Accy Old Photo's - John Kelly's Album

[JCB]

[quote=blackburnlad;883692]

Originally Posted by katex

Attached is a grainy old photo of that junction. Hopefully you can make out some of the names along the end building, J. L. Haworth & Co, H.Walmsley & Son and Riley & Co.

I remember Haworth's where they had booths to listen to a record before you decided to buy it or not , but I can't remember it's number .

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by blackburnlad

This comment also shows you for what you are Retlaw.

Atarah, Cashman and MargaretR all pointed out that your drawing of Catlow's corner was Abbey St and not Whalley Rd. So what do you do, put your hand up and admit you have made (yet another) mistake? No you make light of it and make out you did it intentionally to 'Wake them up'

Not so my friend. May I refer the jury to comment #299. You sir actually thought it was on Whalley Rd.

As I said Retlaw was clutching at straws. I'm sure on some streets and roads (in any town or city) you could have gaps between properties ranging from a few feet to a thousand yards. The enumerators wouldn't give every vacant plot a number just because they were there and there was future potential for development would they?
This is post 299. Nowhere do I mention Brown and Catlows as being on Whalley Rd, any one who has lived in Accrington any length of time knows the Catlows I was refering to on Whalley Rd, had nowt to do with fire places. Catlows sold fruit & veg, and moved into that building from their site at the junction of Peel St & Infant St. Most Accy Webbers have an Idea where Brown and Catlows was. All I posted that picture of Brown & Catlows for, was to see if Atarah was watching the thread.
Now your making a fool of yourself.
Never mind keep taking the pills
Retlaw


Clutching at straws.
The Hope and Anchor is numbered 27 & 29 to this day just as it was then, your numbering in the 1909 map is wrong.
The first from the top of Peel St then was number 3, and the numbers carried on from there, nu 5 is now a shoe shop, what later became known as Catlows was nu 19, then on the corner with Marques St was nu 21 Slaters Arms.
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[katex]

[quote=JCB;884090]

Originally Posted by blackburnlad

I remember Haworth's where they had booths to listen to a record before you decided to buy it or not , but I can't remember it's number .

Certainly in 1951 their address had by then changed from Steinway House to 15, Whalley Road. Photograph in Bob Dobon's book of one on their decorated vans celebrating The Festival Of Britain and shows the address.

[blackburnlad]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

As I said Retlaw was clutching at straws. I'm sure on some streets and roads (in any town or city) you could have gaps between properties ranging from a few feet to a thousand yards. The enumerators wouldn't give every vacant plot a number just because they were there and there was future potential for development would they?
This is post 299. Nowhere do I mention Brown and Catlows as being on Whalley Rd, any one who has lived in Accrington any length of time knows the Catlows I was refering to on Whalley Rd, had nowt to do with fire places. Catlows sold fruit & veg, and moved into that building from their site at the junction of Peel St & Infant St. Most Accy Webbers have an Idea where Brown and Catlows was. All I posted that picture of Brown & Catlows for, was to see if Atarah was watching the thread.
Now your making a fool of yourself.
Never mind keep taking the pills
Retlaw


Clutching at straws.
The Hope and Anchor is numbered 27 & 29 to this day just as it was then, your numbering in the 1909 map is wrong.
The first from the top of Peel St then was number 3, and the numbers carried on from there, nu 5 is now a shoe shop, what later became known as Catlows was nu 19, then on the corner with Marques St was nu 21 Slaters Arms.
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Well then I'll put my hand up and apologise to you for my misunderstanding and take back my comment. But as you were talking directly to me (not as familiar with Accrington as the natives) in comment #299, you should have explained in a little more detail.

Anyway, it was just another diversionary tactic to cloud the waters.

[blackburnlad]

[QUOTE=JCB;884090]

Originally Posted by blackburnlad

I remember Haworth's where they had booths to listen to a record before you decided to buy it or not , but I can't remember it's number .

I wouldn't expect anyone to remember the number of a shop JCB. I must have been in Reidy's in Blackburn a few hundred times, but I couldn't to this day tell you what number Penny Street they are at. Similarly with Mercer's which used to be on Northgate, I wouldn't have a clue what number they were.

The premises numbers in this ''thread'' were only brought up because folks were trying to place just where the Slater's Arms were.

[blackburnlad]

[QUOTE=katex;884097]

Originally Posted by JCB

Certainly in 1951 their address had by then changed from Steinway House to 15, Whalley Road. Photograph in Bob Dobon's book of one on their decorated vans celebrating The Festival Of Britain and shows the address.

Possibly so katex, which is where I think the clue to the present day numbering lies. You said you had a theory on that (1948 you mentioned), but you haven't told us your theory.

I have a theory too, but no proof to confidently say it happened, so I must emphasize that it is only a THEORY. I think that maybe (only maybe Walt), the businesses that later occupied ''units'' in Steinway House (Walmsley's, Riley & Co and possibly more?) became so established over the years that they warranted their own address. ie, one of them could have remained No 11, one could have become No 13 and one No 15. That would then have changed the numbering further along to what it is today. As Walter keeps saying, The Hope & Anchor is now 27 - 29 or something like that.

Now I know some will say ''yeah but would they re-number the entire length of Whalley Rd just to accommodate a few businesses towards the lower end?'' Which is a fair enough comment. But for all we know, there may have been other additional properties at various points on Whalley Rd that were built or converted over the decades (vacant plots built on, older properties demolished and built on) and maybe because of that, the Highways Dept or whoever is responsible for that type of exercise might have thought ''OK, let's re-number the whole Road while we're at it''

Like I say, only a theory and I'm happy to be shot down

[MoreJoe]

Bill Shakespeare, who lived across Whalley Road at number 12 once said:

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, (or idiots) full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Can you please both take a Valium, retire to a neutral corner and let this thread return to delightful old pictures of Accrington, regardless of their accurate mailing address??

[Bob Dobson]

JCB might be thinking of Colliers Court, which was reached through a narrow tunnel. It was to the right of the picture, hidden by the lorry. It was just on the Royds St side of the off-licence that Atarah speaks of, opposite The Star. I was once with Little Pom and others outside the off-licence, having escaped from the dance at Christ Church. I think she was drinking from the neck of an East Lancs Pale Ale, or perhaps a Babycham.

[Gremlin]

Originally Posted by MoreJoe

Bill Shakespeare, who lived across Whalley Road at number 12 once said:

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, (or idiots) full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Can you please both take a Valium, retire to a neutral corner and let this thread return to delightful old pictures of Accrington, regardless of their accurate mailing address??

I agree, it's getting a bit boring now as both posters are convinced they are right and the other wrong.
More old photos please.

[walkinman221]

If that does not sort them out , may i suggest a drinking contest at the hope and anchor , but hang on they would probably turn up at two different addresses never mind , pistols at dawn then

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

If that does not sort them out , may i suggest a drinking contest at the hope and anchor , but hang on they would probably turn up at two different addresses never mind , pistols at dawn then

He'l loose then, I won several medals for pistol shooting, also 4 silver cups, in rapid fire pistol competitions. I also won the Taylor Shield for long range rifle shooting, on 5 consecutive occasions.
Retlaw

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

He'l loose then, I won several medals for pistol shooting, also 4 silver cups, in rapid fire pistol competitions. I also won the Taylor Shield for long range rifle shooting, on 5 consecutive occasions.
Retlaw

Game,Set,n Match then init

[steve2qec]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

He'l loose then, I won several medals for pistol shooting, also 4 silver cups, in rapid fire pistol competitions. I also won the Taylor Shield for long range rifle shooting, on 5 consecutive occasions.
Retlaw

Do you have the evidence to back up these claims!!!

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by steve2qec

Do you have the evidence to back up these claims!!!

Yes

[blackburnlad]

Originally Posted by Gremlin

I agree, it's getting a bit boring now as both posters are convinced they are right and the other wrong.
More old photos please.

It was never about correct mailing addresses really, more about making a point that Retlaw doesn't have any right to go rudely dismissing others input, just because he thinks he is THE authority on Accrington's history.

You're right, it is boring. It was boring from the outset.

I have good friends in Accy, as well as relatives still living there and I worked there myself for a number of years. I always thought there was some nice buildings and quaint little areas. But I have to be honest, at the end of the working day, the road in the attached pics was always my favourite road.