having s*x with a drunk chick...

mani · 18-09-2006, 04:54

just sommet i seen on tv and a question came into my head

if u have sex with a drunk chick who's in a worse state - is it rape or is it indecent assault?

cause in theory she didnt object but wasnt able to consent to it either...

no no calm down i'm not in trouble and nor have i done the above...

WillowTheWhisp · 18-09-2006, 06:36

My personal opinion is that it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other if both are drunk but no doubt in the eyes of the law it's rape.

Kisser · 18-09-2006, 08:19

What about a girl having sex with a drunk fella - will she get done for rape?!

katex · 18-09-2006, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Kisser

What about a girl having sex with a drunk fella - will she get done for rape?!

Doubt it Kisser, in my experience, drunken fellas can't perform that well

Neil · 18-09-2006, 08:37

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Originally Posted by katex

Doubt it Kisser, in my experience, drunken fellas can't perform that well

Thats a catch 22, sometimes you need to be drunk

katex · 18-09-2006, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Neil

Thats a catch 22, sometimes you need to be drunk

Well, ya' learn something everyday .. always thought that was the woman's line .. but can see your predicament there Neil ..

Back to the thread ... yes, if a woman/man is completely comatosed and not in a state to consent or otherwise, I would consider this rape. Have been lots of successful prosecutios on this situation in the past.

Trouble is, lots of women probably don't report, it as would blame themselves for getting in such a vulnerable position anyway, and would be open to criticism... specially from other women, may I add.

Neil · 18-09-2006, 09:45

Consent is usually the sticky point. What is consent? When you pick a bloke up for a s**g Kate ( theoretical question

) does he always say "do you consent to me having intercourse with you Kate?". Even if he does and you say yes, where is the proof that you said yes if you change your mind later?
I am glad I am married so don't do the picking up women/being picked up thing anymore, it's getting far too dangerous.

katex · 18-09-2006, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Neil

Consent is usually the sticky point. What is consent? When you pick a bloke up for a s**g Kate ( theoretical question

) does he always say "do you consent to me having intercourse with you Kate?". Even if he does and you say yes, where is the proof that you said yes if you change your mind later?
I am glad I am married so don't do the picking up women/being picked up thing anymore, it's getting far too dangerous.

No, of course not Neil .. it just sorta' happens doesn't it and you don't say 'Stop'. If you do and they persist, then that's rape. Ok, very, very drunk lady doesn't say 'owt, but blokes do know the difference as not much response physically like .. usually cases are brought as mentioned before when victim is completely out of it.

All very difficult this rape thing though, usually one word against the other.

Neil · 18-09-2006, 10:13

I thought the law said you have to consent not say no. It's a different thing isn't it?

Mick · 18-09-2006, 10:21

Have a look at this link and at the summary at the bottom note (E) and (F)
http://www.sw5.info/rape.htm

Mick · 18-09-2006, 10:24

Here is a link about the law of consent
http://society.guardian.co.uk/crimea...820693,00.html

Neil · 18-09-2006, 10:27

Thats just as confusing Mick. What is the definition of drunk? How can you decide if someone has drunk too much and is classed as drunk so having sex with her will be classed as rape.

How will Chav ever find a girl who wants him to touch her that is stone cold sober?

katex · 18-09-2006, 11:05

Well, a very difficult thing to prove isn't it ? Wouldn't like to be the judge on this one and I do feel sorry for the blokes sometimes. The cases that are successful are usually where someone has helped them home in the guise of friendship and then sexually assaulted them.

As I am off on me trolls now, sorry that I will miss what our other 'esteemed lady members' have to say on the subject when they log on.

Promise I won't pinch any Spanish waiter's bum over my dinner whilst imbibing that bottle of wine at my side ...

mani · 19-09-2006, 01:16

ok supposing u agree to go to do a guy then get drunk as ur in no state to make decisions - during this drunk time u say no - does that count as a decision?

surely if a yes when ur drunk may not count then a no may not count either?

chav1 · 19-09-2006, 02:43

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Originally Posted by Neil

How will Chav ever find a girl who wants him to touch her that is stone cold sober?

i could take a leaf out of your book and try Rohypnol , poor romps woke up and found her self married to you

anyway didnt we all have this discussion a few weeks ago already ?

NO means no

unless of course you paid up front where its either sex or a refund