The Appropriate Adult

[garinda]

Originally Posted by gynn

Is that a euphenism for something dirty?

The Vatican?

I sincerely hope it isn't.

Though you do hear such terrible things.

So I'm a little unsure now you've mentioned it.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by gynn

Is that a euphenism for something dirty?

Is your appropriate adult with you, whilst you post?

Hope so.

The world wide web can get very confusing for some.

Bless you.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by garinda

I think the programme's going to make the point, despite what's been published in recent books, that Rose wasn't an innocent victim, but an equal participant in these horrendous crimes.

Apparently they are to broach the subject that she was a victim of incest, carried out by her father, and grandfather.

Of course all victims of child abuse don't go on to be abusers themselves.

Though with her start in life you can begin to understand why she became so evil.

I firmly believe no one is born bad.

Circumstances allow evil to fester, and then grow.

Surely some are born evil? That there is something in their genes that will make them become evil. You state that all victims of abuse don't go on to be abusers themselves but the reason why could be genetic.

However as far as I understand all psychopaths have experienced some serious dysfunction in childhood, some form of prolonged mental emotional torment. Ed Gein (the character who inspired "Texas Chainsaw Masacre" and "Psycho" was regularly mentally humiliated by his religous fanatic mother who used to read the bible to him and call him a filthy sinner and so on) I think recently a report came out that children under the age of 6 should not be exposed to traumatic information as their brains can't handle it!

This drama was quite good, except the start when Fred (who hung himself in his cell - well done fred!) described cutting up his daughter they way he said it, maybe that is how he said it in reality, just seemed ridiculous they way he spoke like it was so matter of fact.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by garinda

Though perhaps some people are more susceptibale.

Rose West had siblings, presumably with a similar upbringing, who didn't go on to be serial killers.

Perhaps it's the effect of Fred West on her that created that environment in which they carried out their evil deeds. Perhaps some minor sexual fetish slowly grew into a much more evil one.

[flashy]

when is the second one on?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by flashy

when is the second one on?

Next Sunday.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Surely some are born evil? That there is something in their genes that will make them become evil. You state that all victims of abuse don't go on to be abusers themselves but the reason why could be genetic.

However as far as I understand all psychopaths have experienced some serious dysfunction in childhood, some form of prolonged mental emotional torment. Ed Gein (the character who inspired "Texas Chainsaw Masacre" and "Psycho" was regularly mentally humiliated by his religous fanatic mother who used to read the bible to him and call him a filthy sinner and so on) I think recently a report came out that children under the age of 6 should not be exposed to traumatic information as their brains can't handle it!

This drama was quite good, except the start when Fred (who hung himself in his cell - well done fred!) described cutting up his daughter they way he said it, maybe that is how he said it in reality, just seemed ridiculous they way he spoke like it was so matter of fact.

As I said earlier, I don't think any baby's born pre-programmed to be evil.

Again as posted earlier, I think Fred West talking about cutting up the daughter he'd just killed in such a matter of fact way, illustrated just how unhinged and evil a person he was.

[flashy]

Thanx

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

Mobertol needs to contact these people, to go up and fiddle about on her roof.

www.rodhullandemu/aerials.co.uk

Not harping back to "insertions" are we here Garinda - would be pretty deep in this case and a bit more than just a fiddle on my roof- he'd have to wash more than his hand too, undoubtedly...

Glad the film seems to have been a success -will look forward to seeing it- whenever....

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by garinda

As I said earlier, I don't think any baby's born pre-programmed to be evil.

Again as posted earlier, I think Fred West talking about cutting up the daughter he'd just killed in such a matter of fact way, illustrated just how unhinged and evil a person he was.

It's not about being pre-programmed to be evil. People who do violence to others and enjoy it do so, in many cases, because their brains don't produce the chemicals that normal people have that makes them see someone is suffering and try to help that person, or stop what they are doing to inflict that pain. Surely the cause of this is genetic and is genetically inherant!? If you don't have the chemicals in the brain it's nothing to do with choice, it's they way you were born.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

It's not about being pre-programmed to be evil. People who do violence to others and enjoy it do so, in many cases, because their brains don't produce the chemicals that normal people have that makes them see someone is suffering and try to help that person, or stop what they are doing to inflict that pain. Surely the cause of this is genetic and is genetically inherant!? If you don't have the chemicals in the brain it's nothing to do with choice, it's they way you were born.

Fear I keep repeating myself, but I don't think anyone's born evil.

I definitely come down on the nurture, rather than nature side of the argument.

If Rose West hadn't been sexually molested by both her her father and grandfather in a violent home, and had never met Fred West, would she still have become a sadistic serial killer?

I doubt it.

She had siblings, raised in a similar environment, who didn't become murderers. What made them different?

I don't know.

Everyone reacts differently to the environment and circumstances that surround them.

Some manage to survive. Others can't.

[garinda]

Would Germany have invaded Poland, and Britain entered into a World War, and my twenty two year old grandfather been killed in Normandy, if Adolf Hitler been accepted into art school in Austria, instead of repeatedly turned down?

Who knows?

Post Treaty of Versailles Germany was certainly in a devasted state. Ripe for social revolution, be it led by the left or the right, and was ready to be presented with a scapegoat to blame for their woes.

Was there no other person who could overthrow the established government in a coup? Was the socially retarded failed Austrian artist the only person who could make this happen? Was he born for this role?

Who knows?

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by garinda

Would Germany have invaded Poland, and Britain entered into a World War, and my twenty two year old grandfather been killed in Normandy, if Adolf Hitler been accepted into art school in Austria, instead of repeatedly turned down?

Who knows?

Post Treaty of Versailles Germany was certainly in a devasted state. Ripe for social revolution, be it led by the left or the right, and was ready to be presented with a scapegoat to blame for their woes.

Was there no other person who could overthrow the established government in a coup? Was the socially retarded failed Austrian artist the only person who could make this happen? Was he born for this role?

Who knows?

Mmm apparently Adolf Hitler was battered by his father as a child. Also at the end of 1st World War he could have gone back to art but decided not to and became a politcal agitator which was a spin off from his position in the army.

Tonight (Wednesday 7th) Horizon, BBC2 9pm - about scientists who believe there may be something in the genes that make people evil - watch it!

[flashy]

don't forget the second one is on tonight at 9

[kestrelx]

Fred West was vermin!

Fred West - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia