St. James Church, Church Kirk

[Accyexplorer]

Is It Honest To Blame The World's Problems On Religion? yes,I think so.
The endless joke of religion,folk (with half a brain) who actually think for a moment, know that the basis of religion is utter ****.

[Balbus]

Faith is the illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable. (Mencken)

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Jim Procter

I would never enter a Church by choice.In the course of my life I have gone from one extreme to the other.Does anyone else feel like me about religion?

Rather vague .

You used to enter a church building by choice but now you say that you would never enter a church building by choice , and then you ask whether anyone else feels like you about religion .

I don't know because I don't really know what you mean ?

I used to enter a church building by choice and I still enter a church building by choice on a regular basis , twice already this week . But that doesn't tell you anything about how I feel about religion .

Do you have a belief in the Reality referred to by "God" ? If so , what is your concept of "God" ? Do you think of it as some Santa Claus figure up in the sky , or what ?

If you don't have a belief in "God" , what is the concept or image you reject ?

Are you rejecting a belief in God altogether ? Or maybe you are rejecting a totally inadequate , and so false , image of God which you should have outgrown .

[Jim Procter]

Exactly!!!

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Is It Honest To Blame The World's Problems On Religion? yes,I think so.

So you think it is honest to blame the world's problems on religion .

That's rather a sweeping comment to make .

I was on Broadway yesterday looking at the banner commemorating the Accrington Pals who fought in WW1 .

In what way would you say that religion was to blame for WW! ?

Going forward in time , in what way would you say that religion
was to blame for WW2 ?

The world is undergoing serious financial problems , but how would you say that religion is to blame for them ?

At the moment with the disastrous weather in much of the south of England many are saying that it is part of the problem caused by global warming . How would you say that global warming is to be blamed on religion ?

A more personal problem I have is regarding your use of the word "religion" .
What exactly do you mean by "religion" ?

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by JCB

So you think it is honest to blame the world's problems on religion .

That's rather a sweeping comment to make .

I was on Broadway yesterday looking at the banner commemorating the Accrington Pals who fought in WW1 .

In what way would you say that religion was to blame for WW! ?

Going forward in time , in what way would you say that religion
was to blame for WW2 ?

The world is undergoing serious financial problems , but how would you say that religion is to blame for them ?

At the moment with the disastrous weather in much of the south of England many are saying that it is part of the problem caused by global warming . How would you say that global warming is to be blamed on religion ?

A more personal problem I have is regarding your use of the word "religion" .
What exactly do you mean by "religion" ?

Is this becoming a thread wander?

I like folk with lots of questions (it's part of what i use judge them),
This may not answer them all,but have you heard of Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins? have a look at "God is not Great" and "The God Delusion". You may come away with a different take on 'religion'.
“THOSE WHO CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN ABSURDITIES CAN MAKE YOU COMMIT ATROCITIES” – VOLTAIRE.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Is this becoming a thread wander?

I like folk with lots of questions (it's part of what i use judge them),
This may not answer them all,but have you heard of Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins? have a look at "God is not Great" and "The God Delusion". You may come away with a different take on 'religion'.
“THOSE WHO CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN ABSURDITIES CAN MAKE YOU COMMIT ATROCITIES” – VOLTAIRE.

That's hardly an answer to the questions I posed regarding your own thoughts relating to the relationship between the world's problems and religion .

I am not asking Dawkins , Hitchens or Voltaire what they think . I know it already . I am asking you .

I asked simple questions regarding certain events , so please would you answer them .

Here is what I said to remind you :-

Originally Posted by JCB
So you think it is honest to blame the world's problems on religion .

That's rather a sweeping comment to make .

I was on Broadway yesterday looking at the banner commemorating the Accrington Pals who fought in WW1 .

In what way would you say that religion was to blame for WW! ?

Going forward in time , in what way would you say that religion
was to blame for WW2 ?

The world is undergoing serious financial problems , but how would you say that religion is to blame for them ?

At the moment with the disastrous weather in much of the south of England many are saying that it is part of the problem caused by global warming . How would you say that global warming is to be blamed on religion ?

A more personal problem I have is regarding your use of the word "religion" .
What exactly do you mean by "religion" ?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Is this becoming a thread wander?



I like folk with lots of questions (it's part of what i use judge them),

This may not answer them all,but have you heard of Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins? have a look at "God is not Great" and "The God Delusion". You may come away with a different take on 'religion'.

“THOSE WHO CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN ABSURDITIES CAN MAKE YOU COMMIT ATROCITIES” – VOLTAIRE.

Why should he look at those books or worry about the people you mention?
Your belief or lack of belief is your problem, trying to convince others that you are well read on the subject just displays your insecurities about your convictions.
I have my lack of belief, however I find no need to reassure myself by reading someone else's reason for not believing.

By the way, next time you quote Voltaire, don't shout, he was a quietly spoken gentleman.

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by JCB

That's hardly an answer to the questions I posed regarding your own thoughts relating to the relationship between the world's problems and religion .

I am not asking Dawkins , Hitchens or Voltaire what they think . I know it already . I am asking you .

I asked simple questions regarding certain events , so please would you answer them .

Here is what I said to remind you :-

Originally Posted by JCB
So you think it is honest to blame the world's problems on religion .

That's rather a sweeping comment to make .

I was on Broadway yesterday looking at the banner commemorating the Accrington Pals who fought in WW1 .

In what way would you say that religion was to blame for WW! ?

Going forward in time , in what way would you say that religion
was to blame for WW2 ?

The world is undergoing serious financial problems , but how would you say that religion is to blame for them ?

At the moment with the disastrous weather in much of the south of England many are saying that it is part of the problem caused by global warming . How would you say that global warming is to be blamed on religion ?

A more personal problem I have is regarding your use of the word "religion" .
What exactly do you mean by "religion" ?

Sorry,been getting grief off our peg for spending all my time on here
I really don't want to get into a debate about religion,but since you ask:

Firstly, I believe "religion is a crutch" also a ideology/tool set up with a sole purpose to divide folk.
The causes of WW1 are complicated,to blame one specific thing (like religion) may seem unfair, however we have to lay blame where blame is due.
On top of most of our current problems evolving from WW1 and WW2,(I also believe)“the First World War was wholly Christian in origin” and that opposition came from Socialists who were “anti-Christian.”-Bertrand Russell.
All the other things (WW2 (not global warming,you got me there ) are pretty much a knock/flow on from WW1.
For eample,World war one helped cause the russian revolution,Which (again,I believe) was the main reason for WW2.
I hope this goes some way to answering your questions JCB.
You may think i'm a “Richard cranium” ,but try not to hate me too much (that goes for you too "grand wizard) (it's not the church going way).

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Less

Why should he look at those books or worry about the people you mention?
Your belief or lack of belief is your problem, trying to convince others that you are well read on the subject just displays your insecurities about your convictions.
I have my lack of belief, however I find no need to reassure myself by reading someone else's reason for not believing.

By the way, next time you quote Voltaire, don't shout, he was a quietly spoken gentleman.

Seems I've woke "the grand wizard",Sorry for shouting
After seeing you slay "birdman" the other day I realise my stats are no match for your 'troll' slaying ways.
I bid you good day,till we meet again

[Less]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Seems I've woke "the grand wizard",Sorry for shouting
After seeing you slay "birdman" the other day I realise my stats are no match for your 'troll' slaying ways.
I bid you good day,till we meet again

Oh shucks, I didn't slay him, he comes he goes and consistently posts at such a low level that anything I say causes him no harm whatsoever!

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Sorry,been getting grief off our peg for spending all my time on here
I really don't want to get into a debate about religion,but since you ask:

Firstly, I believe "religion is a crutch" also a ideology/tool set up with a sole purpose to divide folk.
The causes of WW1 are complicated,to blame one specific thing (like religion) may seem unfair, however we have to lay blame where blame is due.
On top of most of our current problems evolving from WW1 and WW2,(I also believe)“the First World War was wholly Christian in origin” and that opposition came from Socialists who were “anti-Christian.”-Bertrand Russell.
All the other things (WW2 (not global warming,you got me there ) are pretty much a knock/flow on from WW1.
For eample,World war one helped cause the russian revolution,Which (again,I believe) was the main reason for WW2.
I hope this goes some way to answering your questions JCB.
You may think i'm a “Richard cranium” ,but try not to hate me too much (that goes for you too "grand wizard) (it's not the church going way).

I don't hate you at all , and can't envisage any reason why I ever should .

I was simply asking you some questions the answers to which should have backed up your claim if they were accurate .

I think you are clutching at straws in the answers you give regarding WW1 and WW2 .

How on earth WW1 was Christian in origin , as you say , baffles me . How was WW1 Christian in origin ?

I am not prepared to comment on the effects of non-Christian religions , but I do know that Christians throughout the centuries , up to the present day , have been the cause of many problems , often evil problems , but I see no evidence to suggest in the least that it is honest to blame the world's problems on "religion" , "religion" being a word you have not given your meaning of as I asked you to .

So , sorry , but your post goes no way to answering my questions .

[cashman]

May just be me but i reckon his meaning is "In the Name of Religion" in that case many of the worlds wars oer the centuries have been caused in the name? that i concur with fully.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by cashman

May just be me but i reckon his meaning is "In the Name of Religion" in that case many of the worlds wars oer the centuries have been caused in the name? that i concur with fully.

So WW1 was caused "In the Name of Religion" .

So WW2 was caused "In the Name of Religion" .

How ?

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by cashman

May just be me but i reckon his meaning is "In the Name of Religion" in that case many of the worlds wars oer the centuries have been caused in the name? that i concur with fully.

Originally Posted by JCB

So WW1 was caused "In the Name of Religion" .

So WW2 was caused "In the Name of Religion" .

How ?

I posit that religion is not the cause of most wars although close study suggests it generally has a part in promoting and sustaining them. Unbalanced power, causeless hatred and greed are in the main why man went and indeed still goes to war.