Drugs Live; the Ecstasy Trial. - Page 7

jaysay · 28-09-2012, 08:51

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Civilize or Civilise, according to the Oxford concise English dictionary gentlemen.

1. To raise from barbarism to an enlightened stage of development; bring out of a primitive or savage state.
2. To educate in matters of culture and refinement; make more polished or sophisticated.

And you pair are arguing the toss ???

I'm not arguing Dave, just that birdie said I'd spelt something wrong yet he'd spelt it just the same way, I always thought that using z in a lot of words is Americanisation, we tend to use s instead of z in a lot of things, across the pond Americanisation is spelt Americanization for example

jaysay · 28-09-2012, 10:01

Almost 2 million watched Drugs Live TV show that 'lends a dangerous air of acceptability to the drug' | Mail Online

It would appear I'm not the only one who thought is program was a load of tosh, and a very dangerous road to go down, portraying drugs like ecstasy as okay

Restless · 28-09-2012, 18:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Almost 2 million watched Drugs Live TV show that 'lends a dangerous air of acceptability to the drug' | Mail Online

It would appear I'm not the only one who thought is program was a load of tosh, and a very dangerous road to go down, portraying drugs like ecstasy as okay

did it portray ecstasy as OK ? I didn't watch it

jaysay · 28-09-2012, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Restless

did it portray ecstasy as OK ? I didn't watch it

Well obviously I didn't watch it Restless, but it sounds like they did

susie123 · 28-09-2012, 18:42

Answer to that is yes and no. Read my post 88.

susie123 · 29-09-2012, 16:28

Well it seems that drug use is falling, despite the DM's scaremongering about programmes like Channel 4's this week...

Illicit drugs appear to be 'going out of fashion' as figures reveal record decline in usage | This is Money

kestrelx · 29-09-2012, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Restless

did it portray ecstasy as OK ? I didn't watch it

I thought the theme music was a bit too "ravey", suggesting it was aimed at younger people. The music could have been more series.

It didn't portray it as OK really - there were a couple of Professionals who were adamant that it wasn't OK! Which is suppose is to conteract the 2 who throught it wasn't as harmful as we have been lead to believe. It covered all bases and gave an over view - positive and negative of the drug.

As I said it before, this drug hadn't played such a large part in the rave scene then I don't think we'd be even discussing it in this way.

Latest research is suggesting that tried and tested sleeping pills and tranquilisers may cause dementia!

Dementia risk from sleeping tablets: Pensioners on pills taken by 1.5m are 50% more likely to be hit, warns Harvard study | Mail Online

kestrelx · 29-09-2012, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Will not be watching, because I have a life and I cannot stand Keith Allen, who is up his own @@@@

I agree with you about Keith Allen (and did before you wrote it) however in the program he was very arrogant and claimed the drug didn't work for him as he'd done it so many times before over the years.

susie123 · 29-09-2012, 19:01

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

I agree with you about Keith Allen (and did before you wrote it) however in the program he was very arrogant and claimed the drug didn't work for him as he'd done it so many times before over the years.

Fortunately he was on screen for a very short time... No apparent celeb cult in this programme. Real people including a doctor/ex MP, a priest and the deputy editor of New Scientist, total participants 25.

Actually didn't notice the music as such, probably because I was already irritated by the frenetic tone of the programme, cutting here and there and leaping about the studio, probably as you say to appeal to a younger crowd.

kestrelx · 02-10-2012, 00:41

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Originally Posted by susie123

Fortunately he was on screen for a very short time... No apparent celeb cult in this programme. Real people including a doctor/ex MP, a priest and the deputy editor of New Scientist, total participants 25.

Actually didn't notice the music as such, probably because I was already irritated by the frenetic tone of the programme, cutting here and there and leaping about the studio, probably as you say to appeal to a younger crowd.

He was on for a short time but his opinion was scrutinised. The ex MP also seemed a bit stiff and resilliant to the drug as was the soldier.

Also there was a bit that informed us how MDMA is made and made it sound really simple. I found this page posted of instructions of how to make it and the chemicals and equipment needed.

Doctor Drool's MDMA Synthesis - [www.rhodium.ws]

No way would your average individual be able to achieve this. But the program suggested it was easy.

Also Snow seemed a bit doddery and at one point seemed to be shaking his head for no reason, perhaps he'd been slipped one?

susie123 · 02-10-2012, 09:06

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Also there was a bit that informed us how MDMA is made and made it sound really simple. I found this page posted of instructions of how to make it and the chemicals and equipment needed.

Doctor Drool's MDMA Synthesis - [www.rhodium.ws]

No way would your average individual be able to achieve this. But the program suggested it was easy.

Thanks for that Kes, made me quite nostalgic for the lab! Over forty years ago I got a PhD in organic chemistry but I'm not sure I'd want to attempt any of that at home. This bit from one of the linked documents made me laugh:

Gas began to come out of the dispersion tube, which I immersed in the toluene filtrate. Absolutely nothing had happened after several minutes and I was convinced I had totally f---ed up. Then a wisp here and there of white material started to appear, and within 30 seconds there were giant clouds of puffy MDMA HCl cascading out of solution. I nearly s--- my pants.

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Also Snow seemed a bit doddery and at one point seemed to be shaking his head for no reason, perhaps he'd been slipped one?

I noticed that he was not quite on the ball at one stage, I put it down to technical problems with the microphone or something, but you may be right!

kestrelx · 02-10-2012, 09:17

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Originally Posted by susie123

Thanks for that Kes, made me quite nostalgic for the lab! Over forty years ago I got a PhD in organic chemistry but I'm not sure I'd want to attempt any of that at home. This bit from one of the linked documents made me laugh:

Gas began to come out of the dispersion tube, which I immersed in the toluene filtrate. Absolutely nothing had happened after several minutes and I was convinced I had totally f---ed up. Then a wisp here and there of white material started to appear, and within 30 seconds there were giant clouds of puffy MDMA HCl cascading out of solution. I nearly s--- my pants.

I noticed that he was not quite on the ball at one stage, I put it down to technical problems with the microphone or something, but you may be right!

I studied a lot of articles about MDMA as research for a novel idea I have, but I wouldn't like to try making it, I don't think you can get the chemicals without attracting the attention of the Police unless you was working in the chemistry industry or a criminal.

But you Sue with a PhD in Organic Chemistry could probably turn your hand to it!

It is a fascinating subject.

This video features the guy who re-discovered MDMA and could be labelled as the man who is responsible for the whole thing?

P.S. some of the video was used in the TV program.

susie123 · 02-10-2012, 09:24

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

I studied a lot of articles about MDMA as research for a novel idea I have, but I wouldn't like to try making it, I don't think you can get the chemicals without attracting the attention of the Police unless you was working in the chemistry industry or a criminal.

But you Sue with a PhD in Organic Chemistry could probably turn your hand to it!

It is a fascinating subject.

Well I could do it - with a lot of trial and error but I'm not sure my kitchen (or I) would ever be the same again! Prefer cookery to chemstry these days. But I did understand the synthesis and the method, which is a good start.

kestrelx · 02-10-2012, 09:30

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Originally Posted by susie123

Well I could do it - with a lot of trial and error but I'm not sure my kitchen (or I) would ever be the same again! Prefer cookery to chemstry these days. But I did understand the synthesis and the method, which is a good start.

That's very good - but you wouldn't be able to get your hands on the key ingredient; safrole!

susie123 · 02-10-2012, 09:43

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

That's very good - but you wouldn't be able to get your hands on the key ingredient; safrole!

Yes you can buy the sassafras oil in tiny bottles containing about 4ml each but as you need about a pint it would look mighty suspicious if you tried to buy that many bottles!

So that knocks the whole thing on the head then...

pity, I was just about to start sourcing glassware!