Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Who said I said it was right? I am saying it is probably much more common than people like to admit!

This was when I/we was about 12 - 13 and he was same age, though the sister may have been few years younger than he and from what you would see as respectable family - with about 6 other kids there watching and most of them laughing! God knows what he did to her in private?

I did not say or imply that you said it was right...if you looked you would see a question mark....I was asking a rhetorical question.
What I was saying in a roundabout way was, because it is common, should that mean it is an acceptable form of behaviour.......then I answered that it should not be acceptable for any reason.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Less

Are you saying you witnessed this?

Yep twice, something he did on a Saturday afternoon - but I wasnt one of his main gang so he probably did it a lot more on other occasions - weren't nice but lads laughed - this is a good reason we need sex education as things like this are more likely to happen if its a taboo subject and can't be discussed with the parents.

[Margaret Pilkington]

It depends what you mean by sex education.
Sex education is not a one size fits all thing......and sometimes it will stimulate a curiousity to try out the things which have been discussed.
I think it would be far better coming from parents(they are best able to respond to questions in an environment that is familiar and the child need not fear being ridiculed by peers)...and that children should be told about inappropriate touching of parts covered by a swimsuit.
Children should be educated to know to tell a parent if there has been any inappropriate contact by anyone......even if that someone is a teacher, a family friend or another family member.

[gpick24]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Yep twice, something he did on a Saturday afternoon - but I wasnt one of his main gang so he probably did it a lot more on other occasions - weren't nice but lads laughed - this is a good reason we need sex education as things like this are more likely to happen if its a taboo subject and can't be discussed with the parents.

If you witnessed this twice (can't understand why you'd be in this lads company a second time after witnessing it once) and never did anything about it, then you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by gpick24

If you witnessed this twice (can't understand why you'd be in this lads company a second time after witnessing it once) and never did anything about it, then you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Rubbish! You wouldn't have done anything about it anyway mate. It was really quick and you just don't think about it when you are that age - also how do you know what it was?

[Less]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Rubbish! You wouldn't have done anything about it anyway mate. It was really quick and you just don't think about it when you are that age - also how do you know what it was?

Really quick and yet forceful enough to make her cry?
You were there twice, only now after he dies do you mention it.
Please, don't tell us about anything else, she may still be alive and a member on here, does she need to be reminded of such times?

[gpick24]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

how do you know what it was?

Because you told us -

Originally Posted by kestrelx

he used to abuse his sister in front of his mates and make her cry

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Rubbish! You wouldn't have done anything about it anyway mate.

You don`t know what I or anyone else would have done, but we do know that you did nothing (except go back again for another look)

[Accyexplorer]

Cyril Smith child abuse inquiry 'scrapped after his arrest' - BBC News

So the police were (criminally) complicit....Not surprising news

[Margaret Pilkington]

They were complicit because they were involved....Politicians were involved....judges were probably involved too.
So how can there ever be justice for the victims and their families?
It is ok for politicians now to say that there will be zero tolerance....but how can this be when there is still so much distrust about transparency in the investigations.
How can the police be trusted to investigate themselves?

[Accyexplorer]

My trust in every single one of 'the Establishment' has been eroded through different experiences.Folk deemed 'high profile’ are usually handled by more senior as apposed to junior officers, thus confirming that there is one law for the powerful and another for the the rest of us.
Nothing will change unless there is genuine accountability for those scumbags who govern us....


...I won't hold my breath.

[Margaret Pilkington]

How can you have accountability when those who are supposed to be the law makers, the law enforcers and the judges are mired in this kind of sleaze(and that is just the polite word for it).
Those in these professions who are honest(and there are some)have no chance without the support of those who should be safeguarding us.
I thought the Magna Carta was supposed to tell us that 'no man is above the law'!
Well now it seems that if you are the law, then you can do anything you want without fear of consequences.

[accyman]

all polititions have to do is decide if they should face criminal proceedings or not

as shown in the expenses scandal they decided they shouldnt and the same will happen over pedophile and rape cases

MPs are immune if they decide they are immune to punishment

it has now become so accepted that MPs are crooked that they can flaunt their actions openly and still keep their positions in parliament

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by gpick24

Because you told us -




You don`t know what I or anyone else would have done, but we do know that you did nothing (except go back again for another look)

I didn't go back and have another look because that is not what happened - so don't make assumptions when you don't know the exact events!

You should be more worried about why Cyril Smith was let off for serious abuse allegations in 70's and the cover up of wide scale paedo accusations in our political system!

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Less

Really quick and yet forceful enough to make her cry?
You were there twice, only now after he dies do you mention it.
Please, don't tell us about anything else, she may still be alive and a member on here, does she need to be reminded of such times?

It may have been once or twice. But there was some other dodgy deed he did of a gay nature. It seemed to be about exhibitionism to his mates, like he was showing off - being clever!

The reason I brought this up is on context of this subject...

Again the point I was making that it's not only these people like Saville, Hall and Harris that have been doing this but everyday people who may live next door! But also that their friends did nothing about it so that indicates an acceptance like in 60's it was acceptable to wolf whistle and passing women now it's frowned on. Now that said I was not one of this lads close friends he had about 6 others who did nothing and were his close friends. The circumstance I was in was a Saturday afternoon - "Oh come to our house for a lemon juice!" and as about 8 kids are standing about - this activity starts up - just like someone kicking a football round. The point is he must have done it before amoungst his crowd of best mates. As I was not one of those I don't know how often he did it.

[Less]

Pathetic!