Come again ? or what does that mean !

[steeljack]

I have a small book of poems in Lancashire dialect by a chap called John Sparth , Harcourt Rd. Accrington. called "Both Blood and Sheen " printed by F Dalton, 34 Bank st. Accrington, published by Wardleworths Bookshop, Blackburn Rd.

not sure about the rights and wrongs of scanning it and posting on here , maybe one the moderators can let me know . Thx.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by steeljack

not sure about the rights and wrongs of scanning it and posting on here , maybe one the moderators can let me know . Thx.

It will be copyright so we can't have it on sorry.

[DaveinGermany]

Not really sure if as SJ says there are variations & they're still used maybe multi entries, but I'd say for ease the most used.

English Lanky
How are you feeling Eharti fettlin

raised Brout up / Browt up/ fotched up

What are you Wodti

just an idea, you could also if you felt like it add the town/region along with the word/phrase.

[sm_counsell]

I have never forgotten my Gran (pure Irish descent!) who lived in Clayton saying one day when talking about soemone who had died,
" They fun im yon petty doer"
Anyone feel like 'translating'??

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

it is going to happen as there are lots of versions of the dialect...depending on where you were 'browt up'.

Don't you mean fotcht up Margaret

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by sm_counsell

I have never forgotten my Gran (pure Irish descent!) who lived in Clayton saying one day when talking about soemone who had died,
" They fun im yon petty doer"
Anyone feel like 'translating'??

Think she could have meant "they found him behind the toilet door" but god knows

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Don't you mean fotcht up Margaret

Yes, John, I think I put that as an alternative in another post.......and as for your translation....I think you are spot on with it.

[sm_counsell]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Think she could have meant "they found him behind the toilet door" but god knows

You're right Jaysay, that's exactly what it means!

[sm_counsell]

Just found this in a book about Ossie:

[sm_counsell]

Sorry, sent off before I finished.
This is what I found.

"Of all the matches played for years,
This fairly put the tin hat on:
Aw'msure those fooak fra Accrington
will feel reet deawn an'sat on.
For every mon sent deawn to bat,
An thowt thad ball he'd thump,
Seemed to come wi'th toothwarch
Then Winyard drew his stumps.

Win-yerd 'em talk on th' cricket game
Us lads as comes from Church,
But we allus find a good un to,
To fotch em off their perch"

Sister Mary Catherine(Paddock House) used to tap us on the head with a long ruler, if she heard even just a hint of ossie dialect, so unfortunately I'm losing out.
I suggest Cashman does some on-line lessons.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

"Osti fekklin" What is that all about ? NEEEEEIL !!! When can you start that phrase book mate ????

As Retlaw said, it means 'How are you?'.

fettle - definition of fettle by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

It was widely used around here because most mills employed fettlers, whose job was to maintain machinery in good working order.

[DaveinGermany]

Aye, Aye, Welcome back the Rindster !!

[garinda]

Another word which produced blank stares, when I told people in London to stop doing it, was mithering.

mither - definition of mither by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

Another word which produced blank stares, when I told people in London to stop doing it, was mithering.

mither - definition of mither by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

We know a song about that.
from a local group The Fall (I reckon they must have been from Sabden or some low life gaff like Huncoat)

The Fall : C'n'c-s Mithering Lyrics

You think you've got it bad with thin ties,
miserable songs synthesized, or circles with A in the middle.
Make joke records, hang out with Gary Bushell,
Join round table. "I like your single yer great!"
A circle of low IQ's.
there are three rules of audience.
my journalist acquaintances, go soft, go places,
so stop mithering
They say "See yer mate..Yeh...see yer mate"
To their mothers they sing
stop mithering
He's not your enemy.
He's not your enemy, his name is not Harry.
The secret of Cash and Carry.
so stop mithering

makes alot of sense when you think about it

[Mancie]

Ok after loads of requests here are the full lyrics of The Fall- Mithering..

Three days
Three months
Three days
Three months
A treatise
A treatise
To explain these
First was cash 'n' carry house dance
In Lancashire they're A
In King Nat Ltd. empire
Kwik Save is there
The scene started here
Then was America
Then was America
We went there
Big A&M Herb was there**
His offices had fresh air
But his rota was mediocre
US purge, rock 'n' pop filth
Their material's filched
And the secret of their lives
Is...
All the English groups
Act like peasants with free milk
On a route
On a route to the loot
To candy mountain
Five wacky English proletariat idiots
Californians always think of sex
Or think of death
Five hundred girl deaths
A Mexico revenge, it's stolen land
They really get it off on
"Don't hurt me please"
Rapist fill the TVs
And the secret of their lives
Is S.E.X..
I have dreams, I can see
Carloads of negro Nazis
Like Faust with beards
Hydrochloric shaved weirds
[Applause from audience at Cyprus Tavern ]
This was going to be called crap rap fourteen,
but it's now Stop Mithering.
The things that drain you off and drive you off the hinge.
Boils, dirty socks, the ceilings collapse.
The Sunday morning loud lawn mower,
the upstairs Jewish girl damn hoovering, with valium cig
withdrawal.
She wants communal, fluent flat household.
I want privacy.
The bastard dentist doctors surgery,
Clip, clop, ring, knock, ring
Stop mithering***
The estates stick up like stacks
The estates stick up like stacks
The residents keep wild dogs
And on that father's bedroom closet top,
electric blanket boxes
Surplus jonnies, demob pictures
To their children they sing
Stop mithering
You think you've got it bad with thin ties,
miserable songs synthesized, or circles with A in the middle.
Make joke records, hang out with Gary Bushell,
Join round table. "I like your single yer great!"
A circle of low IQ's.
There are three rules of audience.
My journalist acquaintances, go soft, go places,
on record company expenses.
I lose humor, manners become bog writers, don't know it.
The smart hedonists, same as last verse, allusions with
H in electronics, on stage false histrionics,
Corpse mauling dicks, pose to a good film, him, him
Stop mithering
I'm not joining conventional rock band.
The conventional is experimental, the conventional is now
experimental,
And is no way noble, and I'm no chock stock thing.
So stop mithering.
Engineers save up for cars.
I try to let down their tyres with matches to make them molten.
Ouch! Ouch!
They say I rip off Johnny Rotten
They always strike for more pay.
They say "See yer mate..Yeh...see yer mate"
To their mothers they sing
Stop mithering
Even the drowned penile tissue test.
He hangs out for sex.
He enters magazine contest.
White tan horror in the mirror.
Spotty exterior hides a spotty interior.
He's not your enemy.
He's not your enemy, his name is not Harry.
The secret of Cash and Carry.
[* MES writes this about C'n'C in the Lough Press book:
"C'N'C Stop Mithering contains references to i.e. free adverts
for Kwik Save and King Nat Ltd, an area of cash and carry
warehouses near Manchester town centre--see we advertise free
for these, so don't try the anti-commercial crap bit on us,
sonny boy. It's post-Hollywood, a place described by actor
Robert Donat as one big Ideal Home Exhibition."]
[** "Big A&M Herb" is a reference to Herb Albert. ed.]
[*** "Mithering" is northern British slang for whining. ed.]