World War 1 - Page 4

Retlaw · 21-02-2009, 13:11

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Originally Posted by Mrs B

If you are saying there is an "A Swann" on the RoH I can probably identify it for you - but not if it's "A Swan". Let me know.

Prim Meths R-O-H.
A. Swann
C. Swann
E. Swann
H. Swann

Retlaw.

esteemedjuju · 21-02-2009, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

William Baron Pte. 61042. R.A.M.C.
lived at 57 James St, Oswaldtwistle.
Kew Medal Cards WO372/2

His service records were destroyed during WW2

What is the Accrington 100 ?.

Retlaw.

thanks very much for info Acc 100 was I think made up of St Johns Ambulance people

Alan Gilmartin · 22-02-2009, 08:44

This is my contribution, my grandads brother,my great uncle. Private Anthony Gilmartin. 21179, date of death, 9/8/1915 age unknown. Loyal North Lancashire Regement, Helles Memorial.

Retlaw · 22-02-2009, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Alan Gilmartin

This is my contribution, my grandads brother,my great uncle. Private Anthony Gilmartin. 21179, date of death, 9/8/1915 age unknown. Loyal North Lancashire Regement, Helles Memorial.

Do you have a picture of him.

Private 21179. Loyal North Lancs
September 1915. Mrs Counsell, 37 Willow St, C-l-Moors, has been notified that her brother Private Anthony Gilmartin, has been posted as missing since August 9th last. Anthony has previously served as Private 12076 in the East Lancs Regmt. Before the war he worked at Whinisle pit. His name is on
St Mary's Church War Memorial and Clayton le Moors War Memorial.

Retlaw.

Mrs B · 22-02-2009, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

Prim Meths R-O-H.
A. Swann
C. Swann
E. Swann
H. Swann

Retlaw.

I'm gong to have a hunt around to see if "A Swann" and "E Swann" were family members - there was definitely an "A Swann", and I know you had no record, but it would be a guess. "E Swann" is not a name I have found in my family yet, but I am still searching and if I find anything I will certainly pass it on to you.

By the way, I'm not sure if I said before, but I'm afraid I have no original documents or photographs for your collection. I have ordered a couple of documents (copies of originals) from the National Archives, but I am assuming you would not be interested in those?

Retlaw · 22-02-2009, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Mrs B

I'm gong to have a hunt around to see if "A Swann" and "E Swann" were family members - there was definitely an "A Swann", and I know you had no record, but it would be a guess. "E Swann" is not a name I have found in my family yet, but I am still searching and if I find anything I will certainly pass it on to you.

By the way, I'm not sure if I said before, but I'm afraid I have no original documents or photographs for your collection. I have ordered a couple of documents (copies of originals) from the National Archives, but I am assuming you would not be interested in those?

Many thanks.
I am more interested in their attestation papers these give a lot of information, so far I have aquired 470 sets of papers and only just got to the end of B's. I'm starting on C's shortly.

Retlaw.

Mrs B · 22-02-2009, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

Many thanks.
I am more interested in their attestation papers these give a lot of information, so far I have aquired 470 sets of papers and only just got to the end of B's. I'm starting on C's shortly.

Retlaw.

Sorry, what are "attestation papers"?

(I'm very good at showing my ignorance by the way.)

Retlaw · 22-02-2009, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Mrs B

Sorry, what are "attestation papers"?

(I'm very good at showing my ignorance by the way.)

Attestation papers are Army Form B 5212, on which he gives his age, place of birth, address, occupation, date of attestation and date of acceptance, witnessed by a magistrate. Other papers in the file wil show his career in the army, postings, punishments, medical reports and so on. If he was K.i.A., it will show next of kin, siblings, cousins and some times grand parents.

Retlaw.

Retlaw · 23-02-2009, 15:22

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Checked this morning for Swann & Swan.

only two sets of papers under each surname, none of them are what we want.
More are coming on line every week so keep your fingers crossed.
Going through some of the surnames in the B's, I've found some more B's have been added.
Retlaw.

steeljack · 24-02-2009, 20:10

any mention of a William (Bill) Booth from Gt. Harwood , he lived next door to me during the early 50s , remember stories about him being 'Gassed ' on the Front , sorry no other information.
Thanks

Retlaw · 25-02-2009, 11:58

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Originally Posted by steeljack

any mention of a William (Bill) Booth from Gt. Harwood , he lived next door to me during the early 50s , remember stories about him being 'Gassed ' on the Front , sorry no other information.
Thanks

I have a William Mozart Booth in my files.
Lived at 69 Blackburn Rd Gt Harwood.
Is he the man, because if he is you won't
like what I found in his papers.

Retlaw.

steeljack · 25-02-2009, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

I have a William Mozart Booth in my files.
Lived at 69 Blackburn Rd Gt Harwood.
Is he the man, because if he is you won't
like what I found in his papers.

Retlaw.

Possibly the same guy , at the time I knew him he was just a nice owd chap living down the bottom end of Princess st. , maybe in this case I think its best to remember Shakespeare's quote "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones. "
The chap is long passed on , probably best to leave it there , thanks for taking the time and effort .

churchman phil · 26-02-2009, 15:59

Can I just say a huge public THANK-YOU to Retlaw for his continuing emails in helping trace details of relatives during the war. I have been able to provide him with a couple of things too but his efforts are greatly appreciated.

Mrs B · 01-03-2009, 11:50

I have had a bit of excitement this morning (well, exciting for me) - and, thanks to some information passed to me by Ossy Kid I have discovered an indirect connection to someone else who served in the First World War.

Retlaw has already identified Herbert Swann who I 'laid claim to' earlier. Some time after the War, Herbert Swann married. I had always been given to understand (or my memory's playing tricks again) that his wife's fiancé had been killed in the First World War. In actual fact it turns out that this was her husband rather than her fiancé - Ross Haworth who died 25 May 1917 in France. Ossy Kid says his name is on the memorial at Burnley Road Cemetery.

So not exactly a relation, but certainly a connection.

Retlaw · 01-03-2009, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Mrs B

I have had a bit of excitement this morning (well, exciting for me) - and, thanks to some information passed to me by Ossy Kid I have discovered an indirect connection to someone else who served in the First World War.

Retlaw has already identified Herbert Swann who I 'laid claim to' earlier. Some time after the War, Herbert Swann married. I had always been given to understand (or my memory's playing tricks again) that his wife's fiancé had been killed in the First World War. In actual fact it turns out that this was her husband rather than her fiancé - Ross Haworth who died 25 May 1917 in France. Ossy Kid says his name is on the memorial at Burnley Road Cemetery.

So not exactly a relation, but certainly a connection.

Ross Haworth. Private. 20448. Lancs Fus.
Died 26-5-1917, age 30, in army less than six months.
buried in Etaples Miitary Cemetery.
wife Daisy Gladys Haworth of 40 Beech St, Accrington.

Accrington War Memorial.

Retlaw.