62 Abbey Street - Page 3

DtheP47 · 10-04-2013, 09:14

Linking this back to the Cabbages & Kings thread on Anything Goes...
My mate at Thwaites sent me this.
A number of Abbey Street pub names long forgotten that just could have been at #62 ?

cashman · 10-04-2013, 09:25

Thats n interesting pic DtheP

DtheP47 · 10-04-2013, 09:51

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Thats n interesting pic DtheP

My mate Denzil tells me the booklet is "An Accrington Mixture" edited by one Bob Dobson (1995)....no nooooo there can't be two Bobs can there?

cashman · 10-04-2013, 09:54

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My mate Denzil tells me the booklet is "An Accrington Mixture" edited by one Bob Dobson (1995)....no nooooo there can't be two Bobs can there?

No not to my knowledge, God wasn't that dumb.

anzac · 10-04-2013, 10:24

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More information...He believes the pub was built in 1827 and ceased being a pub around 1860ish. It was one of three pubs...the Warners, The Red Lion (not the Black Horse as I thought earlier) and this one. The houses around were built so the streets efectively connected the pubs. The address was originally 1 Warner st and 60 Abbey Street. The doctors surgery bought it from Babyland and as I said before the cellar had to be cleared and opened for the survey.
Gary said he watched some workmen empty the cellar and there were old beer barrels and beer pumps and other old pub paraphenalia down there and The owner of Babyland Ronnie Ormerod confirmed it used to be a pub and new the name of it but has flamin forgotten what it was.

Maybe the 1841 and 1851 censuses might throw more light on the matter. Could it have been an Ale house perhaps..were they sightly different to a pub maybe

I have checked the 1851 Census but no Street numbers were given in that or the 1841 survey. I have found the pages where Abbey Street and Warner Street join but no Pubs Or Alehouses just Hardware Dealers and Grocers.

Bob Dobson · 10-04-2013, 18:14

I remember that I got that list about 1994 from a police archive in the Lancashire Archives at Preston, but I have since discovered some mistakes (eg Pickup's Arms) in it. We do have a lot of information on our pubs, but there's a lot more work needed to bring us anywhere near 100% accuracy. I know what I want to do, -I just don't have the time.

Karateman · 10-04-2013, 21:11

Ah! well it looks like our "pub" name is going to elude us....unless we can find someone who used to drink in it........LOL
Anyone know Ronnie Ormerod who owned Babyland and apparently new the name of this "pub".

Retlaw · 10-04-2013, 22:41

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I have checked the 1851 Census but no Street numbers were given in that or the 1841 survey. I have found the pages where Abbey Street and Warner Street join but no Pubs Or Alehouses just Hardware Dealers and Grocers.

Just checked the 1861 census and 62 and 64 are Hardware dealers etc. I've been collecting the names of all the Pubs, Yards, Courts and Alleys for years, sarching thro census returns, & Licence renuals, bur never found any thing relating to 62 Abbey St, what I would like to know is why the jump from 58 Black Horse to number 62, wheres 60.

DtheP47 · 11-04-2013, 05:13

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Originally Posted by Karateman

Ah! well it looks like our "pub" name is going to elude us....unless we can find someone who used to drink in it........LOL
Anyone know Ronnie Ormerod who owned Babyland and apparently new the name of this "pub".

Ronnie Ormerod from Ossy? would he be 65ish?

katex · 11-04-2013, 11:10

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what I would like to know is why the jump from 58 Black Horse to number 62, wheres 60.

Just sorta' wondered like, if nobody was actually in residence at the time (or premises empty), would it be left off the census ?

In 1849, it was split into two:

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DtheP47 · 11-04-2013, 12:00

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Ah! well it looks like our "pub" name is going to elude us....unless we can find someone who used to drink in it".

I know the Arden was formerly the Flying Dutchman but the locations of the Lark Inn, Curriers Arms and Weavers Arms may help by a process of elimination?

Retlaw · 11-04-2013, 14:02

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Just sorta' wondered like, if nobody was actually in residence at the time (or premises empty), would it be left off the census ?

In 1849, it was split into two:

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No when you compare census returns 41/51/61/71/81/91, there is evidence of a No. 60.

Retlaw · 11-04-2013, 14:04

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I know the Arden was formerly the Flying Dutchman but the locations of the Lark Inn, Curriers Arms and Weavers Arms may help by a process of elimination?

Thoae 3 pubs were no where near Warner St.

katex · 11-04-2013, 14:16

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No when you compare census returns 41/51/61/71/81/91, there is evidence of a No. 60.

What I was trying to say is that a census records people and where they were living, not properties... is this correct ? Wondered if it were a shop premise, but the proprietor lived elsewhere.

Retlaw · 11-04-2013, 15:17

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What I was trying to say is that a census records people and where they were living, not properties... is this correct ? Wondered if it were a shop premise, but the proprietor lived elsewhere.

I've Several entries in census returns where its says empty or unoccupied. Also the early Burgess Rolls do not list a No. 60.