Alleytroyds

[steve2qec]

Steve .. is this the map you referred to as 1848 ?

P.S. Some one has just told me T.P. stood for Toll Point.[/quote]

Nope, my map is almost identical but it has the railway on it and is dated 1848.

I think Toll Point sounds a good bet...wonder if there was ever a Toll House there...?

[katex]

Originally Posted by garinda

I don't like the name.


Royd isn't in the dictionary, though I read that in place names, it's a Yorkshire derivative of 'road'. Which makes some sense.

Maybe it meant something like Alley t'road then ? (Translation .. Alley to the road..).

[susie123]

You can access Steve's 1848 map on the ordinary LCC website but can't see yours Kate.

[wadey]

Very interesting article here, sorry if you've seen it before

"Up until the early 1960s, when carrying on the canal ceased, Accrington had to rely upon the wharves at Enfield and Church for its canal service. The former, opened in 1801, was built near to the junction of two turnpike roads which enabled goods to be carried to and from Bury and Clitheroe besides serving Accrington. The warehouses still stand partly derelict. Several factories were served by the canal at Enfield; of particular note are Royal Mill, the last to be built in Clayton, which opened in 1912, and Enfield Corn Mill, used for many years by Joseph Appleby, who had his own fleet of boats carrying grain on the canal. This mill was subsequently occupied by the East Lancashire Soap Company who used the canal for shipping their famous floating soap. Presumably, it must have been carried by boat!

The history of the canal at Church is, perhaps, more interesting. The turnpike from Blackburn to Accrington was opened after the canal and the canal embankment across Tinker Brook was enlarged to carry the road as well. The first canalside warehouse was opened in 1836, a few years afterwards. This was built by the Hargreaves brothers of Broad Oak. A proper wharf was erected seven years later, the canal company draining the canal for just twenty four hours to allow the foundations to be built. The canal company later took over the warehouse, enlarging and improving the facilities in 1890. It probably ceased to be used by the canal company around 1921, and today is in a derelict condition, despite being listed."

Accrington

[susie123]

Thanks Wadey, was just about to wade through the whole article on the www when I saw your post!

[susie123]

Originally Posted by susie123

You can access Steve's 1848 map on the ordinary LCC website but can't see yours Kate.

Ignore that, senior moment. neither of them are there. Sorry!

[Bob Dobson]

On my shelves somewhere I have a booklet/essay written about Alleytroyds by a Miss Doris Pickup. There will be one in the library. It gives an explanation for the name. Retlaw will be able to tell us when the name is first recorded. I will ask the people at the Lancashire Place-Name Survey. Definitely nowt to do with the Royds family, who came to Accrington from Rochdale in the first place just to buy land.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

On my shelves somewhere I have a booklet/essay written about Alleytroyds by a Miss Doris Pickup. There will be one in the library. It gives an explanation for the name. Retlaw will be able to tell us when the name is first recorded. I will ask the people at the Lancashire Place-Name Survey. Definitely nowt to do with the Royds family, who came to Accrington from Rochdale in the first place just to buy land.

First mention I can find is Church Kirk baptism records 1783, spelt Alleytroyds.

[accyman]

Alleytroyds sounds like a more acurate description of Hemoroyds or some other sort of rear alley illness.
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i know someone who lives on Alleytroyds and thinking about it he does walk a bit funny

[Bob Dobson]

The people at the Lancashire Place-Name Survey cannot help with a derivation

[susie123]

Originally Posted by accyman

Alleytroyds sounds like a more acurate description of Hemoroyds or some other sort of rear alley illness.
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i know someone who lives on Alleytroyds and thinking about it he does walk a bit funny

See my post 8, accyman.

[susie123]

Originally Posted by katex

'Something you get on your bottom !?!' .. oh .. s'okay .... just got it..

Sorry Kate, as you may imagine, that part of my anatomy is a bit on my mind at the moment...

[susie123]

Originally Posted by garinda

Royd isn't in the dictionary, though I read that in place names, it's a Yorkshire derivative of 'road'. Which makes some sense.

Road in this sense is not a highway but a cleared piece of land: see below for various thoughts on this gleaned from sources on google. This makes more sense to me. Alleytroyds could be the land belonging to All... something. Might be Allah if they built a mosque on it!

In this are we also have Huntroyde near Simonstone which describes the activity on the cleared land. And Ormerod is a local surname and street name.

From google:

In Norwegian, the name Royd means- dwells in the clearing in the forest. The name Royd orginated as an Norwegian name.

rodu - Old English-a clearing- royd and worth are frequent elements within
the Bradford Metro area but much less common further North.
Waddington-Feather suggests this pattern reflects the relative influence of
the old Saxon kingdoms of Mercia and Northumbria. However, others have
argued that the word royd indicates clearings made later than those with the
element ley. In medieval Calderdale "royd land" was the term commonly used
to describe land cleared or "assarted" for farming. It's tempting to suggest
a historical chronology of word elements to describe land brought into
cultivation : ley - worth - royd - intake; but alas it's never that simple.
The common Yorkshire surnames Ackroyd, Boothroyd, Holroyd, Murgatroyd and
Illingworth derive from these local place name elementsIn Norwegian, the name Royd means- dwells in the clearing in the forest. The name Royd orginated as a Norwegian name.


rodu - Old English-a clearing- royd and worth are frequent elements within
the Bradford Metro area but much less common further North.
Waddington-Feather suggests this pattern reflects the relative influence of
the old Saxon kingdoms of Mercia and Northumbria. However, others have
argued that the word royd indicates clearings made later than those with the
element ley. In medieval Calderdale "royd land" was the term commonly used
to describe land cleared or "assarted" for farming. It's tempting to suggest
a historical chronology of word elements to describe land brought into
cultivation : ley - worth - royd - intake; but alas it's never that simple.
The common Yorkshire surnames Ackroyd, Boothroyd, Holroyd, Murgatroyd and Illingworth derive from these local place name elements.


ROYD, ROYDS. A local name meaning "at the rode" (so always spelt in early records), an old term implying a ridding, or clearing. Compounded with the Christian name of the proprietor or settler we get Murgatroyd (Mergret = Margaret) or Ormerod (Orme). Whitaker, in his Hist. and Ant. of Craven, has such spots as Tomrode and Wilimotrode (Wilmot = William): p. 199. Sometimes 'royd' is compounded with the names of the hills cleared, as in Holroyd or Acroyd; sometimes with the profession of the resident, as Monkroyd or Smithroyd (Whitaker, p. 199); sometimes with a word descriptive of the locality, as in Huntroyd. The glossary to Hulton's Coucher Book of Whalley Abbey says: 'Roda, an assart or clearing. Rode land is used in this sense in modern German, in which the verb roden means to clear. The combination of the syllable rod, rode, or royd with some other term, or with the name of an original settler, has, no doubt, given to particular localities such designations as Huntroyd, Ormerod, &c.' See Notes and Queries, 1st Ser., vol. v. p. 571, for further authorities. Dr. Whitaker styles it 'a participial substantive of the provisional verb rid, to clear or grub up': see Hist. Whalley, 3rd edit., p. 364.


Royd is a Yorkshire dialect word for Road i.e. a clearing, and generates surnames such as (in descending frequency) :

Holroyd, Ackroyd, Murgatroyd, Boothroyd, Oldroyd, Learoyd, Ormondroyd, Howroyd...

The element Royd: reached its highest use in the Halifax Registration District

[susie123]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

Royds street is named after Edward Albert Nuttall Royd who built it and the streets of the other streets that bear his name , he also built / rebuilt Newhouse Farm and leafield farm on sandy lane .

Dave do you think the man would have been Royds rather than Royd otherwise the street would have been so named.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by katex

Maybe it meant something like Alley t'road then ? (Translation .. Alley to the road..).

This is a more likely explanation, considering the age of the place, & its first mention in the Church Kirk registers. In those days Vicars were not usualy local to the area, & wrote what they thought they'd heard, and Alley tu Royds is feasable considering local dialects. Especially as there were very few paved roads in those days, mostly cart tracks.
Retlaw.