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Stating the obvious I know, but all of this between Andy and Coley and Co.

Unless they can get back on track - which I doubt very, very much - there will be one loser only and we are that one.............



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From the B.B.C.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67187586

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Airing their dirty laundry on social media is not the way to sort this, if indeed it can be sorted. Seriously worrying times for our club :(

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Sounds like a classic case of biting the hand that feeds you.

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Given the propensity of most owners to sack managers after a few losses, it might have behoved Jimmy Bell and John Coleman to be a bit more contrite after last season’s debacle.
Many owners would have sacked them both, I suspect.
If what’s been written by Andy Holt is true then Bell and Coleman have clearly forgotten the old adage that no-one is bigger than the club, and have been either arrogant or stupid, or both, as regards their “right” to remain in their current job.

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Think Dan Jewell and Andy Bayes will have put some spin on the original discussion
with Bell and made things sound worse.

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obviously a worrying situation but I don't think commenting on the accyweb is going to help our club

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WHY do you think that?

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In support of the management team. Unfortunately they probably didn't expect the response currently received.

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I bet they didn't my friend.
One the one hand we have a man who invested his hard earned cash in saving our club from bankruptcy, developed the ground from an embarrassing hovel into a decent stadium.
On the other we have two entitled men who appear to be demanding a reward for failure.
In the long run, I know who I'd prefer to remain in charge.

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Whatever the rights and wrongs of this situation, playing it all out on social media is just plain wrong!

I'm flabbergasted that a successful, intelligent businessman has chosen this road to go down.

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Wise words...........


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He didn't. Bell and Coleman went public and spoke to the Media about contract negotiations behind Andy's back, instead of acting like men and knocking on Andy Holts door to discuss the future. I'd expect it from a foolish young player or a player who has an inflated opinion of himself, and we've had that recently at our club. But not two experienced managers who've been here many years. It's not clear how much John new before Bell spoke to BBC Sport, but as they are so close it's difficult to imagine he didn't know. Only he can distance himself from Bell's comments.

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That businessman chose a road that has saved the club and get it to where it is now. It seems it was Jimmy Bell who put things into the public realm by agreeing to, or requesting, a ‘chat’ with the BBC.
I was glad to hear Andy Holt’s side of the story, and thought he spoke very fairly and clearly.
It would appear that Bell was trying to pressurise his boss into giving him and the coaching team new contracts when AH had simply said that, rather than rewarding them for failure last season, he wanted to see how things went this season under their existing contracts.
After last season’s results the only person to suffer any consequences seemed to be Ged Brennan who, ironically, managed squads that won the Central League and got to finals.

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With who Ged played for he was always going to get it off a united fan. Not that you or Holt are united fans, no way....

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What are you wittering on about?
Don’t know (like you) anything about Andy Holt but I haven’t been a United fan since Denis Law left them.

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It's the way of the modern world.

Simple question really.

Having failed and secured relegation last season on what basis did either deserve a pay rise / new contract ?

If I'm reading this correctly our Management have suggested to the Owner pre season there was a chance we could go down again and out of the league.

Quite reasonably in my humble opinion Owner has said ok prove yourselves and if we're comfortable by the turn of the year let's talk.

I sense that someone's been whispering in their ear and there might be interest elsewhere. That would amaze me personally but what other motivation is there for stirring the hornets nest and going public like this ?

Success should be rewarded but not failure.

If the sale of the Club is an extended period of "due diligence" and there's not much interest this dos not bode well.

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I agree 28, and I really liked what AH said too. We had 45 players over the season, and went down, and the blame has to lie with the management on that. Nothing else. So AH is right in saying. We can't go down again as Accrington won't survive. What's good if the mangers have nothing to fight towards because they think the contract is always going to be on the table. So by removing that. AH is saying. We accept last season. Now let's fight for the season, and show why you deserve another contract.

Am not taking anything away from JC and JB. What they have done at accrington is nothing short of a miracle.

Not one person whether you like AH or not. Can deny what he's done for the club on and off the pitch. Just look what's being built and has been. If this is his time. Then that's his choice. I hope it's not. But I can see why it made him angry. Any manager who got a team relegated would have been sacked. Look how many have been sacked this season. But we kept with JC and JB. Rightly so.

All we can do. Is get on the terrace. Flags out, making noise, supporting the team, management, owners.

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Hi 28, glad to see your post. You lways provide something new to a discusion. The only positive in this bad situation is that Andy Holt was an Accrington fan long before he became our owner. I don't believe he'd ditch the club before a new acceptable owner comes along. I hope he steps back from some of the day to day "match day stuff" that he gets involved with if that helps the pressure on him and his time. As for the football management, the contract situation will solve itself in June next year. Future management of the football team could come from either: An adaptation of the current set-up ( minus Bell and or Coleman), a current senior player or players or a new face from outside of the club. Andy's in the driving seat.......I'm glad to say.....and I'll support him no matter what he decides to do.

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The players were over two squads and yes some - maybe more than some - were not good enough.

Regardless of that - and not through Stanley/Coley and Co. glasses - injuries last season were off the scale, as were some of the decisions by the officials.

Coley and Co. also made bad decisions.

As the thread title says, we just do not need this, as as far as I can see, it will not end well for Stanley............. :(



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Also, the stance taken by Andy (contract wise) is a good one, but none of us should have known about it......


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Let me make my position clear. I agree 100% that the achievements of JC JB are nothing more than miraculous up until last season ......... but this is football. No space for sentiment loyalty etc - if you want that buy a dog. However loyalty is a two way street not a pale blue background with a white arrow on it.

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As the thread title says, we just do not need this, as as far as I can see, it will not end well for Stanley............. :(

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As Andy Holt has made his posiion clear about selling the club, I can only assume you mean Coley and Bell will be tempted away to a new club by the offer of a new (better) contract .........maybe taking the better players with them?

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well who told them? it sure was NOT andy holt.it was our so called management.

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As Andy Holt has made his position clear about selling the club, I can only assume you mean Coley and Bell will be tempted away to a new club by the offer of a new (better) contract .........maybe taking the better players with them?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Just can't get my head around why JB JC have gone to the BBC. Something's triggered this. As for the players that's way down the Agenda of importance.
1/ Ownership of the Club and financial stability
2/ Management and Backroom Staff

Emotions are clearly running high. Maybe everyone will kiss and make up I don't know.

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I wouldn’t want to kiss any of ‘em! :rolleyes:

But if it hasn’t already occurred, I’d suggest one way to calm things down is for Jimmy Bell to order a portion of humble pie and clarify, to AH directly, that his ‘staged’ interview with the BBC was not intended to imply criticism of the latter.

What particularly jarred with me was when JB said how gutted he and JC were to ‘have to leave’ Stanley in early 2012. Presume he means leave them in the lurch as it was mid season and both of them jumped ship to Rochdale because it suited them and their careers at the time.

Just out of interest, here’s a list of managers were then available to replace Coleman and Bell in 2012. Does JB think it would be any different today?

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No C.G. I mean, there is nothing good to come out of this for anybody and that includes us..... :(


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Andy told them Cashy and that is the correct thing to have happened :)

And by that I mean Andy told Coley and Co. they had to prove their worth - that is what I have taken from the Twitter posts by Andy?!?!?!

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In reply to #23 C.G. :)

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Why is there so much talk about getting relegated out of the League????

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so whats wrong with that?we can all make excuses about injuries last season but we had 45 players.how many were actually injured? when our management failed to encourage the players when sat on the wall.after half time or does that not count?

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Nothing wrong with Andy telling them.

The stuff all over the Internet is damaging to the Club.

Plenty of players were injured.

Seamus being the stand out miss of last season.

With everything that went wrong last season, we still only just went down by the skin of our teeth......

Coley and Co. have worked miracles over the last 20 years.

Andy has been brilliant for the Club in recent times.



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Posted on 29/01/2023, from the 'injuries' thread :)


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Time we all got back to doing what we enjoy the most.........Supporting our team. .........Thank you to all those travelling south tonight supporting Stanley.........

And let's make an extra effort to muster extra support at the Wham Stadium on Saturday against Colchester. Bring your Granny, your wife/husband, partner, neighbour, nephew/neice, your friend, cousin, your girlfriend/boyfriend, son or daughter...............
..BRING THEM ALL!......... .......YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU LIKE NEVER BEFORE!!!!!!

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Just out of interest - and this is a genuine question - why are we losing so much money???

Last season must have been one of the best for gate income?

Five season in League one mush have help financially?

Sponsorship must be at the highest level ever?

Kayden, Colby, Dion and Janoi brought in over £3M.



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Is it just down to wasting money?????

Too many staff - every department seems to a Manager??

Playing budget???

Long(er) contracts???

Just wondering?????



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in fact hes been the best of all.

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All of the above probably plus fines, and medical/physio fees.

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Assume it'll be Player Budget. Would assume that's the single biggest cost. Just hope Andy's malkind profits elsewhere and the Corporate Structure of the WHAM Group allows him to offset Stanley's losses against profits elsewhere saving corporation tax.

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Don't Wilko's owe him £300K+?

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My two penn'orth fwiw ... agree entirely this uncertainty is obviously not what we need, especially just as results start to be looking up.

• Without AH, we wouldn't have a football club that is in a comparatively stable and (as far as we know) debt-free financial position.
  
  
• Without JC and JB, we wouldn't have had a club in the Football League at any point in the last 18 years, let alone all of the last 18 years.
  
  
• If either the owner or management have "lost the fans", they can only be those "fans" who think it's a disgrace to play in League 2, as opposed to those of us who know that in fact it's a blooming miracle.

All that said, given last season's slide through the League 1 trapdoor, which at almost any other club would have seen the management team given the old heave-ho, I can't imagine how JB (and presumably JC) could possibly expect to be offered a new contract before proving last season was a blip. Which, thankfully, they now seem to be doing after a somewhat shaky start.

Fear 1 is that if JC and JB go, relegation follows as only they can make this work.

Fear 2 is that if AH goes, a new owner will want shot of JC and JB, producing the same result.

So my fingers are firmly crossed that things settle down and the status quo can prevail. Watching this space ....

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Well put Chimer :)

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Well my two penneth worth is that after watching the JB interview i.m amazed that he thinks that they would be getting a new 3 or 4 years contract on improved terms.

If it were not for the Kudos they have earned over the last 18 years and the upheaval that it would cause prior to what will be a very important season that could well dictate Accys future for the next decade I think it would have been quite reasonable for them to have been given the order of the boot in the summer.

I.m very surprised that they were ever on 4 year contracts I don't see what the club has to gain from that why not just put them on a rolling 12 month contract as its pretty clear there's no PL clubs coming to snap them up and it gives them a bit of security because I think if AH wanted rid I don't think hed not bother in the slightest what time they had remaining on their contracts.

The bit that I didn't get not being there was the stuff about AH losing the fans on Saturday was that correct ? Was it the result of the JC/JB interviews or did something else happen ?

Unless they kiss and make up very quickly I cant see them lasting the season out as the only other scenario that sees them staying is that AH gets a quick sale from somebody who wants to keep them

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I took the bit about losing the fans as the low gates????


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Unless it is because plenty of people support John and Jimmy because of everything they have done????


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When AH referred to 'losing the fans' perhaps he meant losing the full houses we regularly got in L1 from the bigger visiting clubs.
Can't imagine he meant our own fans. Stanley's home support has remained consistently poor, even after gaining promotion to L1.
Relegation always results in a massive financial loss for any club - and the smaller the club, the more damaging the effect.

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The last few games we have been playing clubs that have poor gates at home so they aint gonna bring a thousand or two.its division 2.

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so those left were not good enough for div 1

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I understood AH talking about “losing the fans” in the same sense as a manager “losing the dressing room”, i.e. personally losing support. So nothing to do with attendance.

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Straight from the horse's mouth...

The 'Price of Football' podcast interview with Andy Holt.

This latest episode was released during the night.

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AH latest post on twitter is interesting;

"As we enter talks with potential owners, the front and centre issue will be asfc academy and asfc community long term health

which is why i took the club on in the first place.

the leaders of both will be involved in any discussions or decisions

the parents that have contacted me can rest assured nothing will be done that damages the status quo

at no price"

Its interesting, who would want to take over accrington. You don't take over in the mind that youll make money, nor are we going rise up the leagues, win every year. You take over accrington for the same reason AH did because you can see what a community club it is, and how many people would be effected if accrington went under. The academy and community part of the club is bigger than its ever been and growing. Coleys bar. Its hard to picture new owners. I wouldnt want to just cycle through managers every 6 months when results dont go right.

I hope the new owners Purchase Accrington for the correct reasons.

That in 4/5 years time we are not lighting candles outside the club house, and sponserd walks to away grounds.

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Thanks for the heads up about the AH interview. I have just listened to it and found it very interesting I now understand AH so much better and know that he intends to look after the interests of the club until a new owner is found and he says that it must be the right new owner i.e. someone who is interested in the entire club.

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Link: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...=1000632776599