the library v. the internet

[Margaret Pilkington]

[quote=Gayle;705594]I tried once to read a novel on my computer but for some reason it's near impossible - also, when I write a report, I need to print it out to properly review it. Can't understand why that is but somehow info on the computer doesn't quite sink in.

Gayle, I am glad that there is someone like me......can't take in the info unless it is in my hand to read.......hopeless at analysing and digesting stuff from the screen.
I thought it was just my ageing grey cells, but feel reassured by your post.


And Less you are spot on about books.......I can't be transported by stuff I read on the screen....well, not like the stuff in a book anyway.
Reading has always been one of my chief pleasures.....far better than TV.

[katex]

Can you not E-mail your concerns to L.C.C. Atarah or one of the councillors ?
Maybe the lady in the library is doing this already though ?

I feel as others .. difficult to concentrate on internet information ... not that I do much studying these days, but would like to think that if there were something I wished to know could browse along the shelves in the library .. much more interesting.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

To me its a shame books are being destroyed, most of the so called crap on the internet, has so many variations. Every idiot wants to swank, "I have a web site", even if the stuff has never been authenticated, and contains a lot of misinformation.
Then other idiots will pass on this misinformation as gospel.

People aren't 'swanking' when they have a website - they're trying to share knowledge and educate people with a wider audience.

You've already admitted that you include incorrect information in things that you publish so you can't complain when people believe information that you've put out there to be correct. If you don't want people to perpetuate misinformation then give them the correct information.

My two children are 7 and 9 - their teachers often give them homework and suggest that they research it on the internet as well as at the library. They are not idiots but they will believe information if it is given to them as fact!!!!

[Retlaw]

[quote=Gayle;705634]People aren't 'swanking' when they have a website - they're trying to share knowledge and educate people with a wider audience.
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CRAP. When you've looked at different websites all covering the same subject, you can see they are trying to outdo each other, and information is varied.

You've already admitted that you include incorrect information in things that you publish so you can't complain when people believe information that you've put out there to be correct. If you don't want people to perpetuate misinformation then give them the correct information.
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That was done for a specific reason, don't take things out of context. I have a picture of A Coy Accrington Pals, on display at Accrington Library, I put their names on their chests, one of them is a deliberate mistake. I told the library staff at the time one of them is wrong, even they don't know which one it is. It was done PURPOSELY.
His real name is a microdot on his collar.
Retlaw.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

CRAP. When you've looked at different websites all covering the same subject, you can see they are trying to outdo each other, and information is varied.

Perhaps they're all trying to protect their research by putting false information in.

Perhaps they want their site to look good.

If everyone worked together then only the correct information would be out there for future generations.

The stuff at the library - what's going to happen when you pop your clogs and the lady at the library moves to another job? You've put something out there - whether it's just a photo or text - that's incorrect and in future years no one will know that and so will believe it on face value.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Gayle

Perhaps they're all trying to protect their research by putting false information in.

Perhaps they want their site to look good.

If everyone worked together then only the correct information would be out there for future generations.
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Why should I do all that work, so some glory hunter can take all the credit. You know nothing of whats been done before, and I don't see why I should explain things to you.
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The stuff at the library - what's going to happen when you pop your clogs and the lady at the library moves to another job? You've put something out there - whether it's just a photo or text - that's incorrect and in future years no one will know that and so will believe it on face value.

Crap again.
I have other photographs with the correct info on it.

Plus he is correctly named on another display, thats on show elsewhere.
Any way, who are you to tell me what to do with my research, whats mines me own, and I can do with it as I please. If you don't like it, lump it.

When I pop my clogs my daughters have strict instruction what happens to my work, and all the pictures I have collected.

Retlaw.

[Gayle]

I'm not trying to tell you what to do with your research. I'm just pointing out that I find it sad that someone could put so much work in and then deliberatly falsify it so that other people get it wrong.

As it happens, I have to do some research at the moment on the Coppice because it's the 100th anniversary this year of the handing over from the Peel family. I will go to the library and I will try to find out as much as possible - but I'm not an expert so if the information that I find out is then put onto display boards and it turns out to be wrong then we'll all know why it's wrong won't we?

Because experts don't want to help the rest of us find out the truth. So when the display boards are put up, please feel free to mock and call me an idiot for believing information that has been put together by experts.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Gayle

I'm not trying to tell you what to do with your research. I'm just pointing out that I find it sad that someone could put so much work in and then deliberatly falsify it so that other people get it wrong.
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Deliberately falsify what, the name of one man on one picture, and two deliberate mistakes in a file I gave to someone who I thought I could trust.
What are you riding this hobby horse for any way

As it happens, I have to do some research at the moment on the Coppice because it's the 100th anniversary this year of the handing over from the Peel family. I will go to the library and I will try to find out as much as possible - but I'm not an expert so if the information that I find out is then put onto display boards and it turns out to be wrong then we'll all know why it's wrong won't we?
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The Coppice & Moleside is mentioned in the Coucher Book of Kirkstall Abbey, the first document is dated Circa 1150, with others dated to 1322. There's an old plan of the Peel estates somewhere in the library, dated circa 1800.


Because experts don't want to help the rest of us find out the truth. So when the display boards are put up, please feel free to mock and call me an idiot for believing information that has been put together by experts.

Barnyard Confetti, you don't make sense, If what you call experts did'nt want you to know, they would'nt have bothered to write it in the first place.

Retlaw.

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[andrewb]

I hope they haven't got rid of the council minutes. I really need them. They're definitely not online for the older editions..

I think it's a shame. As others have said, it's much easier to read a book than it is to read a screen, and much better on the eyes I imagine!

At our University I think we have about 2 million books. They are putting some of them in electronic format, which is very useful when the book has already been taken out, as it often is when you have 200 people wanting a book of which they have one copy! Can never replace the real thing though.

[churchman phil]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

That was done for a specific reason, don't take things out of context. I have a picture of A Coy Accrington Pals, on display at Accrington Library, I put their names on their chests, one of them is a deliberate mistake. I told the library staff at the time one of them is wrong, even they don't know which one it is. It was done PURPOSELY.
His real name is a microdot on his collar.
Retlaw.

I think that is awful. I don't know what name you've used, it could be Joe Bloggs, guess we'll never know the real person at all.

But what if someone called Fred Bloggs, looking for a relative, is told by someone that there is a photo of A Coy Accrington Pals and a certain Joe Bloggs is there. Your 'misinformation' could send poor Fred off to do lots of meaningless research, totally oblivious of any other picture and obviously without success , trying to find out more info on someone whom he believes could be his great grandfather. He'd be wasting his time because of you.

Similarly, because of YOUR purposeful error, there may be a relative of the man mis-named who will never see what he actually looked like.

How would you feel??

[Retlaw]

Similarly, because of YOUR purposeful error, there may be a relative of the man mis-named who will never see what he actually looked like.

How would you feel??[/quote]

In 1983 there were still six of the original Accrington Pals still alive living in the area. Harry kay, George Pollard, Ernie Culley, Russell Bradshaw, Stan Bewsher and James Snailham. They were shown an enlargement of the photograph in question and even they could only name a few on the picture.

When the Pals came marching into Accrington on August 1st 1915, a lot of people did'nt recognised them as the men who left Accrington on February 23.

After all these years and the pubilicity William Turner gave to the Accrington Pals, his lectures, school visits and our displays on the Pals aniversaries. I don't think any one is going to be looking for Joe Bloggs.

When all said and done I did'nt need to name those men on the picture, till I put their names on very few were of them were known.

And in reply to another on this site who took umbrage at my saying people want to swank about their web sites and others being ripped off, well is does HAPPEN, I've been searching on genealogy web sites for some of my soldiers, and the number of people who complain about others ripping off their family trees to add to their own, just to impress others with the biggest family tree.

That is also the reason why very few parish registers are available for viewing, people were caught actually altering entries in parish registers, luckily there are the Bishops transcripts, which the public could never get their hands on.

Retlaw.

[mik]

its a disgrace the library was donated to the people of accrington as a place were the working classes could self improve. Who the hell gave these idiots the right to turn our educational facilities into an internet cafe? and where are the howls of protests from our "elected" representives...as quiet now as they were when Church library was quietly disposed of...what chance Oswaldtwistle library re-opening in any reconisable form..very little I suspect

[Morecambe Ex Pat]

There have been inaccuracies all the way while we have been researching our family and there may still be some incorrect facts and relationship ties but we will never know if there are only a limited number of research sources. In my opinion, inaccuracies are better off corrected rather than introduced. I think that to destroy detailed and painstaking research is foolish but an author is entitled to do whatever he wants with his creations.

A branch of my family tree comes to dead stop in 1603 because someone in history decided that certain pages of a marriage register should be removed.

We will never know who this person was and we will never know why they removed the pages. Perhaps to cover up an embarrassing episode? What future generations of our family will wonder about, is what happened but we will never know.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat

There have been inaccuracies all the way while we have been researching our family and there may still be some incorrect facts and relationship ties but we will never know if there are only a limited number of research sources. In my opinion, inaccuracies are better off corrected rather than introduced. I think that to destroy detailed and painstaking research is foolish but an author is entitled to do whatever he wants with his creations.

A branch of my family tree comes to dead stop in 1603 because someone in history decided that certain pages of a marriage register should be removed.

We will never know who this person was and we will never know why they removed the pages. Perhaps to cover up an embarrassing episode? What future generations of our family will wonder about, is what happened but we will never know.

Have you tried to see if he Bishops Transcripts still exist. Vicars were obliged to make a 2nd record of all the events during the year, and send them to the Bishop of whatever Diocese he belonged to.
Retlaw