did orwell have a point ?

[churchfcrules]

because of the posts in another thread, it got me thinking, at what price would we surrender our liberty?
to elaborate a little further, if a government said they were about to introduce measures that would irradicate most crime but with a considerable loss of civil liberty, would you accept it ?

i am not talking about the issue that we have at the moment with id cards, but things that reach much further,ie tracking devices on everyone, cameras in your own home, abolition of cash, real extreme stuff, but a gaurantee that most "serious crime" would be gone from our lives
what would you do

[Less]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

because of the posts in another thread, it got me thinking, at what price would we surrender our liberty?
to elaborate a little further, if a government said they were about to introduce measures that would irradicate most crime but with a considerable loss of civil liberty, would you accept it ?

i am not talking about the issue that we have at the moment with id cards, but things that reach much further,ie tracking devices on everyone, cameras in your own home, abolition of cash, real extreme stuff, but a gaurantee that most "serious crime" would be gone from our lives
what would you do

Orwell had a lot of points he spent most of the thirties trying to live and explain to his own social class the problems of the so called 'working class'. the points he was trying to make, no doubt are the reason why he ended up dying from T.B. instead of living to a 'grand old age' like most of the middle class.

[churchfcrules]

the title of the thread wasnt really what i was trying to discuss, it was more of a teaser question regarding 1984 and the manipulation of the masses

[Less]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

the title of the thread wasnt really what i was trying to discuss, it was more of a teaser question regarding 1984 and the manipulation of the masses

Then start your threads as you mean to go on, with a correct title! banker

[churchfcrules]

so sorry that i credited the users of this forum with the abillity to read posts, rather than see a title and post just for the sake of posting!!!!!!

as far the insulting someone straight off may i suggest beta blockers, i have heard they work wonders for jumped up half wits as yourself

[Less]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

so sorry that i credited the users of this forum with the abillity to read posts, rather than see a title and post just for the sake of posting!!!!!!

as far the insulting someone straight off may i suggest beta blockers, i have heard they work wonders for jumped up half wits as yourself

Oh for goodness sake you admitted you titled it wrong now your blaming me for your own mistakes, please attempt a reasonable thread before you get upset with others!

[churchfcrules]

Originally Posted by Less

Oh for goodness sake you admitted you titled it wrong now your blaming me for your own mistakes, please attempt a reasonable thread before you get upset with others!

1) where did i admit i titled it wrong, i explained my use of the title, not an admission of using an incorrect one
2)upset with others?, i took exception to your use of the term banker, wich you obviously didnt intend as a referance to my profession, i presume it was more concerned with my pastimes?, i felt it uncalled for
3)i havent ever read any rules on this forum that state the title must describe exactly what you wish to discuss
4)thanks for totally hijacking the thread and turning it into an detracted arguement about the titles of threads

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

because of the posts in another thread, it got me thinking, at what price would we surrender our liberty?
to elaborate a little further, if a government said they were about to introduce measures that would irradicate most crime but with a considerable loss of civil liberty, would you accept it ?

i am not talking about the issue that we have at the moment with id cards, but things that reach much further,ie tracking devices on everyone, cameras in your own home, abolition of cash, real extreme stuff, but a gaurantee that most "serious crime" would be gone from our lives
what would you do

It depends on the amount of liberty you would lose. E.G. phone tapping, cctv, monitoring of web searches do not affect your lifestyle, and are currently used
A) As a deterrent
B) As a method to catch criminals,

We know these are used and in general do not affect liberty per se. However searching of blogs, diaries, thoughts, etc are out of order without just cause.

All laws impinge on liberty by their very nature, however what liberty is prohibited is up for question. The liberty to commit murder is obviously repugnant and therefore banned.
However the liberty to say what one thinks and believes is a freedom that should never be curtailed.

Therfore I cannot answer the poll.

[garinda]

I might be taken away at any minute if the Thought Police work out what I'm thinking right now.

[churchfcrules]

Originally Posted by Stanaccy

However the liberty to say what one thinks and believes is a freedom that should never be curtailed.
.

to some degree we have lost that anyway have we not, in todays society we are not allowed to use sexist or racist language, in the days of politcal correctness, people with these views have lost the right to express them, i think we only have a liberty of freedom of speech if the majority agrees
on our opinions

[churchfcrules]

Originally Posted by garinda

I might be taken away at any minute if the Thought Police work out what I'm thinking right now.

the boys are on their way round lol

[cashman]

i,m unsure, many have died for our liberty, erradicating crime is great in principle,but very unsure at what costi personally think as a starting point DNA samples at birth would go a fair way towards solving crimes n that i would go for.

[garinda]

In reality you've got to create a balance between respecting civil liberties, and the need for secure law and order.

I've no problem with the amount of CCTV we currently have, or the much anticipated i-d cards, if they ever materialise.

I'm always amazed when there's talk of Big Brother. If we were all to have our every move monitored, and phone calls recorded etc, who on earth is going to listen and watch it all, and who will be watching and listening to them?

[darwendosser]

Originally Posted by cashman

i,m unsure, many have died for our liberty, erradicating crime is great in principle,but very unsure at what costi personally think as a starting point DNA samples at birth would go a fair way towards solving crimes n that i would go for.

hitler/ reborn

[cashman]

Originally Posted by darwendosser

hitler/ reborn

sod off ya ugly git he was me uncle.pmsl