Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

The DLT incident was 19 years ago. It was a grope,not that it makes it ok but, Why didn't she complain at the time?

kerrrrrching

What is the Kerrching thing?
Are you suggesting she alleged the incident to gain financially?
If so then that is a bit low.
19 years ago or not it makes no difference.
These people who feel, that because of their celebrity status, they can get away with groping young girls need to be given the strong message that it is wrong.
It is almost as if you are saying that 19 years ago women were seen purely as sexual objects and it was something that came with the territory.

In 1966 I was working in a mill....I was 19 years old and newly married......one of the men I worked alongside thought it was just fine to cop a feel of my bum......I just happened to have a spanner in my hand and he copped a feel of my spanner right across his knuckles.

Needless to say he didn't come near my bum again and sported a very handsome purple bruise for a couple of weeks. I hope he explained it to his wife truthfully.

Not everyone reacts to such incidents in the same way...maybe she thought it was her fault...quite a few victims do......maybe she was too embarrassed to admit what he had done.

[Michael1954]

I've just seen Travis's statement outside court. What an arrogant man he is. He has escaped a prison sentence, but still tries to make out he is hard done by.

[Margaret Pilkington]

That is the real problem with this guy...it was his arrogance that got him into trouble and he has learned nothing....absolutely nothing.

[Barrie Yates]

So he squeezed her ass, how many of the posters on here did it many, many years ago - how many of us would be on the Sex Offenders Register now - and I could include a couple or so females in that group.
Yes things do stick in minds - the first time something happened somewhere quiet, on a number of occasions when the girl took the lead. Do chaps now start accusing girls of leading them astray?
Where is this all going to end, and how many should be judged in the light of the time that they occurred. I just feel that there has to be a line drawn somewhere

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

So he squeezed her ass, how many of the posters on here did it many, many years ago - how many of us would be on the Sex Offenders Register now - and I could include a couple or so females in that group.
Yes things do stick in minds - the first time something happened somewhere quiet, on a number of occasions when the girl took the lead. Do chaps now start accusing girls of leading them astray?
Where is this all going to end, and how many should be judged in the light of the time that they occurred. I just feel that there has to be a line drawn somewhere

A jury of 6 men and 6 women found him guilty Mr Yates. They had all the evidence in front of them and their life experiences will have been a component in their deliberations.

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

What is the Kerrching thing?
Are you suggesting she alleged the incident to gain financially?
If so then that is a bit low.
19 years ago or not it makes no difference.
These people who feel, that because of their celebrity status, they can get away with groping young girls need to be given the strong message that it is wrong.
It is almost as if you are saying that 19 years ago women were seen purely as sexual objects and it was something that came with the territory.

In 1966 I was working in a mill....I was 19 years old and newly married......one of the men I worked alongside thought it was just fine to cop a feel of my bum......I just happened to have a spanner in my hand and he copped a feel of my spanner right across his knuckles.

Needless to say he didn't come near my bum again and sported a very handsome purple bruise for a couple of weeks. I hope he explained it to his wife truthfully.

Not everyone reacts to such incidents in the same way...maybe she thought it was her fault...quite a few victims do......maybe she was too embarrassed to admit what he had done.

I think there's a difference between thinking it's acceptable behaviour, and thinking its a criminal offence worthy of losing your house and career over M.
He "goosed" someone, he didn't systematically rape kids like others in this thread.
I dare say a lot of men of a certain age group have goosed a woman at one time or another.It should have been dealt with at the time, a swift smack around the chops would have sufficed since she didn't have a spanner to hand.

I'm just unsure if being dragged through two court cases and losing your house in the process is proportional punishment for once groping someone's boobs etc.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, he as you say 'goosed' someone.
You say that as if it is acceptable behaviour.....as if it was acceptable back then, more than it is today.
It is never acceptable for a mant o foist unwanted attentions on a young woman.
I wonder what your reaction would be if this girl had been your daughter, or your wife.
Would you want such behaviour to be seen as acceptable?
And who is to say that this was not a preliminary to something more sinister.

As for him losing his house and his job......well everything we do has a price.....that is the price he has had to pay.

It has not taught him any humility....he is still an arrogant individual who seems to think he has done nothing wrong.

[MargaretR]

If his indecent assaults had been exposed at the time they occurred, he would not have been allowed to continue in the job which provided him with wealth. so his move to a much smaller home now is not really a loss - more like a restoration to how things should have been for quite a time.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

So he squeezed her ass, how many of the posters on here did it many, many years ago - how many of us would be on the Sex Offenders Register now - and I could include a couple or so females in that group.
Yes things do stick in minds - the first time something happened somewhere quiet, on a number of occasions when the girl took the lead. Do chaps now start accusing girls of leading them astray?
Where is this all going to end, and how many should be judged in the light of the time that they occurred. I just feel that there has to be a line drawn somewhere

It seems that as the years have gone by women have aspired to do the things that men have done through the ages.
Today girls go out and get into drinking competitions....are found in the gutter half senseless through drink and covered in vomit. What a picture that paints. It still doesn't mean that they should be taken advantage of.....does it?
Girls think that this is the way to have fun. In my book it isn't...but then I am not of this era.

I guess that it is most men's fantasy to be groped by some nubile young lady.....after all that would be a preliminary to getting above 'the laughing band'
Some may not be aware what that means, but I think you will know what I am talking about as it would be your era(and mine too).

Back then, I would have found it unacceptable to have any man touch me inappropriately(and I have given you an example of my reaction to such an event). It was no more acceptable then than it is now.....the difference in this situation was that this creep thought he could get away with it because he was a DJ on national TV and radio....he saw himself as being above being reported....that girls would be delighted to have his attention.
He was wrong then and is still wrong now.

[Accyexplorer]

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[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

A jury of 6 men and 6 women found him guilty Mr Yates. They had all the evidence in front of them and their life experiences will have been a component in their deliberations.

So what are you saying?
Do you have any idea of the ages of the jury members?
Do you know the actual composition of the jury?
Did you listen to the evidence?
Have you read a transcript of the proceedings?
How do you know what particular aspects of the evidence influenced their decision?

[putsinker]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

What is the Kerrching thing?
Are you suggesting she alleged the incident to gain financially?
If so then that is a bit low.
19 years ago or not it makes no difference.
These people who feel, that because of their celebrity status, they can get away with groping young girls need to be given the strong message that it is wrong.
It is almost as if you are saying that 19 years ago women were seen purely as sexual objects and it was something that came with the territory.

In 1966 I was working in a mill....I was 19 years old and newly married......one of the men I worked alongside thought it was just fine to cop a feel of my bum......I just happened to have a spanner in my hand and he copped a feel of my spanner right across his knuckles.

Needless to say he didn't come near my bum again and sported a very handsome purple bruise for a couple of weeks. I hope he explained it to his wife truthfully.

Not everyone reacts to such incidents in the same way...maybe she thought it was her fault...quite a few victims do......maybe she was too embarrassed to admit what he had done.

As an engineer, I ask, just out of interest, so I can get a proper picture,was it Whitworth or BSF.

[Accyexplorer]

The case was mainly based on hearsay which is pretty worrying for British justice.I can remember in my late teens and early twenties when I had a physique, women (particularly older women) touching me up at work for a laugh and it didn't leave me with mental issues .... I wonder how many of them have a large bank account....hmmm

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

So what are you saying?
Do you have any idea of the ages of the jury members?
Do you know the actual composition of the jury?
Did you listen to the evidence?
Have you read a transcript of the proceedings?
How do you know what particular aspects of the evidence influenced their decision?

1)What am I saying? A jury deliberated the pros and cons of the evidence and found him guilty.
2)No
3)Only the gender.
4)No
5)No
6)I don't.

google "jury of ones peers" for more info.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by putsinker

As an engineer, I ask, just out of interest, so I can get a proper picture,was it Whitworth or BSF.

It was Whitworth!