Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up? - Page 4

kestrelx · 09-04-2012, 12:35

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Originally Posted by jaysay

If you think I'm trawling through the rubbish you post on here you've another think coming, but you used what is seemed to be a swear word and no action was taken, it know appears it was an oversite, oh and you weren't the only one

In 1991 I would not stand next to the Yorkshire Ripper - Jimmy Savile was wrong to do it! In 1991 when that photo had been taken the Ripper had been in prison for 10years and Savile thought it fit to rub shoulders with him!

kestrelx · 09-04-2012, 12:41

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

If the policy 'don't speak ill of the dead' was universally applied, subsequent generations would never be told of the deeds of Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini.

Incidentally, my italian ex mother in law was eternally grateful to Mussolini because he financed surgery for her as a child - not a relative - just human compassion.

No one is 100% good - knowing their failings as well as their good deeds provides a balanced view of a personality.

Well said Margaret - Don't speak ill of the dead is superstition! No one is perfect and I just feel it wrong for Savile to pose with the Ripper after 10 years - what kind of signal does that send out to younger people! That you can kill people with a hammer, knife and screw driver and then only 10 years on pose with Celebrities! Wrong totally wrong!

jaysay · 09-04-2012, 18:01

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

If the policy 'don't speak ill of the dead' was universally applied, subsequent generations would never be told of the deeds of Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini.

Incidentally, my italian ex mother in law was eternally grateful to Mussolini because he financed surgery for her as a child - not a relative - just human compassion.

No one is 100% good - knowing their failings as well as their good deeds provides a balanced view of a personality.

There's a bit of difference between the likes of Hitler Stalin Mussolini and Jimmy Savile, if Hitler had been a man and not topped himself he would have been executed for war crimes, Mussolini was strung up by his own people, Jimmy Savile was never charged with any crime what so ever, so I for one abhor people who are trying to drag his name through the mud when he's not around to defend himself and those people pushing these rumours have only done so now because they can't be sued for Libel and Slander, a mark of cowardice in itself

walkinman221 · 09-04-2012, 19:09

Hitler Stalin Mussolini and Jimmy Saville thats a collection of names you dont usually see in the same sentence

Totally agree john.

MargaretR · 09-04-2012, 19:13

Those dictators were named to illustrate the point that 'speaking ill of the dead' is done selectively - and who has the right to decide who is selected?

davemac · 09-04-2012, 19:49

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Your wasting your time Dave as the good book says "and some fell on stony ground"

I realise that john, I think this thread has moved into the barmpot section, persons are linking Sir Jimmy with Hitler and Mussolini, mass murderers. What has jimmy ever been found guilty of, absolutely nothing, it just shows what links can be made when you talk out of an orifice not designed for conversation

kestrelx · 09-04-2012, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Neil

How could he shake his hand? I would have turned and walked away.

I think it's sickening after what Sutcliffe did for him to be "hanging round" with celebrities only 10 years after he murdered 13 women and put the country through a terrible experience!

If Jimmy Savile felt the need to work as a porter in a high-security mental hospital for the criminally insane then he should have been more discrete about taking part in a photo like this!

kestrelx · 09-04-2012, 20:00

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Originally Posted by jaysay

There's a bit of difference between the likes of Hitler Stalin Mussolini and Jimmy Savile, if Hitler had been a man and not topped himself he would have been executed for war crimes, Mussolini was strung up by his own people, Jimmy Savile was never charged with any crime what so ever, so I for one abhor people who are trying to drag his name through the mud when he's not around to defend himself and those people pushing these rumours have only done so now because they can't be sued for Libel and Slander, a mark of cowardice in itself

Your ignoring the facts as usual! Why is Jimmy Savile posing with a psycho only after 10 years in prison after what he did and what he put this country through with what he did! Why do you think that is right!

10 years and allowed to pose with celebrities it seems all wrong!

davemac · 09-04-2012, 21:18

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Your ignoring the facts as usual! Why is Jimmy Savile posing with a psycho only after 10 years in prison after what he did and what he put this country through with what he did! Why do you think that is right!

10 years and allowed to pose with celebrities it seems all wrong!

You cant ignore facts of misdemeanors if you don't provide any, what facts are you putting forward to support your implications.

You keep going back to the photo, but never mention Frank Bruno, he is also in the photo. What heinous crime has he committed, what about voluntary prison visitors, they mix with hardened criminals, what have they done against society.

You seem to be putting forward the argument that you can be guilty by association.

This is a very slippery slope, and it is something you have argued against in your" illegal drug" forum posts, and I have to say you took great exception to your "guilty by association" link against you.

thanks for the unsigned bad karma by the way

Neil · 09-04-2012, 23:28

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Originally Posted by davemac

You keep going back to the photo, but never mention Frank Bruno, he is also in the photo. What heinous crime has he committed, what about voluntary prison visitors, they mix with hardened criminals, what have they done against society.

I mentioned him, how can he shake the hand of a man who murdered 13 women, especially the way he did. The man should have been put down like a mad dog.

They are as bad as each other for having anything to do with him.

davemac · 10-04-2012, 06:34

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Originally Posted by Neil

I mentioned him, how can he shake the hand of a man who murdered 13 women, especially the way he did. The man should have been put down like a mad dog.

They are as bad as each other for having anything to do with him.

yes you did, without actually saying his name, but that is not the original purpose of the thread.

The allegation was that there has been a cover up with regard to Sir Jim, but no support for this claim has been put forward, only guilt by association.

This is a blunderbuss defense, throwing in everything and hoping something sticks, and as I stated previously some of the theories have moved into the barmpot section

jaysay · 10-04-2012, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Neil

I mentioned him, how can he shake the hand of a man who murdered 13 women, especially the way he did. The man should have been put down like a mad dog.

They are as bad as each other for having anything to do with him.

Well we all agree about putting the likes of Sutcliffe Brady etc down as you say, I'll settle for hanging myself, something we'll never see because of the hand wringing bleeding heart liberals in out society

jaysay · 10-04-2012, 08:40

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Your ignoring the facts as usual! Why is Jimmy Savile posing with a psycho only after 10 years in prison after what he did and what he put this country through with what he did! Why do you think that is right!

10 years and allowed to pose with celebrities it seems all wrong!

It seems all wrong that your still allowed to spout such dribble, day after day, now that is a crime

davemac · 10-04-2012, 11:11

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Originally Posted by jaysay

It seems all wrong that your still allowed to spout such dribble, day after day, now that is a crime

I agree, on top of that if he doesnt agree with what you write he sends bad karma. Now that is throwing his dummy out of the pram

odders · 10-04-2012, 16:26

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Originally Posted by davemac

I agree, on top of that if he doesnt agree with what you write he sends bad karma. Now that is throwing his dummy out of the pram

Don't worry giving karma when your in the red don't alter owt.

The guy is a troll, and only likes to get a reaction. How he has the audacity to call others a troll is beyond me. He abodes in the largest metropolis in this fair land, it is not like he hasn't got anything better to do, but spends his time trying to wind folk up on here.

TROLL