of things its probably way down most people's priorities.

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2020 / 2021 can start in October and extend to June 2021 ?
What is most worrying is the players whose contracts expire 30 June 2020 should it take longer than then to finish the season. Some may already have pre contract agreements in place effective 1 July 2020. Not sure of the contractual position with the loanees either.
Bit of a mess ..........

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Lots of work on the admin front and a few rules will need amending.

Pre-contract agreements aren't worth owt!!

Only asked to do one in 8 years. Spoke to the FA and EFL about where to send it to; still waiting for an answer!! :rolleyes:

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Getting serious now all pubs, clubs and restaurants to remain shut from midnight tonight for at least a month so this season might not finish next season.

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Distancing measures introduced by government and being practiced in supermarkets etc:- could be enforced for up to the end of the year nobody knows we're this is going or when it will end, if and when football and sports return can't see it being the same as when it was shut down.

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Mark
What’s your take on the contracts that expire 30 June if the season extends into July ?

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Pre contracts not worth anything ?
Windass ?
Crooks ?
Mingoia ?

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Which July Twenty Eight 2020 or 2021 this is serious **** I think in the coming weeks football authorities will have some alarming issues to deal with unfortunately I can see a lot of footballers being out of work.

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if that case goes the same way for sporting events then this season may carry on till 2021 before it gets back underway just to finish it. for supporters it will go two ways. one that they,ll watch any form of football and others will have lost the habit for life. at the moment i,m bored to death and it isn,t like summer where you are used to lack of football anyway. in history football has only been around a relatively short time and people must have found other ways on their 1 day off a week to amuse themselves.

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Aware of the Rangers "issue" but never saw the paperwork
Not aware of anything with P
The only one I was asked to "sort" sat in a drawer for 6 months as the FA and EFL said such agreements were of no interest to them. They couldn't enforce them and it would be a private matter between the 2 parties

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That's the uncharted area which would cause the main issues, hence the thoughts are to conclude the season, if at all possible prior to then

Will that be possible or sensible?? No idea but reducing the risks and closing as much down as possible seems the only solution at present.

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Could bring the Sean Mc thread back up

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Are people still renewing or buying season tickets with all this uncertainty?

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Championship clubs talking about capping players wages at £6000 a week to help them stay afloat during this crisis.

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Steady away, which is a massive help to the club with no other regular income

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How will the poor devils manage? :rolleyes:

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Not all of the 'Prima Donnas' are bad......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51990098

Magnificent gesture :)

:) :) :)

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Hi family-hope you are all free of this pesky virus. With talk of declaring the season 'Null and Void', it made me wonder if the decision to expel Bury FC becomes 'Null and Void' as well? Anyone know?

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I've not thought of that Kiwi but to me it has been a dreadful season, to start with the problems at Bury and Bolton caused a great deal of uncertainty over League 1 and how many teams were going to be releagated and then when Bury finally went I felt very sorry for them as we had been in similiar a position to them on several occasions. The season started without Billy Kee and then realized that he would probaly not return, then McConville was seriouly injured and, whatever you think about him, we are not the same team without him. Finally Coronavirus comes and ruins what was already a difficult season. So yes I am missing the football and feeling pretty down.

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this last couple of weeks have been like an eternity for me. feel really sorry for folk who are more or less stopping indoors who like meeting and chatting with other folk. some at my over 50,s club have no close family and its the only time they really meet others a couple of days a week. think no one really has taken peoples mental states into consideration.

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its better to go nuts, than pop yer clogs, neither are good but lesser of 2 evils.

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Some of us are already nuts Cashy after all we watch Stanley stay safe then hopefully we can be nuts again and watch the Reds again.

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Like others, I'm missing football. I don't even know what day it is!

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With self distancing expected to last at least until the end of the year what will happen to football and other sports, sadly me thinks it may never be the same again.

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Football and other sports will recover. So will society.

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not sure about society, this has shown how many MORONS we have in it.

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Yes hopefully they will but just can't see every football club surviving a long break,lots were at financial breaking point anyway.

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Club shop, offices and stadium to shut untill further notice from closing time today very scary times good luck everyone stay safe.

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EFL say that they want to complete this season so has promotion and relegation won't be compromised, but they say the £50 million safety net for clubs will cover 3 months of inactivity but also said it could be 18 months before any football is played. No idea were they get their estimated time lapse from just think they are preparing worst case scenario.

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For me, next season has gone.......... this season MUST be completed and all ups/downs sorted :)

When all said and done, this is so much BIGGER than football... :)

STAY SAFE PEOPLE!!!!

:) :) :)

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Well said good post I agree season finished is best option unfortunately nobody knows when it will be safe to do so and it will probably be behind closed doors, so that doesn't help clubs financial position sadly some might have gone to the wall by then making ending the season problematic. Let's all just stay safe and hopefully we'll be back to some normality sooner rather than later.

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joking apart the longer this stay indoors is with us i,m afraid there are going to be many who develop mental health issues and those with em might get worse. actually its something that bothers me more than the virus as people are entering an unknown being close to bored partners and even bored and noisier than normal kids around 24 hours a day without a break. going to make the christmas and new year period feel like a blip for family harmony.

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Step 5 and 6 in the football pryamid to have their season's finished now with promotion and relegation either decided or season declared null and void maybe clearing the way for the rest of football, because it's becoming clear this crisis isn't going anywhere soon.

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I take it, this is what you are referring to andyd??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52026302

These teams are almost the bottom Clubs in football...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis..._league_system

but, maybe - as you say - the start/shape of what is to come.......... stay safe people :)

:) :) :)

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Another superb gesture - whether he has £££££, or not.........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52028743

:) :) :)

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Leeds United to discuss wage cap salaries with the players as they envisage hard times financially ahead.

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at least something good and sensible eventually coming out of that club. high wages have probably caused more financial problems for teams than anything else. teams with few fans having to compete for players with those who get 10 times more and getting into terminal death due to it.

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I presume you meant terminal debt MH, damn predictive text eh :)

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Championship clubs after only a few weeks in serious trouble wages to players and agents demands are beginning to have the kind of impact that the sudden loss of TV money would have done this crisis is coming home to roost for many clubs being run recklessly not just lower leagues but up at the prima Donna's end as I have said before football could change forever.

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From our Club......

https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...e-coronavirus/

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The National League have today asked the FA if the season can now be finished main reason being quoted so that they can look at contracts and prepare financially for whenever football starts up again. I for one think they are proposing a sensible way forward mainly because if football doesn't act soon as businesses a lot will just not survive.

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seems to me a sensible way to go for small clubs, how will it work for the lads who are on loan.?

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Work in progress

Big on line conference meeting yesterday; it's mad but all things are being discussed

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I personally think football at all levels should make the sensible decision season null and void which as every day that passes becomes more obvious due to players health regarding behind closed doors games were does the 2 metres rule work, officials and club employees well being forget Liverpool won't win it so what people's lives at stake here make the right IMHO decision now.

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I would rather finish this season - at some stage - and lose next season to be honest :)

:) :) :)

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When I say lose next season, I mean find a way of shortening it, 1 round of games maybe??

Do something with the cups??

Granted, we do not know when football can start again, so it is hard to make plans, but null and voiding what has gone, would be the last thing I would vote for... just my opinion :)

:) :) :)

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i agree 100% with joe on this.

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The best scenario would be for the outbreak just to blowover but it's looking unlikely the FA,EFL and whoever else control football have to make a decision soon otherwise a lot of clubs will fold. If that's the case then whatever system they conjour up will be irrelevant anyway, null and void would be best way to protect the critical clubs.By the way Germany,s big clubs offering big money to help lower leagues their can,t see that happening here unfortunately.

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You are more than likely correct, but, maybe, just maybe, this terrible situation, might just focus people...... let us hope :)

STAY SAFE PEOPLE

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Interesting article in today's LET about Bacup Borough who play in the North West Counties league their chairman Brent Peters who talks a lot of sense says it takes around £65,000 a year not making a profit to run Bacup for a season.No revenue streams coming in he says Bacup will only survive if his personal business can stop operational but he remains optimistic.

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It's been announced this afternoon that all leagues below the National League & National Leagues North & South have agreed to end the season now & for all results to be expunged ready for a fresh start once this nightmare is over

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Personally think that they have done the right thing, Barrows manager saying that they should be allowed promotion to the football league otherwise they might not survive but apparently their chairman has thrown the preverbial kitchen sink financially on gaining promotion thus gambling with the club,s future this and other arguments like it further up the pryamid shouldn't sway authorities decision,s and null and void this season and start again with what clubs remain and it's safe to do so is the correct way.

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Barrow might still be going up. This decision only applies to leagues below the National Leagues.

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I know that but about time the rest of football followed suit.

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Whilst I can see the sense in that decision, does that mean Bolton start on -12 next season, otherwise this seasons punishment will mean thay have got away with it.

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Which is why I am of the opinion - rightly, or wrongly - that this season HAS to be completed, what happens next............???? I doubt that anybody knows...

STAY SAFE PEOPLE

:) :) :)

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Does it honestly really matter I love football as much as the next guy or woman but get real NHS staff and essential workers will have to put their lives on the line everyday they go to work while this crap lasts football really doesn't matter at present it will hopefully resume at some point in what format will do for most fans I would hope.

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While I agree with you Andy that, putting things in perspective, football is way down on any list of priorities I also think that it does us all good to still discuss things as we usually would, to give us that bit of normality in times which are definitely the most 'un-normal'

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Confirmation of a further extension to suspension........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...nced-week.html

:) :) :)