What a shame - Page 3

shillelagh · 06-10-2008, 00:06

Does Hyndburn council not look after oakhill park? Another thing the football pitches might come under the leisure trust .........

park381 · 06-10-2008, 06:49

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Originally Posted by Neil

Below is a list of recreation grounds currently maintained by Hyndburn Borough Council as stated on their website. None of which are in Ossy - there may be green spaces that don't belong to HBC like off Fielding Lane but these belong to LCC and Rhyddings School (sort of).

Knuzden is part of Ossy, its in St Oswalds Ward and is served by the councillors Haworth, Hayes, & Roberts. The boundry of St Oswalds ward goes right up to Knuzden Brook which is also the boundry of Hyndburn, so the statement of "None of which are in Ossy" is not correct

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/site/sc...egoryID=200073

Neil · 06-10-2008, 08:56

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Originally Posted by park381

so the statement of "None of which are in Ossy" is not correct

You are of course correct. It is not very accessible for the local kids in my area that we are trying to keep of the streets so they can be somewhere safe though is it?

I have stated many times that youth shelters need to be in several places in Oswaldtwistle as kids are quite territorial and stick to there own areas and group of friends.

Unfortunately The Friends of Rhyddings Park only work in Rhyddings Park.

I really do wish even more people would form community groups within their close areas of Hyndburn and start to tap into some of the resources that HBC can not. There are many already but I am sure many more areas would benefit. I am involved with the park because it is close to me. You too could be involved with a group close to your area and do similar good works, if you are not already.

Where are you and is there a community group for you area?
If there is are you involved?
If not you could always tart your own.

park381 · 06-10-2008, 16:12

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Originally Posted by Neil

You are of course correct. It is not very accessible for the local kids in my area that we are trying to keep of the streets so they can be somewhere safe though is it?

I thought we were talking about kids of secondary school age here, since there is already a "small childrens play area in the park."

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I have stated many times that youth shelters need to be in several places in Oswaldtwistle as kids are quite territorial and stick to there own areas and group of friends.

Youth shelters ? is that a new term

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Unfortunately The Friends of Rhyddings Park only work in Rhyddings Park.

The name of the group suggests that, keep up the good work

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I really do wish even more people would form community groups within their close areas of Hyndburn and start to tap into some of the resources that HBC can not. There are many already but I am sure many more areas would benefit. I am involved with the park because it is close to me. You too could be involved with a group close to your area and do similar good works, if you are not already.
Where are you and is there a community group for you area?
If there is are you involved?
If not you could always tart your own.

No there is no community group where I now live, but I have managed to get a police presence, and a pact meeting in a local pub along with promises of further monthly meetings to be attended by community support officers and a local councillor. That was after contacting a local councillor and indicating that the area is the forgotten area of Hyndburn and there could be serious problems in the future if they were not dealt with now, also that we had never ever seen any police officers or community support officers in the area. May be these meetings could lead to some form of community group, we will have to wait and see.

Neil · 06-10-2008, 16:52

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Originally Posted by park381

No there is no community group where I now live, but I have managed to get a police presence, and a pact meeting in a local pub along with promises of further monthly meetings to be attended by community support officers and a local councillor. That was after contacting a local councillor and indicating that the area is the forgotten area of Hyndburn and there could be serious problems in the future if they were not dealt with now, also that we had never ever seen any police officers or community support officers in the area. May be these meetings could lead to some form of community group, we will have to wait and see.

Sounds good mate, keep up the good work.

Have a read of this, there is a pdf to download at the bottom right of the page, if you get a group going maybe you could sort something out in Knuzden.

HBC wanted to put one over West End I think it was a couple of years ago. The residents complained so it never happened

park381 · 06-10-2008, 17:05

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Originally Posted by Neil

Sounds good mate, keep up the good work.

Have a read of this, there is a pdf to download at the bottom right of the page, if you get a group going maybe you could sort something out in Knuzden.

HBC wanted to put one over West End I think it was a couple of years ago. The residents complained so it never happened

Thanks for the info, will have a read. Are you looking at trying to put one in the park?

Neil · 06-10-2008, 17:32

We have a meeting with the company that installed the kiddie play area in Rhyddings to get some quotes and ides from tomorrow. I like the MUGA's with seating built into the fencing but not sure if this company does them. They do smallish shelters - about 8' across and roundish with a roof and partially enclosed sides.

After we have an idea of what we can do and costs we intend to put our suggestion to our intended audience and see what they think. We are getting costings first so we can see if it is feasible for us to continue any further.

I am expecting some resistance to it because most people wont read something like that document I linked for you. When they do they don't want to believe it will help the situation. We are not just talking those immediately facing the park either.

Who said progress was easy?

garinda · 06-10-2008, 18:01

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Originally Posted by Neil

We have a meeting with the company that installed the kiddie play area in Rhyddings to get some quotes and ides from tomorrow. I like the MUGA's with seating built into the fencing but not sure if this company does them. They do smallish shelters - about 8' across and roundish with a roof and partially enclosed sides.

After we have an idea of what we can do and costs we intend to put our suggestion to our intended audience and see what they think. We are getting costings first so we can see if it is feasible for us to continue any further.

I am expecting some resistance to it because most people wont read something like that document I linked for you. When they do they don't want to believe it will help the situation. We are not just talking those immediately facing the park either.

Who said progress was easy?

Sounds like a good idea to me. Older children still go in the park after dark, having their own designated space sounds a very sensible idea.

There'll always be some stick in the muds, who'll oppose change for whatever reason. Probably the same person/people who thought the new children's play area was an eyesore from their front rooms on Park Lane, and who tried to say that it would, wrongly, attract more vandalism.

Good luck.

park381 · 06-10-2008, 18:06

If you are thinking of adjacent to the kids play area then yes I think you will get some resistance from residents. Would you not require planning permission or would it be a permissible development.
Changing the subject, how is the "light" in the park is it still operating and what effect is it having on vandals if any.

Is there any CCTV coverage in the park.

Is the Rhyddings Park N.W. still active ?

garinda · 06-10-2008, 18:22

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Originally Posted by park381

If you are thinking of adjacent to the kids play area then yes I think you will get some resistance from residents. Would you not require planning permission or would it be a permissible development.
Changing the subject, how is the "light" in the park is it still operating and what effect is it having on vandals if any.

Is there any CCTV coverage in the park.

Is the Rhyddings Park N.W. still active ?

There is CCTV of the park.

As far as I can see the light has reduced vandalism after dark, and I hear residents on Park Lane no longer suffer fron S.A.D., which must be an added benefit.

park381 · 06-10-2008, 18:28

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Originally Posted by garinda

There'll always be some stick in the muds, who'll oppose change for whatever reason. Probably the same person/people who thought the new children's play area was an eyesore from their front rooms on Park Lane, and who tried to say that it would, wrongly, attract more vandalism.
Good luck.

Without wishing to cover old ground again, the Planning Officer in her report to the planning committee in connection with the planning application for the light in the play area, refered to the childrens play area as "the unfortunate siting of the play area". Which indicated that even she was not happy with the location of the play area. A project that was pushed through by an HBC Parks Officer and a local Councillor (permitted development)
The planning application for the lighting column was required because the height of the lighting column proposed was 8M.
The height of the lighting column actually installed was only 4M, HBC could have saved the expense of the planning application, since a 4M column did not need planning permission.

garinda · 06-10-2008, 18:33

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Originally Posted by park381

Without wishing to cover old ground again

Good, as I can report the new play area is not only safer, and less vandalised than it was at the old site, but used much more by the children, all year round.

Any drop in property prices of neighbouring houses has more to do with the global credit crunch, than the siting of the play area.

MargaretR · 06-10-2008, 18:39

When I was born and raised on Hornby St (next street downhill) in the 40s, Park Lane was the classy place to live in Ossy.
Nowadays car ownership must detract from that - narrow street with bumper to bumper parking

garinda · 06-10-2008, 18:40

Not totally sure, but from memory, and seeing photographs of the park being opened in 1912, the park was there before the houses on Park Lane.

park381 · 06-10-2008, 19:15

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Originally Posted by garinda

Good, as I can report the new play area is not only safer, and less vandalised than it was at the old site, but used much more by the children, all year round.

Got to be 4 years or more old by now. Will be getting ready for replacement.

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Any drop in property prices of neighbouring houses has more to do with the global credit crunch, than the siting of the play area.

Got a good price for mine.