62 Abbey Street

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

Is there anywhere in Acc that Cashy has not worked?

From my knowledge of the Cashmeister (by his very own comments ), it's more a case of where he's been banned from or kicked out of than worked.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

Is there anywhere in Acc that Cashy has not worked?

Very few places Mr Dobson, was asked to name the firms i had worked for n dates, this was back in mid 70s, n fer National Insurance purposes, Took me approx 3 months to figure out, the total then came to 52 jobs, n i never included a few "cash in hand" places.

[Bob Dobson]

Originally Posted by cashman

Very few places Mr Dobson, was asked to name the firms i had worked for n dates, this was back in mid 70s, n fer National Insurance purposes, Took me approx 3 months to figure out, the total then came to 52 jobs, n i never included a few "cash in hand" places.

I suppose that's how you arrived at being Cashman. and beholden to nobody.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

Is there anywhere in Acc that Cashy has not worked?

I reckon the correct answer to this question is "everywhere"

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by susie123

Phil, here is a photo of that part of Abbey Street in 1907. The Black Horse is just to the left of the lamp post in the middle distance.. Going away from the town centre there are then your three buildings. The fourth one from the Warner Street corner appears to have a sign board over but I can't make it out. It's on what looks like a projecting porch.

I post this really just out of interest, not because it throws any light on our quest for a pub.

http://lanternimages.lancashire.gov....21&r=2&t=4&x=1

The facade of the Arden looks unchanged Susie.. and yes intriguingly looks like a pub sign on the left where Kemp & Smiths barbers was..

[katex]

Originally Posted by susie123

Also there are quoins (larger stones) between the hairdresser and the cafe, suggesting that the doctor and hairdresser were once one property, and the LH facade of the cafe juts out on to the pavement, again suggesting a different date for building from those further down the block.

Certainly on the 1890/1910 map it does show this property as one building :

Abbey.jpg

[Bob Dobson]

I have asked the library staff to research this. They can find no evidence of it having ben a pub. Shops too had cellars accessed from the street using pulleys/block & tackle. I have previously looked at the earliest directories and seen no pubs other than the well-known ones. When Abbey St was young,(say up to 1830) there were only half a dozen pubs in the town

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

The facade of the Arden looks unchanged Susie.. and yes intriguingly looks like a pub sign on the left where Kemp & Smiths barbers was..

Seem to recall Ribblesdale Coaches next door to Barbers?

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by cashman

Seem to recall Ribblesdale Coaches next door to Barbers?

Toffee shop young Mr c, think they were agents for Ribblesdale.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Toffee shop young Mr c, think they were agents for Ribblesdale.

I remember when that was a toffee shop, when rationing ended after the war, there were dozens of people jostling to get in the shop, not having much money I didn't bother, saw very little toffeee during the war except for Lythes off Gillie St, he would sell us kids 1d bags of bits that were left over from when he made mint humbugs. Other things were even scarcer oranges & banana's, only ever saw oranges around xmas time, ships during the war carried more important things than fruit.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Toffee shop young Mr c, think they were agents for Ribblesdale.

Aye that would be it, used to jump on coach yon fer away games mid 60s.

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

I have asked the library staff to research this. They can find no evidence of it having ben a pub. Shops too had cellars accessed from the street using pulleys/block & tackle. I have previously looked at the earliest directories and seen no pubs other than the well-known ones. When Abbey St was young,(say up to 1830) there were only half a dozen pubs in the town

More information...He believes the pub was built in 1827 and ceased being a pub around 1860ish. It was one of three pubs...the Warners, The Red Lion (not the Black Horse as I thought earlier) and this one. The houses around were built so the streets efectively connected the pubs. The address was originally 1 Warner st and 60 Abbey Street. The doctors surgery bought it from Babyland and as I said before the cellar had to be cleared and opened for the survey.
Gary said he watched some workmen empty the cellar and there were old beer barrels and beer pumps and other old pub paraphenalia down there and The owner of Babyland Ronnie Ormerod confirmed it used to be a pub and new the name of it but has flamin forgotten what it was.

Maybe the 1841 and 1851 censuses might throw more light on the matter. Could it have been an Ale house perhaps..were they sightly different to a pub maybe

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by cashman

Aye that would be it, used to jump on coach yon fer away games mid 60s.

In the early wee hours (no pun here Mr c) I was contemplating my navel and my mortality, along with Mr Aguero's great goal against that lot in Red skirts on Monday night*

I mused on was the shop next door to the toffee shop (the one that sticks out) not a tobacconists?

* Oh yes and Drogba's cheeky backheeled goal last night

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

In the early wee hours (no pun here Mr c) I was contemplating my navel and my mortality, along with Mr Aguero's great goal against that lot in Red skirts on Monday night*

I mused on was the shop next door to the toffee shop (the one that sticks out) not a tobacconists?

* Oh yes and Drogba's cheeky backheeled goal last night

Now i'm confused was the one that sticks out not the toffeee shop?

[DtheP47]

mmm ..I have a vague memory that you went up a step into the toffee shop?
They may have been combined? I can remember displays of pipes and smoking paraphenalia in the window of the sticky out shoppe I think